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The Mark of Gideon edit

Your move of the page number is fine. But I used four dots in the ellipsis because it spanned sentences. Separately, I italicize the quotation marks as well as the quotation so that the marks will hug the text. If they are not italic, they stand apart from the text and are asymmetrical. Spike-from-NH 04:27, January 4, 2012 (UTC)

MA's style on quotes is to put the italics inside the double quotes. It's a style choice carried out on 30k+ pages. Please use that style instead. In terms of the ellipsis, if you are editing out words, the proper style is "word" "space" "ellipsis" "space" "word" such as "start ... finish". Thus the changes. -- sulfur 11:55, January 4, 2012 (UTC)


The block was made by Sulfur.

   Reason given: This username or IP address is prevented from editing across the entire Wikia network due to vandalism or other disruption. 

If you believe this is in error, please contact Wikia. The blocker also gave this additional reason: spam.

   Start of block: 15:22, December 29, 2011
   Expiry of block: 15:22, March 29, 2012
   Intended blockee:
   Block ID: #26455
   Current IP address:

I'm unsure of why I've been blocked,I've only posted on my wiki, maybe Its my non-static ip... User page:

Thanks 07:28, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

That's a dynamic IP assigned by your provider. You'll need to restart your cable modem or DSL box to get a new one. -- sulfur 11:52, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
Not sure why Wikia-wide blocks are discussed here instead of community.wikia - but I see there's a difference between the "intended blockee" IP and the "current" IP - and the actual IP of user is yet another one. Could be some stupid cache server again, where block warnings are sometimes cached and served to other logged-out users whether appropriate or not. Solution in that case: force reload, or log in. -- Cid Highwind 12:05, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
It's because my name is on it and people come here rather than asking elsewhere. *shrug* -- sulfur 12:17, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

It disappeared for some time, but It's come back, I tried what you suggested again Cid, but It doesn't seem to work :\. -- 14:27, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

It's the same block. It's not going away. The same thing applies. Look, you've got a different IP now, so work with that. -- sulfur 14:29, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
It seems to be linked with my username, cause until I log in I've got no problem. I also tried getting unblocked, but that didn't work either :\.-- 14:32, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Image policy discussion

As you suggested discussing it in more detail, it would be great if you joined Memory Alpha talk:Image use policy#Policy clarification regarding "fanmade" images. Thanks. -- Cid Highwind 12:18, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

Accusations against me

There are severe accusations against me floating around, and I want them settled: [1], [2].

Is it correct that I'm "wikilawyering", a "charlatan", a "snake oil salesman", abusing the system, "repugnant in the extreme" or in all those other ways a bad person (you name it, I've been called it)? Then please do your job, warn me about it, and tell me how to behave properly about it from now on.

Or, if that is not the case, is Archduk way out of his way insulting me in all those ways just because some discussion doesn't work out as he wants it to be - basically trying to bully his way through it? I believe that to be the case - and, at least, some people agree with me in my interpretation of what policies actually state and don't state. So, if this is the case, then please do your job and warn him and tell him how to behave properly from now on.

Or do it with both of us - or state that you don't care and want us to continue that debacle - I don't care, do what you think is the correct way from here. I really just want to know where I stand in this shit. -- Cid Highwind 14:35, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


Do you know what we have to do to get the category box in the editor disabled as the default? - Archduk3 21:57, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure that we can anymore. But I will inquire. -- sulfur 22:36, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Let me know how that shakes out. - Archduk3 15:43, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


{{Corresponding original}}, {{Corresponding remastered}}, and {{Remastered image}} all need to be updated. You seemed to have an idea about this, at least for the remastered images template, so I'd like to know what you had in mind before I make any changes to them, and most likely request a bot run for the corresponding ones. - Archduk3 00:10, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Let me take a look at things -- I've been a bit ill the last few days, but I'll take a peek again at what I was thinking about before. -- sulfur 00:15, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Cool, no rush, we got at least a week for most of it. I was just going to stick a switch call at {{{1}}} for them, but I figured you might know some way to use the citation or something. Also, hope you're feeling better soon. :) - Archduk3 00:25, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Future's End discussion

I'm not sure why you posted a warning to not continue the discussion, as I had already said that "I'm not going to further debate semantics" and was done with it. --31dot 17:47, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

I agree. The matter has been settled. --Defiant 17:55, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
That was said last time this inane argument came up. It's a stupid argument and shouldn't happen again. So, for future reference, the answer should be always simple. Did a production person mention it? No? Then it's not a reference. -- sulfur 17:56, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
If that's your understanding, I suggest you find a dictionary, sulfur. Just like 31dot, I'm no longer willing to be drawn into this discussion. --Defiant 18:07, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
Then don't respond. For MA's purposes, it is not a reference. -- sulfur 18:08, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)That's the point I put forth and I further stated that I had finished. If you're saying that I shouldn't have made that point, then I respectfully disagree, as I initially interpreted Defiant as saying he had disagreed with that. I respect your views and have no wish to extensively discuss this- but I don't see what I did wrong.--31dot 18:08, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sulfur, I can't make any sense out of the first sentence in your last post. If your understanding of the word "reference" is what you described it as in your first post here, I suggest you find a dictionary – end of. Please don't try to backchat me and be so rude just because you believe you're in the right. Saying outright that "it's not a reference" and then repeating that with the qualifier "for MA's purposes" just makes it clear you don't have an overall clear understanding of this discussion. I've agreed with the latter, but I will never agree with such an incorrect statement as the former. --Defiant 18:29, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
If you and/or others want to continue deciding to deviate away from the norms of the English language, that's generally fine with me, but these differences and their specifics should still be noted in the policy pages, where we currently have abbreviations like "cm", etc. However, I would strongly recommend not doing such a thing with "reference" (even though this is the only way I will accept your suggested usage for it), due to the extreme risk that your proposed altered definition for that word may end up confusing newbies and/or users who are not entirely educated about the term. --Defiant 19:01, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
Once again, you've totally missed the point. We're not deviating from the English language. The English language states that a reference is something that alludes to something else. In the case of MA and Star Trek, if a production person doesn't say that they meant to do that, then we do not consider it a "reference" worth noting. Keep it simple. There is no confusion that way. -- sulfur 19:09, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
No, once again, you miss the point. I'm getting tired of stating it, but if your understanding of the word "reference" is still what you've suggested it is, go find a dictionary. Don't keep saying the same thing without backing it up. --Defiant 20:16, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
I did.
The action of mentioning or alluding to something
Again, everything is a reference according to that description and your apparent view of things. So, here on Memory Alpha, this is our approach to what we will list as a "reference":
If a production person doesn't say that they meant to do that, then we do not consider it a "reference" worth noting.
It's simple really. -- sulfur 21:16, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
Fine, I'm happy with that. Although, once again, you're unwittingly demonstrating your extreme ignorance about the discussion. But okay, whatever. --Defiant 21:24, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Spam issue

Moved to VSTF wiki

VSTF Wiki Criterion

What is the criterion that allows you to edit VSTF Wiki? --IanPlaystationNerd 16:34, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Be email verified. -- sulfur 16:58, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of disputed images

Sulfur, I'm asking you as a neutral admin to deal with this: diff. As you can see, Archduk3 removed this discussion - although he was involved in the discussion and as such should not resolve it - although there wasn't even a consensus for deletion - although he himself claims that images without proper citation (of which there's one in the image history) mustn't be deleted but instead be added to some category - and without archiving the discussion anywhere. He also removed other traces of the discussion we had, including existing usages of these images: [3], File Talk:Map alpha quadrant.jpg. All of that is very much out of line for an admin, so I feel it is necessary to get involved. I will also cross-post this to 31dot. If you don't care about getting involved, let me know soon. -- Cid Highwind 19:44, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

These images were deleted because they were unused in their original intent, and never were going to be. If Cid wanted them kept around indefinitely, because his ego needs stroking, them maybe he shouldn't have sulked away in the middle of a policy discussion. A month is more than enough time to close something around here, and if Cid can't be bothered to show up in that time and finish the conversation, then maybe he shouldn't be contributing here anymore. God knows this place will get along fine without his bullshit and insistent, unconstructive complaining.
By the way Cid, this isn't my talk page, and I don't see any need to re-post this on 31dot's or yours, but if you have a problem with me, the "guideline" (since incomplete and non-enacted ones now seem to count) says you should have come to me first, where I would have explained why you're wrong and acting like a child right now. You yourself said you were fine with them being deleted, but I guess you're just a liar. This was all just a ego fueled power play anyway, so why start acting like the authority figure you're suppose to be now, right? - Archduk3 20:15, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Sulfur, AD has now misused his admin powers by immediately deleting an image that I tried to temporarily restore for discussion purposes (something we have done time and again without anyone raising a brow). If I could have finished that, it would have shown how erratic his "opinion" about that whole stuff really is: there are images in the history of the now-deleted images that AD does not want to allow being deleted in other cases, as can be read here. Again, deal with that, please - and not just by a single comment because that worked out so well last time. I will be off for the night, and check back tomorrow. -- Cid Highwind 20:34, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Cid has misused his admin powers by attempting to restore an image directly after it was deleted because it was unused, which was a reason mentioned in the IfD discussion where Cid participated, so he shouldn't have been the one to restore the image anyway because this is all a giant pissing contest because he's a giant dick. If not archiving a discussion from a location where discussions aren't archived is part of the reasoning for Cid wanting "something done" about me, then who here is the irrational one? I won't pussy foot around my "requests" either like he will, so here's it flat out: Sulfur, Cid should be blocked if he continues acting like this. You're free to make any decision you want of course, I'm not going to try and strong arm you into one, like some people. - Archduk3 20:50, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sure Sulfur would agree that further discussion about the deletion of the images/discussion should take place elsewhere. I have blocked AD for his name calling above and I will do so for anyone who makes similar comments. --31dot 21:07, February 15, 2012 (UTC)


Please be aware my ProfessorTrek account has been hijacked and the password changed and I therefore no longer have the use of it. Could you please make a broadcast announcement that any posts are not me, or could you help me regain my account. Thanks

-- 20:43, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

So since you and Cid are the only admins over at the answers wiki, can you maybe to do something about ProfessorTrek over there? I would think 31dot wouldn't appreciate it very much, though I myself enjoy how our usernames are broken down into their component parts in these little diatribes. While we're at it, why are you two the only admins, shouldn't the bureaucrats at MB have been included as well? - Archduk3 05:55, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
I appreciate it in that it gave me a good laugh, watching someone justify their bad behavior by trying to accuse others of the same.
This is actually the first I've heard of the Answers site. Seems like a good idea.--31dot 11:14, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

MAlf must die (or be given a guardian), for the good of Memory Alpha

Please see the discussion at the Memory Alfa forum. --GNDN 19:18, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Gallery options

I'm seeing zero change in the galleries, with or without the extra formatting. Doesn't matter what skin I'm using either. Is that a problem on just my end, or is wikia just inserting all that extra crap when you use the edit a gallery button? - Archduk3 23:53, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Mostly Wikia's gallery tool. It also drops the "File:" bit on new images. -- sulfur 00:04, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, sounds like we got a "feature" on our hands. - Archduk3 00:27, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

That's why it's disabled in the concealer. Get Aatrek to start using that. Please. Then I won't have to fix every gallery edit he makes :) -- sulfur 00:35, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
I heard my name. I'll start doing manual gallery additions/edits going forward! Aatrek 00:39, March 14, 2012 (UTC)


Would you mind telling me what you are refering to please, the only thing i see you might be talking about is my personal page other than that i don't recall linking any episodes or films ? Thank you.--Captain riggs 13:46, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's what he's talking about. Episodes are linked to this way: {{e|episodenamehere}}.--31dot 13:52, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Linking to Disambiguations

I'm somewhat confused as to why you reversed my edit on the documentation page of the USS template, as the text does link to a disambiguation page. I had merely edited the link so it copied the written out, non-wikified example, as the "disambiguation" tag lead to a page that was redirected. Should the example be edited to say "disambiguation"? --Terran Officer 00:27, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Arguably, yes. Of course, the example text needs to be changed too. The thing is, even if the link to the "USS Enterprise" page goes to the disambiguation page directly, it should go via "USS Enterprise (disambiguation)". This lets us easily distinguish links that are intentionally going there against links that are accidentally going there. -- sulfur 00:50, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

I guess this makes sense, but if this is the case, then shouldn't "USS Enterprise" redirect to "USS Enterprise (disambiguation)" or something? I guess I am missing something here, and not quite catching it, but are you meaning you want it that way to know if someone meant to be a disambiguation page, or if they meant to say the TOS Enterprise. or A, B, C, D, E? --Terran Officer 02:30, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

It should still be at "USS Enterprise". And yes, the idea is that if you link to "(disambiguation)", that means you meant to point to the disambig page. If you link to the "base", then chances are good you didn't mean to link there. There's a system process every night that lists all links directly to disambiguation pages, so if there is a link to the "base" page and the disambig page is there, then we can find those easily. -- sulfur 11:16, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I have a talk page

...and maybe you can use it next time. Also, assuming I know what the hell I'm doing might help you avoid this in the future, since I kept those links for later, since I like to have something to do in the middle of the monotony of archiving a years worth of forum posts, but you wouldn't know that since you never bothered to ask. If you felt they needed to be fixed quicker than the speed in which I chose to do them, YOU COULD HAVE AVOIDED YELLING IN AN EDIT SUMMARY BY USING A TALK PAGE.- Archduk3 02:12, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

This is done so often by so many people that I get a little annoyed by it. It's not a difficult thing to consider. -- sulfur 02:13, March 27, 2012 (UTC)


The 'Reman Warbird' link on the below category page re-directs to Scimitar. I thought that the links on category pages did not re-direct to another page. How can the link be fixed? Reman_warbird Category:Romulan_starship_classes Syalantillesfel 18:49, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

The redirect has the category on it. This is intentionally done. Most often, we do this with aliases of writers, actors, and so forth where they have been credited under both names. -- sulfur 20:37, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

Locked Pages

How do I edit a page that has been locked out? How long does a page usually remain locked out? Syalantillesfel 17:07, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

If it's protected and admin only, you cannot edit it. It should indicate how long until it is unprotected too. Generally, the best option at that time is to edit the talk page and discuss the edit you wish to make. -- sulfur 17:09, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Jalapeno pronunciation

There are two different versions of how Neelix mis-pronounced Jalapeño on the ‘Rodeo Red's Red-Hot, Rootin'-Tootin' Chili’ and the ‘Jalapeño’ pages.

Question 1: What is the general guideline concerning a disambig link? When are they needed?

Question 2: How do I remove a category? If I add a category to a page, how should I subtract a category if I then realize I added the wrong one? Syalantillesfel 20:32, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation links are generally used when the names are the same or the thing being linked to is not in the first sentence of an article. In terms of removing categories, that should be done the same way you added it. -- sulfur 21:31, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for updating my log recorder information and making it lowercase. I just realized I had made that mistake right after I made the new article. I tried to reverse it but it wouldn't allow me to change the title of the article. Much appreciated! :)

Constable Odo 20:21, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Search issue

Wikia already knows, they just haven't done anything about it yet. The long and short of it is that the suggested results are over a month old (all the featured person templates are still showing for example), some redirects now show (that may be because the page has been moved, and I haven't see that in awhile), and sometimes it still sends you to a different, random page in the suggestions list when you select one. I'm on Firefox 11.0, and if you need any other info let me know, but I don't think there's anything wrong that wikia hasn't know about for awhile now. As far as I know, it might have something to do with the CSS cache problem, which is what they're been working on if the "updates" are to be believed. - Archduk3 21:47, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hidden film cats

I think the last film's categories are ready to be removed. - Archduk3 18:11, May 5, 2012 (UTC)


I'm confused. If a person died in 2154, and the sidebar reads "Deceased (2154)," wouldn't another field stating when he died be redundant? -Angry Future Romulan 16:07, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

We have a number of cases where the status is: "Deceased (2374)", with a "died" note of a year much earlier, or no year at all, because it is unknown.
The date in the status is simply the last date we know of. There are also cases where people have died and come back to life, so have a "Died" in year X, but an "alive status" in a year later than "X". -- sulfur 16:09, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

I’ve already told 31dot I’m limited to public resources, ergo I don’t know when there’ve been messages, and that if I try to comment on talk pages etc the system freezes up, ergo I can’t inform people that I don’t know the correct categories to use.


What’s it amount to anyway, getting huffy over tidying up behind me? You’ve blocked my access for no remotely sane or fair reason, a sneering and ungrateful act. Let’s remember the articles I’ve created had been hanging around ‘in the red’ for years untouched. Who’d have created them if I hadn’t, you? When’re my efforts going to be acknowledged, never? Jesus H Corbett [Archer4real]

We appreciate your efforts, that is not the primary issue; the issue is the lack of communication. I sympathize with your being limited to public computers, but it is not up to us to work around your computer technical issues or access issues; it is up to you to get your messages out, either by seeking technical help on your end, or checking talk pages more often, or anything else that might help you. At a minimum, you could seek assistance from users here in the know by posting in Ten Forward or contacting Wikia. We appreciate what you have done very much, but you either need to create articles in the correct manner (if you are going to regularly do so) or find a way to better communicate with us so that others can help you do so. 31dot 19:28, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Interesting that since the block, you've started heeding instructions and adding categories now. Oh, and editing talk pages seems to work too. -- sulfur 11:04, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

It depends which computer I use. There are other library users besides myself, thus I don’t always have the freedom to pick and choose a PC that’s got no broadband trouble or whatever it is. My adding categories is entirely consistent with my resolution so to do but by no means precludes the possibility that I’ll have request help sometime. So I don’t think I understand the basis for these remarks. [Archer4real], 23/5/12, 19:25 GMT


Sulfur, I'm having serious issues posting a question in the Reference Desk. I've tried about a dozen times and it wont take the Captcha thing. I enter what's in the box and it disapears and leaves me on the Edit page. I thought you might want to know about it in case I'm not the only one. I would do it through my account but I kinda forgot my password and the new one hasn't come through yet. Could this be part of the problem? take care and thanks Chaos3267.174.163.208 21:32, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Best option is to use Special:Contact and contact Wikia staff about the matter. -- sulfur 11:03, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


If I remember correctly, it's the code you provided that stops the lightbox from being used for images. Is there a way to override that on one page, or even better just one image? This is mostly for an idea on condensing the main page a little. - Archduk3 22:06, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure -- I'd have to take a look at it, but I'd be surprised if we could do that. What was the idea? -- sulfur 01:47, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Moving the POTD to the right column, which would shrink it down considerably. Since the lightbox will display the image at the largest size for the screen once activated, the actual size of the image on the page becomes rather moot. - Archduk3 01:58, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Monobook formatting is screwed

Moved here.

Input requested

I was wondering if you could look at this and please advise on how to proceed. Thanks 31dot (talk) 15:29, June 26, 2012 (UTC)


You probably already know, but Star Trek will be involved with Comic-Con this year. Wikia will have a physical presence at the 'Con once again, and we've created this badge:

Comiccon participantbadge

to remind users of this, and provide them with a link to Comic-Con Wiki. There, we will be updating live for the duration of the event with images, info, and exclusives for those users who are unable to be there in person. Would you be willing to allow this badge on the main page here (hopefully at the top of the right column) until the conclusion of the event? Please let me know either way so I can add it, or make a note that you've declined affiliation. You're welcome to add it yourself using the code above, but please drop me a note as well so I can track which wikis are participating. Thank you for your time. (profile)•(talk)•(email) 01:35, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
I for one would rather we decline to "host" yet another wikia ad that directs traffic away from here. At the very least, if it is decided to add this, it shouldn't be at the top of the page as this does not take precedent over the wiki navigation menu, or pretty much everything already there. - Archduk3 09:49, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


While browsing this wiki, I noticed a link to the "Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 2.5 License" in the footer on every page. Out of boredom, I clicked this link to be directed to the following URL: "" (I have removed the http prefix to prevent wikia from automatically turning that into a link and possibly changing the text) However, that page does not exist on your wiki. By going on "Copyrights" page under "Policies & Guidelines" I was able to locate a link to "" which is the correct page. It should be a simple fix for either you, or another admin of your choosing to change the link in your footer. Grif was here (talk) 14:12, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the heads up. - Archduk3 14:35, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Tim Watters

Moved to Talk:Tim Watters

Bobby Kennedy

Just an FYI, I've kind of contested your move of Bobby Kennedy to bg, here. (Also, as an aside, I've taken your advice of adding references immediatly, but you're still beating me to it. I've said it before, but you are just freakishly fast :-D) -- Capricorn (talk) 16:20, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hello Sulfur.

My contributions appear to not be coordinated as my IP changes (dynamic) when there is a utility power outage and I haven't kept a log of what they have been.

I just received a "Welcome to Memora Alpha" message asking me to create an account due to an edit I recently made of an incorrect stardate.

I have had an account and am currently logged in with it.

Can you help me with the confusion.

--Trekbuff (talk) 20:35, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Show/hide Template Q

How do I make it work on a different wiki? An example can be found here: [4] section 7 "A letter from Laura's mother" uses a show/hide template to hide the text of the letter until you click show. Another example is [5]. It uses the show/hide function on his list of relatives. I'm trying to figure out how to get it to work for the Thundarr wiki.--Marhawkman (talk) 00:24, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Delta Flyer controls

Moved to User talk:TyphussJediVader to keep the conversation in one place.]]

Gary Mitchell

Sulfur, User: is not listening. Would you protect the page and block the IP? --Alientraveller (talk) 19:36, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

What I see the page as now is just fine. That IP has edited it to something that involves no speculation and simply states facts. -- sulfur (talk) 19:40, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Old anon talk pages

Is there a way to have a bot delete old anon talk pages if the only editor was the wikia bot? - Archduk3 19:04, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

In theory, yes. Why -- is there a problem they're causing? -- sulfur (talk) 19:05, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Not particularly, it's just a housekeeping function we don't keep up on, since having all these old pages around stops any new users who many now have the IP address from being welcomed. Also, since all the old ones have a link to the page the anon edited, they tend to pop up whenever a page is moved. - Archduk3 19:21, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

I'll look into it, but no promises. :) -- sulfur (talk) 19:30, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


Sulpher---Hello again. Valora Noland answering here. I'm such a clutz with all the options, I hope this is the place you expected me to reply.

You said, to my mention of the "face" above the swastika in the photo of Daras presently included on this wiki, to elaborate. First of all, I would appreciate it if you said, "Yes, interesting, I see the face above the hat." I guess you did see it, for you've asked for some words more.

After my customary mug of coffee this morning, I decided to try and write about the "extra" images I've seen in the background of the frame grab of Daras and Spock, for though I've seen a lot more of them than the one "face" above the hat, in all honesty, I don't know what produced them. So, I wrote some pages, and in the process, I think I've solved an amazing riddle--at least in part. These images do come from another dimension, I believe (Isn't this quite something for Star Trek!), but may not be known to spritualists. I think they fit more into the category of artistic rendering than actual manifestation of a being residing in another world.

If you can get the whole frame from which the closeup was taken, and open it as a jpg in Photoshop, and enlarged, see what's in the background, then, if I send you (perhaps in an email directly to you) what I've written while trying to figure it out, you may understand the source. 16:07, November 5, 2012 (UTC) Valora Nolanbd

Sulpher my answer of a few days ago has not been answered in turn, and I'm afraid I get discouraged easily. Phenomena which is not part of a Star Trek show is too far out, I guess.

If you have an answer for this, please put it on my talk page. I'll check it from time to time.

Is there any way to upload a pdf to the wiki?

Valora Noland

Sulfer: I see that you have recorrected the corrections I made yesterday to my Valora Noland page. You say on your talk pg. that you consider yourself to be "a fairly decent copy editor". I'm not bad myself.

I looked for a link where I could note why I'd made the corrections, but didn't find it. I deleted "(Age 70)" because it is a reiteration, following the birth date. The birth date clearly indicates how old I am now. Further, below the article there are links to Wikipedia and imdb where the more info can be seen. One way or the other, it is certainly not vital.

Second, I deleted "name of actress Valor Baum" because this is basically incorrect. Using my birth name, I was only a theatre arts student. I did not act in any Hollywood shows using this name.

I assume you are not interested in real phenomena showing up in the video of the Star Trek show I did, Patterns of Force. I'll let this be now.

Valora Noland (talk) 15:41, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

In terms of the birth dates, those are automatically generated, and done that way intentionally. We have almost every actor and actress ever involved in Star Trek documented on this site, and they're all done the same way. The automatic generation of the birth date is done so that people can see the person's age automatically. This is done the same way on Wikipedia.
In terms of the name, many people also have their birth names listed, even if they never acted under such. This is primarily done when those names are on the public record, and do allow readers to tie together someone that was in their theatre arts program, or in a broadway musical (etc) to someone that appeared in one of the Star Trek shows. If you do not wish the name to be there, that's fine, and easily removed. -- sulfur (talk) 15:47, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
In terms of the paranormal bits, I'm not sure the relevance they have in terms of Memory Alpha. Perhaps they would be more suited to a wiki such as the Paranormal wiki? -- sulfur (talk) 15:53, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Unusual user request

Throwback, in this discussion, has requested that I permanently block him due to a medical condition that he feels will not improve and will result in him harming this wiki. I suggested that he have his account disabled but that seemed to not be something he felt comfortable doing. I did comply with his request and blocked him(but left his talk page open); however I didn't know if you could offer any other advice, opinions, or alternative courses of action. It's not every day I see that. Thanks 31dot (talk) 04:23, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Noland redux

Moved to Forum:Daras image


Dear Sulfur, I've seemed to have misplaced my toolbar, the one at the bottom of a page...I'm especially missing the <<what links here>> tool. Any suggestion on how to get it back? Thanks--Sennim (talk) 16:33, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Look at the bottom right corner of your screen, there should be some small up arrows. Hit that, toolbar should be back. -- sulfur (talk) 16:36, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Found it, great, Thanks--Sennim (talk) 16:42, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

last image

Where does it say we HAVE to use the very last image, even if the last image is a lousy one, like the one for Janeway? The image of janeway as it was there all this time was from season 7 anyway - she has the short hair. And anyway the point is to make the articles look neat and visually appealing and presentable. While I understand that the top pic usually is from later seasons and the one below from earlier ones, just following that so called rule rigidly regardless of how it looks doesnt make sense and it certain doesn't help MA or the article. You could not possibly think that this grainy small screenshot from a screenshot is a more appropriate picture than the one that's been up there forever and which was changed and replaced with this image. Distantlycharmed (talk) 21:42, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

No, it's not a good quality picture. I agree, and I stated that already. But the top picture should be (for post-TOS characters) an image from the character's last appearance. In this case, it does make sense, because in her case, her Nemesis self is far different from a late season 7 Janeway. -- sulfur (talk) 21:58, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Should be - not must be or else. Especially not if it is a lousy quality picture of a screenshot within a screenshot. We dont need to - and there is no rule that says that we must put in a pic of her very last ever appearance on the show even though it is terrible one. How does that improve the page? The self in parallel and future version of canon doesnt count. There must be a picture of her from pretty late that isnt this watered down grainy image. Anyway i find it hard to believe you would seriously think that a lousy image from a slightly later timeline is a better alternative to a good, proper image from a slightly earlier timeline.Distantlycharmed (talk) 22:36, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Hello again Sulfer,

I found wiki message in my email that you and Cid Highwind had made some edit to my comments, but following the link, couldn't find what the email referenced, not even in the pages you grouped and removed to "forum".

I mentioned in that forum, as you call it, that, were the present Daras image on a proof sheet, it wouldn't be picked. The art of photography is to get a good one, and if a video becomes a proof sheet for frame grabs, the same intention should rule.

But, with my over 20 years as a photographer and experience with the business you put the issue off to the side and do nothing, apparently wanting me to fill page after page with pointless requests. Valora Noland (talk) 14:41, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Re my edit

I am well aware of the episode link templates, but in that instance I was responding to and trying to accomodate the original poster's concern about being too specific with what was being revealed in the note that was edited(by not having the title visible). Just FYI. 31dot (talk) 18:08, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

I figured -- I was just trying to explain my reasoning behind my further change. :) -- sulfur (talk) 18:10, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Star Trek Into Darkness spoilers

Why did you mark my pages for deletion even though they are confirmed sources from I added all the proper spoiler warnings, etc. I do not believe that is a fair judgement for my edits.--William5000forever (talk) 07:52, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Read your talk page. Follow the link to the deletion page. Both of those answer your question. -- sulfur (talk) 07:54, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Will remove articles ASAP.

Re: Images

I am sorry about that! I did not know! Ewiggin (talk) 03:29, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

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