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In Soviet Russia Edit

New Year happy's you!

Um, yeah, Happy New Year blue guy. --OuroborosCobra talk 06:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Recent problems... Edit

I'm sure you're aware of the recent problem we've had with some of our regular contributers. I've been reluctant to give warnings of blocks, but if it continues to escalate, I think we should issue a short and temporary block. Given the gravity of this, I thought we should first reach some consensus of the active admins. -- Jaz talk 03:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks about the Articles Edit

Thanks for fixing the articles I made, and I'm sorry if I caused any trouble. --UTS DeLorean 03:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries, and there's no need to apologize, there was no trouble at all. That's what's so great about Wikis – one person can write an article and others can add on to or format what was originally written. That's why we're here. :) --From Andoria with Love 03:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

IRC Edit

Please. --OuroborosCobra talk 04:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Reminder Edit

A.I. Bezzerides – novelist and screenwriter (August 9, 1908 – January 1, 2006)

You found Merlin! Edit

From your edit to John Lendale Bennett:

John Lendale Bennett (ca 1952 – 27 February 1006)

I congratulate you on discovering the true identity of Merlin. None of this Flint business :P --OuroborosCobra talk 13:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

/me smacks OuroborosCobra with a large wand --From Andoria with Love 13:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


User:Teddy Treblinka. fyi. -- Sulfur 04:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Are "Candals" Canadian vandals? --OuroborosCobra talk 09:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No, merely typos late at night. :) -- Sulfur 12:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested Memorial Edit

The creator of Scooby Doo has died :-( --OuroborosCobra talk 09:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

United Federation of Planets logo.png Edit

Hi Shran. I was wondering if you, since you uploaded it, you could provide a source and proper license or fair use template for File:United Federation of Planets logo.png. Whatever the source is, the template needs to be added by an admin, since the page is protected. --OuroborosCobra talk 00:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I was not the original uploader of that image. I simply deleted the previous revisions and re-uploaded the image to that name in order to remove a vandal's image, since normal reversion didn't appear to do the trick. The original was uploaded by MinutiaeMan (a founder) and was designed by a Kris Trigwell. However, Shisma did make an edit in there, so it's possible he replaced the original with his own design, so you may want to ask him. --From Andoria with Love 01:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Season templates Edit

FYI: The data in the season templates is generated from the Episode project's data. --Bp 07:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Good One Edit

Sorry, IRC screwed up for me, great addition! I especially love the last line :P - Enzo Aquarius 18:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I aim to please. ;) --From Andoria with Love 22:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


Star Trek rumored to be set for a 2 July 2008 release. --From Andoria with Love 22:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd be interested to see a source for this rumor. I personally doubt it, as last I a script had not even been selected, and shooting had not started. To do all that, and editing, and all that jazz in 6 months seems impossible to me. --OuroborosCobra talk 22:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The source of the information is Trek XI producer Damon Lindelof. You can read the announcement here. --From Andoria with Love 00:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, now 1 year and 6 months sounds a lot better, lol. Sounds viable to me. - Enzo Aquarius 00:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, you should use the {{datelink}} template for those dates, such as {{d|2|July|2008}}, which would've saved a buttload of typing above with that [[2008 productions|2008]] crap that you had there before.  :) -- Sulfur 00:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
For the record, since Shran went and changed it, he originally said '07, not '08. Wouldn't want an archive reader to think I was being dumb :P --OuroborosCobra talk 01:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea what he's talking about. (/me goes to delete the page history ;)) --From Andoria with Love 03:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Device Articles Edit

Hi, Shran. I've been recently considering on what is the best way to present pages on Trek devices, such as those named "viewer", "earpiece", "cloaking device" and "transporter". I've been pondering over whether the best way would be to give each example of a device's usage (as I've started doing on viewer and earpiece) or if only designs, problems, limited history, etc. should be given (as articles like transporter and cloaking device are presented). I haven't found any policy articles discussing this issue, but would be most grateful for any personal opinion(s) regarding which you think is better. --Defiant 00:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think it depends on the device. Things like the transporter and the cloaking device have been the focus of many Trek stories, while the viewer and earpiece have never been anything more than props. As such, the transporter & cloaking device have more of a history and more info on designs and what-not. So I don't see a problem with present the viewer and earpiece pages the way you have been. Personally, though, I think all the articles could combine both ways of presenting, if that's possible. I will have to go through the articles to give a better answer than that, but that's the best answer I can give at the moment. Hope that helps. :) --From Andoria with Love 00:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Shran. That did help, as you gave your personal answer to the question I've been too puzzled over! I was slightly worried you wouldn't understand what the corbomite I was on about, and pleased to see that you did! :)
I thought it would be nice to have at least one really good article about something as small and personal as an earpiece or communicators and, as they feature in so many episodes, I didn't think writing/creating a page about them would be too difficult, but it seems like I was wrong! In reply to your answer of using both "ways", I think it might be difficult to avoid repeating information in the two sections (as, for example, I think I've accidentally done with the info about Spock's ear device in both the "Devices & Uses" and "History" sections in earpiece). --Defiant 01:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, in all honesty, I did have to read it two or three times to fully understand what you were asking. ;) As for combining both methods, I agree, it would be difficult to avoid repetition. Like I said, though, I have no qualms about how the pages are progresses now. Anyways, glad I could help. Good luck, and enjoy! :) --From Andoria with Love 03:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply to AlanEdit

Hey, Alan. Sorry, I only just now realized you had contacted me. IRC appears to be working fine. Are you using the CGI gateway? --From Andoria with Love 03:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

IRC Edit

Hey Shran, if you have a minute, you might want to pop on IRC. Not urgent or anything. --OuroborosCobra talk 17:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Edit

This anon user has now been warned about vandalism and i replaced the original text of National Socialist Party but the history is still their. someone needs to revert it the right way. --User with a probe 06:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Just cleaned it up. --Jörg 09:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Earth/Klingon First Contact Edit

I don't know why people think Earth's first contact with Klingons, as seen in Enterprise, wasn't a disaster - the damn guy got shot!! And not even by a Starfleet officer, or even by a diplomat, but by a lousy farmer!! If that's not a pretty disastrous first contact, I don't what is!! :) --Defiant 04:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't know why some people have a problem seeing that. In addition, Picard (spelled erroneously as "Pickard" in my Theatre text book) never specified that first contact was the defining factor which led Starfleet to change their policies; he simply used the term "contact", which to me suggests repeated disastrous encounters. --From Andoria with Love 05:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Blackehart, Pisani and MarcinkoEdit

I've created Stephen Blackehart and Stephen Pisani's pages and I am certain they were definitely in DS9, but I can't find a source for Christopher J. Marcinko. Any ideas on where this info could be found? I did find a website though. -- Tough Little Ship 23:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The only source that lists him as having worked on Trek is his page at the IMDb, which states that he played an uncredted Bajoran in "What You Leave Behind". It seems this is just another example of IMDb users making things up, although there is still the possibility that he did, indeed, appear in the episode. --From Andoria with Love 23:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Today I got an email back from him. A few days ago I asked him about his appearance in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. He wrote a long text about his life and his 'acting days' were long ago. He told me he played a Bajoran Deputy in "What You Leave Behind", Act 2 in a scene where a big party is in Quark's. Perhaps this helps.... ;o] – Tom 10:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

user Edit

I would like to know how to become a Memory Alpha user.

clarification from WTRiker Edit

What exactly do you mean by " extra helping of "Profit and Lace"/"Threshold" tonight?--WTRiker 04:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Retract the above statement. PS: MB has an upcoming novel called "Before Dishonor" on its site. OK if I add it in my own words?
Indeed it is. The book jacket summary doesn't have to be in your own words, though. ;) --From Andoria with Love 04:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Charles, I'm So Sorry! Edit

Hi, Charles, I hope this message reaches you. I've not been ignoring you or any of the administrators on purpose. If you can believe it, I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to make direct contact with you! I was looking all over for an e-mail link, but finally decided to try leaving a message here. I'm sorry for all the trouble I've caused. I certainly didn't mean to. As I hope you can tell, I love Star Trek. It's been my passion since the 2nd grade. Please, when you get a chance, hit me up so we can clear up my misunderstanding. Thanks!

Humbly, Lord Edzo

Thank You, Charles! Edit

I'm glad we finally made contact, and I thank you muchly for the guidance you provided. Going forward, if I have a question about content, I'll contact an administrator before posting it.

In closing, let me say that, although I can't remember how I stumbled onto the Memory Alpha site, I'm glad it's here for all us Trekkers to share facts about our favorite franchise. Thanks again for all your help (and patience).

Talk Soon, Lord Edzo

Regarding Your Recent Edit of the Alexander Siddig page Edit

Why did you watch 24? You missed Heroes. I know you don't watch it, but you do know who made an, albeit cameo, appearance, right?--Tim Thomason 03:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

/me slaps Shran around with a large humpback whale. --OuroborosCobra talk 03:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I am aware of the appearance a certain someone made on Heroes. But 1.) Why would I watch something a friend of mine is recording? He has the entire series thus far, and when the season's finished and he's watch all of 'em, he'll give 'em to me. And 2.) I've already watched the first four episodes of 24. I'm hooked on it for the time being, and can't just "bow out" like that. I gotta know what happens to Jack Bauer!!! ;) --From Andoria with Love 03:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

James Duff page Edit

A number of those names are of production personnel, not just actors. It can't say they "appeared".

Alrighty, I fixed it. Thanks for clarifying that. :) --From Andoria with Love 09:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Erasure of background material Edit

As per request, as I didn't want to take the time to cite entries only to see them erased like so many of my entries or additions of late, I have erased close to 100% of what I wrote in regards to the naming of ships.--Airtram3 13:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The only requests for citation that I saw were in cases where you said something "is" rather than "may be. For example:
The Columbia is named after the 18th century American sloop which became the first ship of this country to circumnavigate the world and to discover the Columbia River. Both the Apollo Command Module Columbia, of Apollo 11, and the space shuttle Columbia are named in honor of this ship.
That had a citation request, because it is claiming something as fact and therefore putting words into the mouths of the production people and/or the people in universe. Something like that needs citation. On the contrary, if you leave it as "may have been" you are making reasonable speculation, but are not stating something as fact:
This vessel may be named either for several sailing vessels named HMS Exeter and serving in Earth's British navy, or they may be named for the city Exeter in that country.
See the difference? --OuroborosCobra talk 13:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
I did what I thought best by wiping out the additions. I wasn't sure that if you or another mod or a contributer may feel if the material is not based on canon or the word of the producters, that the material would be there the next day. By wiping it out, I don't have to be responsible for the additions for they don't exist.--Airtram3 13:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

From LordEdzo 02/06/07 Edit

Hi, Charles. I've been away from the site for several days. Today, Memory Alpha says I have a new message waiting for me, but I can't seem to locate it. Just wanted to make sure that if it was from you, I'm aware of it but can't find it. Please resend?

Thanks, Edzo

In-universe links in RealWorld articlesEdit

So... I've been under the impression for a while now that having in-universe links in "realworld" articles was a good thing, since it shoves people back in and about the wiki. Now, I know that links to realworld pages from 'in-universe' sections of regular pages is bad, but the other way around seems to make some certain amount of sense to me. That and if we're going to clean it up, it's going to take quite some time and effort. :) -- Sulfur 02:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Originally, I thought so, as well, but Jorg (I think it was Jorg...) made a good point when suggesting we try to remove in-universe links from real world articles because the pages that was linked discusses the subject from an in-universe perspective and in turn doesn't really have anything to do with the subject to which it was linked... or something. Um... Jorg worded it better, sooo... ask him. :) In any case, it appears some discussion must be had regarding this before we start making the changes. --From Andoria with Love 03:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

That's how I felt when I raised the issue a while back, that the in-universe links really aren't related to the real world articles (even if the names are the same). In addition, I think it encourages people to mix articles in the other direction (i.e. realworld info in the in-universe articles). My 2 cents is that we should keep them totally separate (the exception, of course, is if we're referencing an in-universe topic in the real world article, for example, talking about someone who designed the phaser prop or something like that). -- Renegade54 05:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: " Future's End; 20:07 . . Shran (Talk | contribs) (removed opinion)" Edit

The idea that the gag is subtle is in and of itself "Opinion". When I wrote this today I referenced it outside of the main body of the article because I saw it and it cracked me up. It's a funny bit and it seems absurd to remove that part of the commentary whilst leaving other "opinion" oriented things in. Is there a different heading under which my contribution should be properly placed?– Foravalon 09:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The term "subtle" never struck me as opinionated; that's why I didn't remove it. I guess it could be considered opinion, though, in which case we could just remove that word and it wouldn't harm the rest of the note. There's nothing wrong with including that note within the background section (although the part that says "this probably was" should be changed to "this might have been"). Since this is an encyclopedia, however, opinions (calling something funny, bad, odd, etc.) should be excluded from the notes. Hope that helps. --From Andoria with Love 10:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

re: Reference template Edit

Hi Shran. Please see Forum:Episode reference templates before reverting more of those... Thanks :) -- Cid Highwind 11:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Pre-TNG Timeline Edit

  • Actually I was the person who posted that timeline on the Hidden Frontier site. Around a year and a half ago. The same thing with my "pre-federation history of warp drive". I made that speculative history up and have posted it on numerous sites. -- Datalore 18:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Hrm... not to sound rude, but do you have any proof of this? That would certainly be another matter entirely. In any case, you should also bring this up here, if you haven't already. --From Andoria with Love 18:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Tense Edit

Since when is the issue of tense under debate? Or have I missed something? -- Renegade54 01:50, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not; IIRC, it was settled with the agreement to use past tense except when it came to more long-lasting things like star systems, etc. the edit has been reverted, not only because it was wrong but also because it altered more than just the tense. --From Andoria with Love 04:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Actually, having had a look at other articles for cities, states, etc. it appears the preferred tense is present tense. So, I guess Foravalon can re-do the tense if s/he wishes, just so long as s/he doesn't revert the other changes. --From Andoria with Love 04:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Phew, thank you kindly, reading of Paris in the past tense just makes me cringe whilst visions of that scene from "Deep Impact" dance through my head. Au revoir Paris! -Foravalon 09:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Regardless, tense has been determined to be generally in past tense. As such, the city articles to which Shran refers should be changed to the past tense. Otherwise, let's just make everything present tense. We can't lean one way with some things, another way with other things, just because they exist now. So, to my mind, that means that everything in-universe is past tense, even if it makes us cringe because we live there, and we're pretty sure it still exists. :) -- (still on vacation...) Sulfur 18:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I know that this really is not the place to further this discussion but I find many things inaccurate about the above statement. "Determined" by whom? And what exactly is "in general" supposed mean in this context? If there has there been an official survey I am unaware of it. I think you've mistaken the intended humor of my above post for my actual stance on the subject. The current actual existence of any "real life" place or thing, has no bearing on anything being discussed here. I feel no remorse that by the 24th Century my native land of Los Angeles has been obliterated by the great Hermosa Earthquake and is now home to the world's largest coral reef. Big whoop.
My stance on the subject of tense is that yes, while many MA articles refer to events which have taken place in the vast story of Trek, and would naturally be in the past tense. But a great deal of articles refer to locations, planets, star systems, stellar phenomena, and even institutions which have not, within the Canon of Trek, been met with any demise, destruction, uncreation (see: alternate timelines) or end. Thus from the viewpoint of one within the "Star Trek Universe" it would be inaccurate to imply otherwise. The goal of having a uniform single tense for all of Memory Alpha is an unrealistic and overly simplistic one, it insults our intelligence and our ability to discern and navigate through the subtleties and complexities of language. To wash out the architecture of our words in this grand referential project for the sake of simplicity would not only be inaccurate to the whole but inelegant as well. -Foravalon 03:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
You're right, this isn't the place to discuss this. ;) A discussion on this issue was started a while back in Ten Forward and can now be found here. This discussion should be continued there. --From Andoria with Love 16:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
To add more fun and confusion it's also being discussed here. -Foravalon 17:31, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh, great. Nothing quite like holding one discussion on three separate pages. Oh, well, have fun with that. ;) --From Andoria with Love 17:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Hope I'm putting this in the right place. Shran (I assume you're the same person as "From Andoria With Love"), got your note. Yes, I removed it from the talk page lest it be considered un-wiki-like (new word). I'll put it back. My intention was not so much to link to the "reviews," but rather the background info that many might enjoy--the cut scenes, etc. Thanks for your kindness in responding and editing. Best, Dave Sir Rhosis 21:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

How 'bout this. Follow one of the links and tell me if you think they merit inclusion as fact-based items or if there is too much of my opinion. I know you missed a link I put on "Mirror, Mirror" and, iirc, one for "The Cage." There's one on "Arena," and is a comparison between the Brown short story and the episode. If you feel they do not belong, I will understand your deleting the links as you did on the others. Once you get to those links, you can easily navigate through the pages. Sir Rhosis 05:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

image deletions Edit

Not 100% sure, if indeed that guy is legit, but if so, it seems to me Mike Sussman has personal images, as well as a couple other Trek production related individuals....--Alan del Beccio 21:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if he's legit, either. As for Sussman and such, I think the personal images he has uploaded are actually usable on MA, aren't they? They're him on the set, I believe. At present, I think they're being used as background images. Could be wrong... --From Andoria with Love 21:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
File:Eric_A_Stillwell.jpg, nevertheless, I agree that many personal images are still overkill. --Alan del Beccio 22:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Even that image is serving dual purpose, it is being used at Eric A. Stillwell, not just personal use. --OuroborosCobra talk 22:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
And since the person in the picture is the same person who uploaded the picture (hopefully :P), then all's okay. :) --From Andoria with Love 03:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


You altered my contribution to the Omega Directive Voyager page, but I wrote it after seeing this from "Distant Origins":

The Voth scientists' discovery of the Human skull and subsequent search for Voyager are a perfect example of continuity in the Trek franchise; the skull is left over from "Basics, Part II," while the cannister of warp plasma at the space station is an acknowledgement of the events of "Fair Trade". Despite these factors, this episode's popularity among fans is largely for its unique presentation; the story is told from the point of view of the Voth, and Voyager and its crew do not even appear until the third act.

Should this article also have its opinion removed? --User: 06:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

My bad about the updates. I didn't intend to do it like that but I kept seeing things that needed to be fixed. My alterations to the page are still acceptable, correct?

Gorn Page Edit

OK, one more question. I've noticed that the TOS Gorn has five fingers on each hand while the ENT Gorn only has three. Would that be considered background information, or should I include it in the paragraph dealing with possible diverging evolution of Gorn. That's the one right before the italicized paragraph where the origin of three different species of Gorn from three different planets (from the board game) is discussed.

NCC-1701-Alpha Edit

Historical note: "Alpha" WAS used in dialogue in ST VI (vo while the transport shuttle was approaching Spacedock), but that was the only time :)

I'd add that "Alpha" is the phonetic alphabet word used for "A", and that the phonetic alphabet is most used in the real world during radio transmission. --OuroborosCobra talk 14:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
As Cobra said, Alpha was used as part of radio code. That doesn't mean that's what the "A" stood for -- in actuality, the letters stand for nothing; they're to designate the sequence of vessels. A is vessel A, B is vessel B, etc. Adding Alpha, Beta, etc. is redundant since Alpha is the letter A. --From Andoria with Love 18:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahem Edit

Mind looking at the bottom of Talk:USS Constellation (NCC-1017)#Merge? --OuroborosCobra talk 04:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

WTF Edit

(Deletion log); 11:25 . . Shran (talk | contribs) (deleted "File:Lifesigns.jpg": uncropped dupe of File:Croppedlifesigns.JPG)

The new image:

  • Is titled poorly, includeing the capitalized "JPG"
  • Is not described or cited properly, including the text "(A cropped version (and therefore much easier to see) of a picture from..."
  • Is not catagorized
  • Has no image boilerplate
  • Is low resolution
  • Depicts nothing
  • Is uninteresting
  • Is not iconic for the episode "Lifesigns", in whcih it is used as the episode image
  • Should have been uploaded over the one it "replaced", at least

And now you've deleted the one it was "therefor much better than" which means no one can compare them. Where is that Nominations for De-admin page again? --Bp 18:07, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, they were both titled poorly, both poorly cited, both uncategorized, both without an image boilerplate. In addition, both had poor resolution, both depicted nothing, both are uninteresting, neither are iconic. Basically what I did was delete the one that wasn't being used. In the end, it doesn't really matter, because the current image will be replaced. It also doesn't matter because one can simply go to the linked web page, save the image and download it again and voila!.
Basically, both images sucked about equally, so I didn't care which one stayed and which one didn't. In the end, both will be gone. Now take your Vulcan cynicism and bury it. :P --From Andoria with Love 18:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Of course, no one could know any of that because you deleted the old one. "Croppedlifesigns.JPG" is a far worse title than "Lifesigns.jpg", and the previously existing one, well, previously existed. The file should have been uploaded there if it was to be replaced. Anyway, I'm sick of your bad attitude. Power has made you a tyrant. --Bp 18:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
And I'm sick of your bad attitude towards my bad attitude! It's Saint Patty's Day, I'm Irish, I can do whatever I want! Eat me! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! (does the Riverdance) --From Andoria with Tyranny 18:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
--Bp 18:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Colm! As a frickin' leprechaun, no less! Saints preserve us! :P --From Andoria with Love 21:27, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

You really let this site down... Edit

James Kirk&#039;s evil counterpart

You missed my birthday motherclucker!

I hope you realize what yesterday was, and the void you left in our hearts by not making a dedication to the man who's birthday fell on 22 March. You really failed me Shran-- no, you failed Memory Alpha. I thought I raised you better than that. Shame. --Alan del Beccio 22:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Spock reacts to the death of the Intrepid

I am not Spock?!

Hey, Leonard Nimoy just called and said that you better not forget his birthday, because he might, since he is like old and stuff. --Alan del Beccio 22:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, maybe you didn't raise me so good after all... so I guess that means the problem is you. So shame on you, sir! You not only failed me and Memory Alpha... you failed the Shat. You have brought great shame and dishonor to our house. You no more part of family!
Oh, who am I kidding? I failed you all... and the Shat!!! </me cries> I failed myself! </me cries some more> I don't want to liiiiiiiiiive! </me falls of something tall> --From Andoria with Love 22:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Ahhh... I love this site. :D --From Andoria with Love 08:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

this is really bugging me Edit

sorry, i've tried to put it in the talk section, but no one pays attention. File:Delta Flyer.jpg, used in the Delta Flyer article doesn't belong there as it represents the Delta Flyer II (in "Homestead"). I recently replaced File:Df2.jpg (which was uncited) with a nearly identical shot currently representing the first Delta Flyer, so now there are essentially duplicate images. I have a replacement for the erroneously titled file ready, but it is protected as it is on the Main Page. so like, i think this should be fixed. yeah. Deevolution 06:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and unprotected the Delta Flyer image. You should be able to upload the correct image now. :) --From Andoria with Love 06:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


Heads up Edit

Hey, there! Keep an eye on User:Trumpet marietta 45750, ok? He's been going through articles changing all the quotes to stupid "smart quotes", straight apostrophes to angled ones, etc. I've been following along behind him and changing things back. Thanks! -- Renegade54 21:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Roger that. Thanks for the heads up. :) --From Andoria with Love 03:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey Shran! Catch the football! *Throws bee nest* - Enzo Aquarius 03:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

reminder Edit

Jack Hinkle (20 Aug 1938 - 11 Aug 2005) - visual effects editorial for TMP

Ban? Edit

Hey Shran, while connecting to the IRC, it says I've been 'banned from the channel'. Is this an error or did you guys actually ban me :P - Enzo Aquarius 13:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

The entire web gateway was banned. I think to stop stupid-sparta boy. -- Sulfur 15:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Dang :P - Enzo Aquarius 15:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

It's since been lifted. -- Sulfur 15:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

==First Kiss== Edit

Shran, noticed that you reverted somebody's assertion on Uhura's page that it "was generally believed" that Shatner and Nichols' kiss was the first kiss between a Caucasian and an African-American on American television. Recent evidence has come to light to suggest that that poster was correct. I put a note on the page for "Plato's Stepchildren" regarding this. Seems that in a 1967 television special (that has been released recently on DVD) Nancy Sinatra and Sammy Davis, Jr. kissed at least once (full lip kiss, between friends, not a romantic kiss). In addition to the DVD itself, Sinatra discussed the kiss on "Larry King Live," a transcript of which is available on the net. So, do we amend the article to say that the Kirk/Uhura kiss was not the first aired on U. S. TV, or do we make a note that the earlier kiss was between people acting as themselves and the K/U kiss was the first between fictional characters? At any rate, seems to me, we should somehow acknowledge that Davis and Sinatra were the "true" first. Sir Rhosis 19:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the first staged kiss? Or the first kiss on episodic television? Eh, whatever you think is best. First kiss between two fictional characters is fine, too. --From Andoria with Love 19:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


I apologize for the all cap. title but it is very important. What type of Human starships exist in the 23rd and 24th centuries?

What type of Human starships? Starships aren't human... :P Okay, seriously, the United Federation of Planets is comprised of Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, and many, many more alien races, so technically speaking, there are not "Human Starships" in the Federation, nor are there "Vulcan Starships" or so forth; there are "Federation Starships" or "Starfleet Starships". A Human starship would designate a vessel owned and operated by a Human crew not affiliated with the Federation or Starfleet, such as some types of cargo ships. That said, I'm not sure of the back of my head what type of Human starships existed in the 23rd and 24th centuries... sorry. :/ --From Andoria with Love 03:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you,that was a very satisfying answer, I appreciate your sincerity. Why is it that the Federation vessels resemble those of Earth Starfleet? That's how I became confused.
Well, it's never really explained, but it likely has something to do with tradition as well as preference and maybe – just maybe – their designs proved to be more efficient than those of other worlds, including the Vulcans. Also, keep in mind that, judging from the dedication plaques of most of the starships we've seen, many of the people who work to design and the build the starships are Human... at least, they have Human-like names. That probably only adds more confusion to the mix, but it's something to think about, I suppose, and offers an explanation as to why Federation vessels are modeled after early Earth designs. --From Andoria with Love 03:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is something to think about, I am planning of ascertaining a membership here, is it possible to discuss this topic in a group? Also, when did the United Earth Space Probe Agency resolve?
We'd be glad to have you. :) As for further discussion of this topic, if you wish, you can drop by the #memory-alpha IRC channel (which can be accessed from here) and discuss it there. I'm not there at the moment, but I should be there tomorrow evening, but there may be someone there willing to discuss this matter with you. As for the the United Earth Space Probe Agency, they were in operation as early as 2067 and were still in existence by 2293. In the real world, UESPA was first referenced as an acronym in "Charlie X" and mentioned fully in "Tomorrow is Yesterday". You can find more information about it here. Hope that helps. :) --From Andoria with Love 04:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Is this website canon?
No, they not. Although some of the information on those sites may have come from canon sources, quite a bit of it looks as though it is fan-created or at the most derived from reference materials or non-canon novels. As for what is accepted as canon here on Memory Alpha, only information seen and heard in official Star Trek films and TV shows is allowed. --From Andoria with Love 01:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, from what I can tell, it's all fanon. --From Andoria with Love 01:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah it was very far-fetched, thanks.

Thanks! Edit

I didn't have a precisely citable source about the laser/phaser thing, so I thought I should play it safe and make it Apocrypha.Capt Christopher Donovan 23:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. I think the reason why the laser became a phaser is a well-known fact, though. Although it certainly would be better to have that information cited, enough people know it is true. If a source is requested, though, we'll just look one up (The Making of Star Trek maybe? :)) --From Andoria with Love 22:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Who?!?! Edit

Seriously, stop Wikistalking me. I mean it this time....

LOL. Hi Chuck, how are you? By the time you get this, I will have sent the email you asked for. Thanks for the link, I'm going to add to the Memory Alpha Wikipedia article. Zidel333 01:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The Cage Photos Edit

Thanks for scaling them down without compromising the image quality. Kyle C. Haight 12:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Earth Starfleet Starships Edit

Hello, it's me again, is this statement true? "The Earth Starfleet grew into the military and exploratory arm of the Federation known as simply "Starfleet,"" It's in Human history Under humanity and the Federation. I didn't put it there either. Also in Human history, there is "In 2151 Humanity’s first starship capable of warp 5 was launched: the Enterprise NX-01. It was the first of a line of ships that would, from a design and organizational point of view, evolve into the ships used by Starfleet into the 24th century and beyond." This in under First Contact in Human history.

From what I understand, those statements are true. The Earth Starfleet seen on Enterprise became the Starfleet seen on the shows set in later centuries, while the designs of the ships in the 24th century basically have the same saucer/two-nacelle design that the NX-01 had. --From Andoria with Love 02:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again.

1,000 edits on Wikipedia Edit

...does this make me a nerd? Oh well. Zidel333 15:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Gayne Rescher Edit

I saw A Face in the Crowd a couple of weeks ago and noticed the cinematographer, and wondered why we didn't know more about Mr. Rescher. Nice job with the article. --GNDN 17:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! :) I enjoyed going over his work. I'm hoping to get some more info on where he came from, his education, and things like that; biographical tidbits. Might not be that easy, though, at least not until a detailed obituary is posted – hopefully that won't happen anytime soon, though. --From Andoria with Love 23:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Reminder Edit

Update cast information for the remainder of TOS episodes. --From Andoria with Love 02:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Of all people Edit

I did not expect you to join in breaking this one. Thanks for removing the last bit of faith I had in the integrity of the administrators of Memory Alpha. --OuroborosCobra talk 08:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Dude, I was just pointing out that it was meant to be humorous. The "attack" was meant as a joke; I just forgot the face. As for my entire response, it seemed to me that you were against the whole thing, so I just decided to point out another scenario where you liked humorous lines being kept in the article. --From Andoria with Love 08:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

If I was so against the whole thing, don't you think I would have replied in the two days after Alan's post? Or that on IRC I would have opposed the note rather than Alan's piss poor method of informing me it was a joke? --OuroborosCobra talk 08:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Alan, I'm sure that helped greatly. :P To Cobra: didn't even think about it. See Talk:Ba'ku goat. --From Andoria with Love 08:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Pot calling the kettle black, Alan being a pot from long long before I joined Memory Alpha. --OuroborosCobra talk 08:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, everyone has successfully pissed off everyone else. Now that we're all in agreement, let us return to normal operations, shall we? --From Andoria with Love 08:52, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

In regards to Sid Haig... Edit

On - May 12, 2007 - you - Shran - have failed to regard the constantedits template placed in the page - Sid Haig - on May 9, 2007. The constantedits template has since been - removed by Sulfur.

By - Sulfur's - orders, you are hereby fined a monetary amount of - 50 dollars - to the Memory Alpha Treasury. Failure to uphold our policies will result in a fine of - decapitation. Thank you and have a nice day.


- Adm. Enzo Aquarius...I'm listening 02:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

But Memory Alpha already owes me $26,323. They can just take it out of that. As for the decapitation -- there can be ONLY ONE!!!!!!! --From Andoria with Love 05:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


Please see the talk page associated with MA:NOT. -- Sulfur 23:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm in need of your awesomeness Edit

Hi, what star trek episodes, if any, contain references to any US Military Academies? I'm looking specifically for West Point, but I would appreciate any help. Thanks. :) Zidel333 15:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi there!! :) West Point was mentioned in the Star Trek: Enterprise episode "Hatchery". I don't think any others were mentioned, but I'll check around. :) --From Andoria with Love 15:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I've poked around and I can't find any further references to a US Military Academy (we do have a Bajoran and Cardassian Military Academy, though. :D). We do have a Merchant Marine (a short name for the Merchant Marine Academy), but it's not in reference to the academy. The military branches themselves have been referenced all over the place (i.e. United States Air Force), but alas, not the academies. West Point appears to be the only one. I hope that helps, though. :) --From Andoria with Love 15:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks for the reply. I'm going to clarify a recent update to the West Point article on Wikipedia. Hope everything's going well. :D Zidel333 03:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
P.S. You're cute when you're excited. LoL. :) Zidel333 04:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
You mean I'm not cute all the time? :P --From Andoria with Love 07:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

What? Edit

No more river-folk personality disorder? --OuroborosCobra talk 02:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Earth, Mostly Harmless Edit

I get why you changed it, but come on it was funny, and lets face it, if the Star Trek Encyclopedia has that as part of its definition of Earth, and the Star Trek Encyclopedia is a Memory-Alpha permitted resource, then can't it say Mostly Harmless on Memory-Alpha?

TSFS Writing Credits -- Only Bennett should be credited in infobox Edit

I wanted to draw your attention to my note on the TSFS Talk Page regarding the fact that both Bennett and Nimoy are given Story credit for Trek III in the infobox for that film. The film's actual credits only list Bennett as sole writer. Our infobox should reflect this. We don't list Nicholas Meyer as a writer of TWOK, even though everyone agrees that he totally overhauled Jack Sowards' script, and could have gotten a credit should he have pushed for one. We should honestly reflect what is seen on screen, and put stuff like uncredited rewrites, etc, in the body of the article somewhere, properly cited of course. I know Nimoy asked him to change the Romulans to Klingons, but this a story credit does not make. Thanks for listening. Sir Rhosis 23:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll go ahead and change it; I don't think anyone will mind as long as it's noted elsewhere in the article that Nimoy also contributed to the script. --From Andoria with Love 23:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Sorry if I was wrong, but I got the impression from the Talk Page that you opposed the change to a sole Bennett writing credit. Best, Sir Rhosis 23:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Nah, I was just pointing out that Nimoy went uncredited (though I mistakenly said both Bennett and Nimoy went uncredited). I agree that the credit box should only show what was in the credits. Speaking of the credit box... I should find out how to fix that... :P (I am working on it, lol!) --From Andoria with Love 23:54, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I treid to change wsWrittenBy to wsScreenplayBy and it did put up the proper credit, but the "ghost" of the story by credit remains. Weird...Sir Rhosis 23:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I had to fix the sidebar template to allow the "Written by" credit and hide the "Screenplay by"/"Story by" credits. All fixed now. :) --From Andoria with Love 00:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Jerry Bono Edit

I'll work on his credits in DS9's season 6 and add them the next days. ;o] – Tom 23:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem...about 20 minutes of work ;o] If you need support on other articles... tell me. – Tom 19:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Starship=Connie Edit

please see Talk:Constitution class


Btw... I've collected a list of a large number of birthdays that need to be translated onto all of the relevant lists (the deaths page, birthdays pages, date pages, and year production pages). User:Sulfur/Birthdays. My plan for today is to go through all of the death dates in the lower section and ensure that they're all in the relevant and correct locations, leaving only a buttload of birthdate references to check and correct. Just fyi. -- Sulfur 13:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Michael Owen Edit

Hey. Michael Owen is a stuntman. He was credited in Star Trek Nemesis and he spoke some words, so he is a stunt actor (who received credit), because of his physical moves. If he is "only" an actor he would need a stunt double. He performed stunts, but his own stunts when he flew over his console. He performed no other stunts. So he's in three categories. Dennis Madalone is also listed in the credits when he is performing stunt acting roles. But he is a stuntman (and stunt actor). – Tom 09:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Now it looks "complete". ;o] – Tom 09:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. ;) --From Andoria with Completeness 09:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Rene Auberjonois Image Edit

Change the citation to your image's citation. The current one is for my image. And yes, yours is better. – Orr6000 17:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Off topic comments? Edit

I recently added a comment to a talk page about Tim Russ and his very short role in "SpaceBalls". You said that my comment was off topic. I am having a slightly hard time seeing that after reading the guidelines. This particular section of the talk page was about Tim Russ being in SpaceBalls, his photograph from that movie, and his one and only line in the movie. I think I tied his roll in SpaceBalls, and his role as Tuvok nicely. Once I saw that was him in that movie, that was the first thing to came to mind. If that was "off topic", where should I have made the comment to make it "on Topic"? I don't want to make trouble, I just want to contribute in a fun way. It is just a fantasy of: what if any Star Trek series did not have language restrictions or censors? Granted, it could get old fast but having it taboo is what would make is funny! :D As I continue to contribute, I will do my best to learn all the "nooks and crannies" of how to contribute without getting more messages to read the policies and guidelines. Please, be patient with me. Editor3000

New Images. Edit

I uploaded the following images: File:Ethan Philips.jpg, File:G_Wang.jpg, File:Jennifer Lien.jpg, File:Robbie McNeill.jpg, File:Robertbeltran.jpg and File:Tim Russ.jpg . I will ask you to take notice of the note beneath the citation of each on, in italics, please. – Orr6000 00:55, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Editing A Copyrighted Image Edit

Can we do that? I did not feel comfortable doing that. This is why I uploaded it as it appears on the site.– Orr6000 22:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The New Tim Russ Image Edit

Well done. A Lot better than mine.– Orr6000 02:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Wish I could get rid of the bloody fingers in the corner though, lol! --From Andoria with Love 02:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Wanted: A Deecent Bloody Jennifer Lien Image! Edit

Can you find one on the DVDs? I cannot find any on Trek Core or from my licensed sources (those from whom I have secured permission for image use)– Orr6000 00:03, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I no longer have any of the VOY DVDs, although I hope to rectify that soon. However, I don't think you'll be able to find an image of Lien sans costume and make-up on the DVD because I don't believe she participated in the interviews that were conducted in 2003. The only interviews I think she did are those on the set of Voyager while she was in make-up. A very private individual, Mrs. Lien was never very fond of interviews from what I can tell. I wish I could be more help. :/ --From Andoria with Love 00:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
As an aside... Memory Alpha:Requested pictures is a much better place to request images than asking on numerous peoples' talk pages. -- Sulfur 00:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the See also links on pressure. I had actually intended on suggesting that the four unit articles be merged to pressure but was going to wait until the dust settles on the same issue with the temperature article.

In both cases I believe that the benefits of seeing how the definitions compare, outweighs any old reasons to maintain separate stub articles. Especially since those terms can now become sectional redirects. —MJBurrageTALK • 14:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem. As for turning those pages into redirects, the problem with that is, as pointed out elsewhere, that's really not how it's done in an encyclopedia. I'm beginning to have second thoughts about the merging of the time measurements, myself. How these are generally handled is a single article – say, temperature – lists links to the various temperature terms, while the terms themselves are on separate articles. This is because, even though they are all part of temperature terminology, they are distinctly different from each other. It would kind of be akin to merging Earth, Mars, etc. into the Sol system page or merging information on all Klingons into one article, which, of course, is out of the question. That said, I'm abstaining from the whole temperature discussion for the time being. ;) --From Andoria with Love 14:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

But is not a big part of the reason for "how things are/were done" in this case the former limitations of the wiki software? Before redirects could link to sections. there was no alternative to separate articles that did not also require clumsy links in each and every article that referenced one of the terms. Furthermore redirects could not be in categories. Neither of those is a limitation any more, and so they should not constrain what we do now.

In both the temperature and pressure cases the list of examples is much more useful combined. Once you do that it only makes sense to remove the same examples from the separate unit articles. Once you do that the unit articles become one line long stubs, and would be more useful at the top of the combined article. Each of the units then becomes a redirect. In retrospect I could have done the above in three stages, walking though those steps, but as soon as I had the idea, it was clear to me where it would progress and so I created both articles.

As for Earth measurements, on reflection, that article should probably be moved to fundamental Earth units (or something similar), and limited only to length, mass, and volume. For such basic units we would not want a list of examples (which would be ludicrously large if it was created). As for the technical issues with such a move, only the redirects need be updated, since any other articles should be pointing at those redirects, which is the reasoning behind redirects in the first place. The idea behind the merge is that each article was only a stub, and was very likely to always remain a stub given the topic. (How much is MA ever going to have to say about any of these units without referring instead to Wikipedia.) Since there is no longer a technical reason to keep a small group of related stubs separate, they were merged. (The same reasoning applies to time measurements) —MJBurrageTALK • 15:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

A big part of the reason that's how it's done is because that was the way people wanted things done: one article for one subject. Several contributors here aren't big fans of the idea of condensing multiple articles into one page. Like I said, though, I'm abstaining from this for now. --From Andoria with Love 17:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Shran, the entire point of being an administrator is to be actively involved in mediating and offering choices and options in dealing with situations. Abstaining from that role defeats the purpose of why you were nominated and accepted being an administrator.
With that said, shouldn't this discussion be on a more topic-appropriate talk page or forum? --Alan 22:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
"I'm abstaining from this for now" = I'm not sure what to think or how to help with this situation at the moment but when or if I think of something helpful I'll let you know. But yes, I do agree it would be more fitting for a talk page or forum. --From Andoria with Love 23:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Not trying to put any pressure on you... --Alan 23:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
psst... I copied it over to Talk:Pressure... don't tell anyone.--Tim Thomason 23:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Wizard Edit

He's dead?!? AHHHH! I used to watch his show all the time. My favorite was the lttle twerp that grapped his heart when the ballon exploded. P.S.- I added you to Section 31 on my user page. Best. -FleetCaptain 17:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, he's gone. Sad, I know. What's even more sad is the fact that I barely remember his show despite the fact that I know I watched it many times as a kid. :( Oh, and thanks for making me part of a secretive, rogue agency. I feel all mysterious now, lol ;) --From Andoria with Love 17:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk page messages Edit

Sorry about all the talk messages this evening. I know how the "You have new messages" thing can be annoying.--Tim Thomason 23:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Too much detail? Edit

I am you think I put too much detail into my 'Voyager' episode summaries? I know the word 'summary' means a short synopsis, but I just can't help but tell the whole story, campfire style. I think people enjoy reading that a lot more than a simple synopsis, especially if they have never seen the show or episode (and don't mind spoilers!). Some Examples: "Night", Scorpion Part I and II, and "Infinite Regress".– Orr6000 14:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Page unprotection Edit

Ah, no problem. I unprotected a whole bunch of pages. If there's one or two that still need protection, just do it... and join #ma, will ya? You're missing out on some of the best videos of the last 30 years! ;) -- Cid Highwind 22:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

What's "turfed" mean? Edit 02:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

It means to be killed, to be thrown out, to be to be tossed, trashed, ejected, buried, deleted. --From Andoria with Love 02:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Satan's robot: "Delete this guy" :) 02:58, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Worf's marriage Edit

Hey! You removed the note from the "Did you know..." that Worf was married twice. Wasn't he married to Deanna in TNG: "Parallels" in an alternate timeline? They had two children. The second time of course to Jadzia. ;o] – Tom 21:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh! Well, crap... I guess that does kinda count, lol! I guess I'll add it back, if it hasn't been re-added already. Good job! :) --From Andoria with Love 21:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem ... ;o] – Tom 22:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

A Needed Article Edit

I added an article about Species 8472's most powerful weapon: their planet killer. I hope it meets with site requirements.– Orr6000 00:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey ShranEdit

Sorry for the constant edits, thats just how ideas come to me, but from now on, I'll knock it off.

Although, the edits you removed, in my opinion, were accurate and precise. That's why I restored them. I realize you are well established here, and I would never dream of offending you.

I am a ravenous Star Trek fan, and I am going to create an account here on Memory Alpha.

If you disagree with any of my assertions, please, let me know why, I'll do the same likewise.

Please stay in contact.

Hey there. I understand you are new here, but please understand that we have policies which prohibit certain types of information on Memory Alpha. This includes speculation. In addition, please see this page for information on the point of view we use here. Thank you. --From Andoria with Love 04:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


so that's what those talk pages are for, Gee Golly Gosh! – Akira Class 06:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Lovely, aren't they. ;) --From Andoria with Love 07:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Nick RamusEdit

I notice you don't have a date of birth for Nick Ramus in your Memorial seciton. According to he was born on September 9. also lists his birthdate as September 9 (at least I think that's his birthdate below his name; the month and day correlate, but the year can't be right.) --Ye Olde Luke

Hi there! Thanks for the head up! I'll update my list and Ramus' article, as well. I'll also add some of the info he provided in the first link. And, yeah, the year provided by NYT is definitely wrong, lol! Unless Ramus came to us from the future. :P Thanks gain! :) --From Andoria with Love 22:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Tried But Failed... Edit

Jennifer Lien continues to elude me. Not a decent picture to be found, except from one site and I never got an answer from the photo owner (how rude!). I do have some from one of my sources, but not very good (kind of bleached and horrible red-eye!). I do not want just any old image, I want a good one! Well, I'll keep my eyes open...– Orr6000 14:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

....and the Oscar goes to.... Edit

Hey ! Another one for your list: Scott Leva. He won the Technical Achievement award in 2006 for the design and development of the precision stunt airbag. I though also about a list like this one... ;o] – Tom 17:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, What about the template? Edit

Hi, thanks for the welcome. Will any offense be taken, by yourself or anyone else, if I take that stuff off my talkpage? It will just be intrusive in the future, and I am familiar with the material. For reference's sake, if necessary, I can always look it up on 80% of user talk pages later :) or just read the actual template. Again, thanks for welcoming me. SwishyGarak 03:22, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


I presume that you'll be adding all of these to the production year pages when you're done wandeering aimlessly through them all?  :) -- Sulfur 18:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'll take care of it. ;) --From Andoria with Love 18:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sean Aloysius O'Brien Edit

Sorry for the mix-up in the Sean O'Brien articles. Didn't realize there already was one about him cause he was mentioned in the article of the episode "Bar Association" as Seamus O'Brien. Somebody must've missunderstood the name... -- 23:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


I have to run away, but if you're around and have time to doodle up the second "issue" of the Tokyopop comic series... check this out... -- Sulfur 19:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Love at first sight Edit

J. Paul Boehmer....I just can say i love you, and will do forever...and wont never forget your good bye kiss....Te amooo!!!

Aracely...* Starffest on Cintermex convention center. Monterrey, N.L. Mèxico

Thanks & a question... Edit

Thanks for the welcome! I feel so loved already. And I'm loving on that screencap of Archer with antennae.

Anyway, I was wondering about how you get your sig to say "From Andoria With Love" instead of just your username and the time/date of the comment. Thanks for your help! HopefulNebula 02:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I plan to. I'm just lazy in getting around to it, heh. Plus, I'm easily distracted. Oooh, something shiny.
See what I mean about being easily distracted? I keep forgetting to sign talk pages... --Coffee in that Nebula 03:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The old lady.... Edit

Hey Shran ! I saw your new article about Viola Stimpson.... ahm... she was credited as Viola Kates Stimpson and already has an article on MA, perhaps you can move your well looking article to the name she was credited with? Have a nice day... – Tom 08:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I just checked the credits, and she is indeed credited as "Viola Stimpson" (no Kates), so I'll merge the Kates page to the page without the Kates. Thanks for bringing this to my attention! :) --From Andoria with Love 09:20, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, my fault...but now we have one side. ;o] – Tom 10:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks for getting that image for me... Edit

just got home and went to delete it, but you beat me to it. :) Johnq@fandom (talk) 03:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) --From Andoria with Love 05:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

New screen name. Edit

orr6000 here. Just thought you'd like to know: though my login name is the same, I've decided to call myself Obsidian, as in Obsidian Order. I just like the sound of it. :) is there any way to keep a screen alias so that only one person can use it, or does that necessitate a new account?– Obsidian

Neat. :) If you want to keep the name for yourself, though, you may want to create another account under the "Obsidian" name. You don't have to use it, just create it to prevent others from using the name. I should have done that with "From Andoria with Love". Didn't realize it, though, until it was too late, though. :/ --From Andoria with Love 10:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Reminder regarding constantedits notice Edit

Just a reminder that you placed a {{constant edits}} notice on Daniels (Lieutenant) almost two weeks ago, and that per the template you are the one who is supposed to remove the notice. In addition, that article has now been protecting from anonymous editing (due to the constant edits) for just as long. Both can probably be lifted at this point. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I Need Your Help Edit

Hey Chuck,

No long, no ... read? Just kidding. Anywho, the Wikipedia article of Mortal Coil, from Voyager's 4th season is up for deletion. I'd apprecaite if you'd vouch for it to be saved. Also, I'm going to try to rewrite the article because there are concerns the article was copy/pasted from a Star Trek fan site. If you could help, I'd be forever grateful. Thanks. :) Zidel333 22:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that entire discussion is one big joke, lol! Anyways, I've spoken my mind and I'll be glad to assist in any way possible. It's been a while since I've seen the episode, though, so I will have to borrow the DVD from a friend. I shall do so tomorrow so I can be prepared to help re-write the page. I might even fix up our own "Mortal Coil" page. :) --From Andoria with Love 04:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I know! Deletionists are such...imbeciles. I swear users who stalk the AfD board are creepy, morons who are too nerdy for their own good, who refuse to see logic,and blindly put faith in Wikipedia Policy. Seriously, have they never heard of Ignore All Rules? It is my favorite policy for a reason. I shouldn't be so negative, it just angers me.

  • Deep breath* Thanks so much for all your help. I'm going to try to watch this tomorrow night, and take a stab at the plot summary, etc. after viewing it. By Friday evening, I hope it will be done. Zidel333 04:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
The amusing thing is that the one posting it for deletion is somewhat of a regular and high numbers contributor on this site. --Alan 05:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Reply to Zidel333: I added a little summary. Just a wee one. Okay, it won't be a summary until it grows up, but with proper care and nurturing, it'll be a big boy in no time. :)
Reply to Alan: I found that rather amusing, myself. You'd think he'd know better. :P --From Andoria with Love 05:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Laszlo Kovacs wiki Edit

"Not important to *who*". His daughter, that's who. That documentary was not a part of his life. Yes it was about his life, but it wasn't who he was.

Ah, I see. In that case, I've removed the note. I offer my sincerest apologies and condolences. --From Andoria with Love 20:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

New Screen Name Advice Edit

I know that some users like to answer on their own pages, so I did indeed check. Thank you. Unforntunately, someone has already taken the login name Obsidian, but it does not look as if they have made a single contribution.– Obsidian 18:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

New Login Name Edit

New login name. Everybody has something interesting: Sulfur. Shran. Admiral Enzo Aquarius! I got tired of Orr6000. What's interesting about that. So...may I introduce you to...– Obsidian One 00:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

MainPage setup helpEdit

Shran, I hate to bother you (I appologize for my lack of a screename; as the saying goes, longtime listener first time caller): I read MemoryAlpha all the time and think its one of the best set-up wikis out there. Currently I have been tasked with setting up a new wiki (it's for a cartoon series). Do you know how I can set up a new "MainPage"? That is, on a blank MediaWiki with no pre-existing templates and such? (not even a "cool looking" one, I mean just the basic fields and such) If you don't want to spend the time it would take walking me through it, can you at least link me to the mediawiki FAQ page that DOES contain these intructions? Thanks. -- 14:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, creating a new Main Page is the same as creating any other page. On MAlf, the Main Page and some templates were created by default once the wiki was activated. For creating a new Main Page yourself, though, it's just a matter of clicking "edit" or "edit this page" and adding the needed info. I can tell you, though, that it may be best to create some template for use on the Main Page, although it certainly isn't required. It's pretty easy to create a template, though: create a page in the "Template" namespace (i.e. "Template:Welcome"). In the template, add the necessary info pertaining to that template (i.e. "Welcome to Batman: The Animated Wiki!"). You may also wish to add some HTML code for the look of the template and its placement on the page; for examples, check out the templates on this page, select the ones whose style you want to copy, and select "edit" to view the source (if you can ... some of them may be protected from editing... in that case, just ask me or another admin what you want to accomplish and we'll help you out... try to anyway :P). To place the template within the page, simply add the name of the template (minus the "Template:" part) surrounded by curly brackets (i.e. "{{welcome}}").
Anyway, that's all the advice I have on creating a Main Page. I hope it helps. If you have anymore questions, though, please don't hesitate to ask and I will try to answer them to the best of my ability. Good luck! :) --From Andoria with Love 17:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Geez... Edit

Nice job cloggIng the Recent Changes page. :D - Adm. Enzo Aquarius...I'm listening 16:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture names Edit

Hey Shran. Please do me a favour and upload these two images here and here with the right name, Richard Sarstedt, instead of the wrong name Steve Carnahan. I've found the proof that these two actors are different persons. Thanks. – Tom 07:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. – Tom 14:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. :) --From Andoria with Love 14:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

ZOT! Edit

Zot is simply a variation of Zap. :)– The Head of the Obsidian Order 02:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was a comic book. :P Anyway, I knew what you meant by it, I was just wondering why it was being used to describe the image. ;) --From Andoria with Love 04:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Because Paris was getting zotted or zapped in the face by the EM discharge. But, some people may not understand what it means, and, when you think of it, the seriousness of the injury he sustained makes such levity (I find the word very funny) inappropriate. So, thanks for changing it. :) – The Head of the Obsidian Order 18:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

MainPage setup helpEdit

Shran, I hate to bother you (I appologize for my lack of a screename; as the saying goes, longtime listener first time caller): I read MemoryAlpha all the time and think its one of the best set-up wikis out there. Currently I have been tasked with setting up a new wiki (it's for a cartoon series). Do you know how I can set up a new "MainPage"? That is, on a blank MediaWiki with no pre-existing templates and such? (not even a "cool looking" one, I mean just the basic fields and such) If you don't want to spend the time it would take walking me through it, can you at least link me to the mediawiki FAQ page that DOES contain these intructions? Thanks. -- 14:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, creating a new Main Page is the same as creating any other page. On MAlf, the Main Page and some templates were created by default once the wiki was activated. For creating a new Main Page yourself, though, it's just a matter of clicking "edit" or "edit this page" and adding the needed info. I can tell you, though, that it may be best to create some template for use on the Main Page, although it certainly isn't required. It's pretty easy to create a template, though: create a page

==My Profile in the "Template" namespace (i.e. "Template:Welcome"). In the template, add the necessary info pertaining to that template (i.e. "Welcome to Batman: The Animated Wiki!"). You may also wish to add some HTML code for the look of the template and its placement on the page; for examples, check out the templates on this page, select the ones whose style you want to copy, and select "edit" to view the source (if you can ... some of them may be protected from editing... in that case, just ask me or another admin what you want to accomplish and we'll help you out... try to anyway :P). To place the template within the page, simply add the name of the template (minus the "Template:" part) surrounded by curly brackets (i.e. "{{welcome}}").

Anyway, that's all the advice I have on creating a Main Page. I hope it helps. If you have anymore questions, though, please don't hesitate to ask and I will try to answer them to the best of my ability. Good luck! :) --From Andoria with Love 17:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah another question Shran: how do I load the "reflist" Template which allows me to insert "<ref></ref>" to create a references/footnotes section? How is that set up? -- 23:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I honestly couldn't tell you. I don't think Memory Alpha uses the reflist template (which just add links). However, there should be plenty of examples at Wikipedia, which I believe uses that technique. Sorry I can't be more help with that. :( --From Andoria with Love 01:20, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi again Shran; thanks for the help; I'm still working on main page and portals though. Anyway, my number of users is spreading like a virus, and I need to promote some of them to Administrator, but I'm not sure how to do that; that is, if there is the three tiers system of Bureaucrat >> Administrator >> Editor (not unlike Founder>>Vorta>>Jem'Hadar), and I'm already a Bureaucrat, how do I promote people to Administrator? -- 22:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
If you click on the Special pages link in the sidebar on the left, and go the the very bottom of the page, you'll see a list of Restricted special pages links. If you're a bureaucrat, one of those links will be Make a user into a sysop. Click on that, enter the username into the input box, and click on the Set user rights button; that'll set the admin flag on that username. Note that you can also make the user into a bureaucrat as well by checking the Set bureaucrat flag box; typically, you wouldn't want to do that. -- Renegade54 23:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
"Make a user into a sysop" Okay, thanks; my mediawiki page physically doesn't have that. Must have set it up wrong or something. Thanks for alerting me to this problem. Good luck guys. -- 00:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Edit

Thanks for correcting my error with the redirect- I guess I need to take more care to look for that sort of thing in the future. 31dot 01:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

No worries, things like that are easily fixed. You are welcome, though. ;) --From Andoria with Love 01:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)--

Re: sorry about the block Edit

No problem. I didn't even notice, though I am retroactively offended! --WhyJoe 04:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Why mention sex? Edit

I see the new sidebar format for performers. Very compact code, which is nice...but I really don't think that listing the actor's sex (or gender, though the correct term when applied to 'male or female' is sex, with gender referring to sociological role) is necessary... unless there is some debate as to that point... take Ms. Mulgrew's voice for example... (I know... 'Bad Obsidian! Bad Obsidian!') :) -- – The Head of the Obsidian Order 17:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

The "gender" part was copied along with the rest of the sidebar from the Heroes wiki. I don't think it's particularly needed, either, but it might be best to bring this issue up at the template's talk page... which I see you already did. :P --From Andoria with Love 00:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Vulcan Edit

That joker you reverted won't give up...might I suggest "protection" for the page until he's dealt with?Capt Christopher Donovan 07:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

He has not done anything since I contacted him on his talk page. If he adds the info a third time, though, I will protect it. --From Andoria with Love 08:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. Sorry I bothered you. I'd actually noticed that you'd already reverted after I left you the note. My bad.Capt Christopher Donovan 12:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Janeway Edit

Dude if u double check i even have a picture of her with Rear admiral pips during nemesis...she is eventually a vice admiral yes but not that soon after coming home from the DQ. If u want i can send u the picture. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Omarstud (talk • contribs).

If you have proof that Mulgrew was indeed wearing rear admiral pips while filming Nemesis, then feel free to change it back, but don't worry about mention a promotion to vice admiral if she has not been seen holding that rank on-screen. --From Andoria with Love 07:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

My Writing Style Edit

What, I wax too poetic?– The Head of the Obsidian Order 14:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

My profileEdit

I just wanted to say thanks for fixing that for me, it was driving me insane!!! Curst Saden 16:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Timeless Episode Comments Edit

While I find the comments from the two anonymous users rather cruel, I do take the point. Jorg told it to me as well: too much storytelling for an encyclopedia entry. I have done two more articles: "Nothing Human" and "Survival Instinct". I hope that these are better. I am striving to find a good balance between encyclopedic reporting and storytelling.

You did well fixing Timeless up, though...:)– The Head of the Obsidian Order 20:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Three More Days!! Edit

Hi Chuck, just wanted to say hi before I come down. Do you want to meet up sometime next week? (Is this allowed? This message has absolutely nothing to do with Memory Alpha. Oh! We can discuss that Mortal Coil AfD on Wikipedia we worked so hard on. Ok, this message is now officially not wasting space or resources as its about Wiki, sort of lol :D) Zidel333 15:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Friendship One/1 Changes Edit

As per my discussion thread here: Talk:Friendship One (episode)#Friendship One/1, shall I go ahead and make the appropriate changes? Just wanted to make sure that was okay before going ahead and making a major change like that. Thanks! - TerranRich 00:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

1995 vs. 2005 Edit

I'm just living in a different decade than everyone else... or something like that. heh -- Renegade54 22:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


And what if he does you non-irc trek-boy? -- Sulfur 01:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Irony Edit

Hating when people leave before you can say goodbye, and then you do exactly the same :( --OuroborosCobra talk 04:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

That was the joke, lad! GAH!!! That frown's supposed to be upside-down, dangumit! :-P --From Andoria with Love 18:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Molly O'Brien Edit

I've posted my own theory as to the "Molly dating" problem over at Talk:Molly O'Brien. I'd be interested in your views. CzechOut | 08:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I shall check it out in a little later. Just passing through right now. :) --From Andoria with Love 18:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The Boothby Article and Vandalism Edit

I was looking at the edit history of this article. You know, I remember the first time I saw that article. That was when it descibed Boothby as a pervert who saw a lot of young cadets cum and he refused to wear condoms etc. etc. I thought, "What the hell?! This character was in TNG?!" I took it seriously! I am glad to see that it was all vandalism by some Neanderthal with nothing to do.
–- I am Eyes Only. 02:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Help with Viewer Edit

Hi, Shran. Long time no speak! :-) I was wondering if you'd be able to provide some input in the layout of the article 'viewer'?! I started off arranging examples of use in chronological order (see the article's ENT section!), but have since begun to wonder if arranging the examples by type of subject would be better - i.e., having sections on the sorts of things being scanned, like "planets", "spacecraft", "spatial anomalies", that kind of thing. Would you be willing to give any advice as to how you think the info would be best arranged? As always, any assistance would be much appreciated. :-) --Defiant 21:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think having it in a chronological order would be best. The way it is now, focused on the history of its use, looks good to me. I would have to give it a little more thought and look over the article more thoroughly later, but at this moment, I think it's fine the way it's coming together now. I'll let you know if I have further thoughts, though. :-) --From Andoria with Love 04:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your response, Shran. I did have doubts over whether the subject-type arrangement would work for the sections about the tactical and engineering viewers, as their appearances seem much less common than the science viewers. I'm just about to start making notes on the uses of the various viewers in TOS Season 3, before I begin pulling the page together and things like layout, etc. will probably become more relevant after that. --Defiant 07:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Enterprise Edit

Recently, I was scanning the Enterprise talk page and saw the little "debate" concerning canon. I then linked over to your archived talk page on the topic. I have to point out that I think it's in very bad taste to to use that Nazi allusion, especially in the very first line. I have to say that regardless of how well thought out one's argument is, I have very little respect for anyone who makes such a pedestrian connection. I really believe you might find this link of interest, pay special attention to the comments made by The Economist. danke sehr, Naufana : talk 04:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC). note- not that this requires a response, but if you wish to please do so on my talk page. Naufana : talk 04:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't personally offended, I'm not ethnically german, but I have taken a few years of german in college and I have developed a sensitivity to such issues. The only real reason I mentioned it, is because you seem to be a very respected editor and I thought it, in some small way, diluted your credibility. It's really funny how often people, well us Americans, use "Nazi" in common conversation. On a lighter note, I was reading how Combs might have been a main character in ENT's season 5, wouldn't that have been fantastic? Easily he was the best recurring actor and he was arguably better than some of the main actors.Naufana : talk 04:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Tomboyish image Edit

*Shakes head* First it was called superfluous, now you call it tomboyish.
Funny. Enzo was the first to see it and liked it where I first put it. I did not think it would be such a problem. I will not get into any foolish edit war, but what I do not get is, what makes my image so bad compared to the two that seem so favored that it cannot be in the sidebar??
Watching... listening... 10:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Whoops. Edit

I forgot that These Are The Voyages was just holographic recreatioins of Enterprise's crew and not the crew themselves. I shall change the T'Pol sidebar top image accordingly.
Watching... listening... 00:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism of T'Pol article. Edit

Twice. Keep the lock on for as long as possible. If it happens again, lock it permanently. Geez.
Watching... listening... 02:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I thank you for your guidance about sidebar images.
  • ONE of their earliest and latest appearances, not THE earliest and latest.
  • Standard uniforms
As for the Torres image, I understand I got the wrong impression. I will not change it. Policy is policy and the policy is sensible.
As for the vandalism of the T'Pol article, I was referring to those two instances that led to the lock in the first place. I put a lot of effort into any contributions I have made (See "Year of Hell" and "Message in a Bottle"), and I really do hate to see someone's carefully crafted work befouled by some Neanderthal.

Watching... listening... 12:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion debate Edit

Since you've been cleaning up the deletion page, I think we've reached an understanding on the United States military insignia discussion since theres been no further comments for the past few days. As it stands, we have agreement to keep the general stars and delete the O-1 insignia. Therefore, could you please delete:

Thank you! -FleetCaptain 16:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The full seven days required before any deletion can occur has not yet transpired. Tomorrow, however, I will be able to delete them. I know nothing's likely to change in that time frame and that there are not likely to be anymore comments added, but I'd like to do things "by the book." ;) --From Andoria with Love 02:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Shran, get on it Edit

Category:Academy Award winners, Category:Academy Award nominees, Category:Emmy Award winners, and Category:Emmy Award nominees.

Shran, get on it. --Alan del Beccio 20:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Dammit Shran, there are not Academy Award winners. --Alan del Beccio 21:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I said in the original suggestion there were no Oscar winners and that we can probably do without that category. Anyways, I'll finish up the cats in a little while if you haven't done it already. --From Andoria with Love 00:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Academy nominees is all done, except for the need for about 10 articles to be written of course. I think that Enzo and Alan threw a few people into the Emmy categories. Not 100% though. Of course, do note that people in the Emmy winners should not also be in the nominees, even if they were nominated and did not win... :) -- Sulfur 00:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
As an aside... I finished populating Emmy winners and nominees based on the Award page listing. Anyone who won an award is only in that category and is not also in the nominee category, even if they won one award and were nominated for 30 others. Just fyi. -- Sulfur 14:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Character sidebar template Edit

Shran, I have started a proposal over in the Ten Forward forum that I would like to get a consensus on and would like to see what you think. I think it would be a great way to standardize the way character sidebars are handled. We have a standard sidebar for actors, episodes, and planets, but not characters. Why is that? Please take a look and see if I have created something that should be implemented or if it's overkill as Alan suggested. --Topher 08:21, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Show Preview Edit

I have always used the "show preview" feature on every edit I make. Nevertheless, I do find that sometimes, despite triple checking before I hit the submit button, I immediately see a problem when I read the text again after it has been submitted. This occasionally leads to an immediate re-edit. But surely it is better to immediately re-edit than to leave an article saying something one doesn't quite intend it to. True editing can, after all, involve multiple passes.

I have also found that when placing pictures, there is often a difference between the way a section looks in preview and what it looks like when the section being filled with pictures is re-integrated into the whole article. This sometimes necessitates an immediate re-edit to get the pictures satisfactorily laid out. Meanwhile, I have found that editing the whole article at once, especially when making an edit that takes several hours to complete, can lead to occasional edit conflicts that then make the edit more complicated than it needs to be. So I do tend to edit sections, then go back over the entire article for one last article-wide "touch up edit".

I imagine that your latest call for me to use the preview button was prompted by the many edits you saw to "The Galileo Seven" article. I did this section by section, and I'm sure that this style of editing left many separate edits in the log.

I should point out as well that I'm editing in an environment where power — and other — interruptions are relatively common. Consequently, I've lost the whole of several changes while making multiple changes to large bodies of text. This has led me to devlop this style of incremental editing on Wikipedia that i carry over to MA.

I apologize if this is causing you inconvenience, but none of it is due to a disuse of the show preview function. CzechOut | 16:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

News item "Visitor on BSG" Edit

Hi Shran. There's a typo in the news item you added about Nana Visitor appearing on BSG. It should read "sixth episode of season 4" not "sixth season of season 4" :o) I tried to edit it to make the correction, but it seems I'm not allowed to make edits to the news portal page. Is it restricted to Admins now? Never used to be the case... Taduolus 11:40, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks!  :) --From Andoria with Love 11:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

User_Talk:Mdsussman#Coalition? Edit

What do you mean by "minor event" in your post I have read it, but I didn't buy the writers' explanation of what "really" happened. It was far too unlikely that people thought for centuries that a minor event which took place in 2155 was actually a major event which took place in 2161. Still, an interesting read. --From Andoria with Love 04:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)? Minor event my pasty white patookie! The damage to Coridan is one major step towards the Romulan War! Did you even read the book!?!?!?!?!?!? --WTRiker 00:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you? Did you even read my comment? :-P In the book, we are led to believe that the founding of the Coalition of Planets is actually the founding of the United Federation of Planets. Comparing the two, the CoP is much less significant in history than the UFP... I believe as much was stated in the book. In other words, a minor event is mistaken for a major event. I was not talking about the Romulan attack on Coridan, I was talking about the founding of the Coaltion being represented as the founding of the Federation. --From Andoria with Love 02:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

New Picard Image Edit

No, I did not upload a new one separately. I just uploaded it over the one that was there before. No, offense. but in that last one... he looked... well... remember high school? Remember that one screw-faced mean-looking teacher or principal? The one who never smiled and always looked like he'd bite your head off if you were late for class by so much as one minute? Kinda like that. Hope you don't mind.:)
Watching... listening... 07:09, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

File:Zoe Saldana.jpg Edit

I put a copyvio on it and listed it on the copyright infringements page. This image should be deleted immediately. It is definitely a copyright violation.
Watching... listening... 21:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

For my Tomboy_comment response... Edit

...See here. :)
Watching... listening... 11:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

ZOT! (Part II) Edit

I see someone else has tried to use it before. *LOL* What is wrong with it?
Watching... listening... 22:31, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Simply put: it's not encyclopedic. :-P --From Andoria with Love 22:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Timeless Episode Summary Edit

I wrote it over. I looked at the discussion page of the article. Apparently one of the contributors wrote it too 'emotionally'. Now I've never seen this 'emotional version', but I have put a mix of flat account narration and storytelling involving drama, similes, metaphors etc. into it. There are some episodes that simply have too much emotion, like this one, to be accurately recounted without some 'emotional' writing. Take a look. I understand you rewrote the 'emotional' version to get rid of the 'excessive emotion'. I hope you do not see the need to do that again. As I said, I think some 'emotional' writing is quite necessary for this episode.
Watching... listening... 06:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

You've got the wrong guy . . . Edit

Just found the following on my talk page:

Whatever was wrong with the images should be fixed now. Try re-uploading your Tessa image. --From Andoria with Love 21:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Not me. In fact, if I had my way, Voyager wouldn't even be canon, per "if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it" policy. *shudder* CzechOut | 21:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletions Edit

Hi Shran,

If possible could you please delete my userpage and user talk page (I didn't have anything of value on there anyway). Due to harassment deletion seems the best course (to stop the pages appearing in google/etc). I'll create a new username in due course. Thank you, Mafeu 23:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Both have been deleted, as it will create a stack of red links across the wiki. However, I've recreated the user page to stop redlinks. -- Sulfur 23:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Dominic Keating and Heroes Edit

Dominic Keating made an appearance on Heroes, and you know more about the Trek Heroes appearances than I do, so if you could add it to his article, I would appreciate it. I handled the Chuck stuff with Tony Todd, Robert Duncan McNeill, and John Fleck. --OuroborosCobra talk 01:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

He appeared last week, too, so it's pretty much already taken care of:
Keating is currently appearing as an Irish crook named Will on NBC's hit series Heroes. Besides series regular Zachary Quinto, TOS stars George Takei and Nichelle Nichols are also appearing on this series.
Thus far, he's probably appeared on-screen for a total of two minutes... in two episodes. I hope he gets more screentime. Hope they bring back Takei, too. --From Andoria with Love 14:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

New Actor Images Edit

You always seem set to pounce when a new image is uploaded from a non-Paramount source, to ask about the legality of its use r.e. if permission was obtained *LOL*. So, take this heads-up from now:

As you requested the last time, I have, on each image's talk page, posted the copyright owner's emailed reply to me authorizing their use. The owner, Mr. Ronald Douglas, likes MA very much.
Watching... listening... 23:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

The Thing That Ate Show Preview Edit

Heya :) As you've been my guide through the perils of Show Preview, I thought I'd come back to you to report a problem that's cropped up today with the submission of articles. Today, I've regularly encountered a conflict edit on each and every submission I've attempted. Show Preview has been unreliable, in that it's tended to show me the previous version of the file. In at least two instances, Show Preview actually behaved as Submit. For instance, it took me five seperate submissions just to correct a problem at Template:mbeta that should never have progressed beyond the Show Preview stage. Whatcha think is goin' on? CzechOut | 07:32, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Renegade54 and a few people from other wikis have reported this problem, as well. Turning off "show preview on first edit" in your preferences should do the trick for now (at least I think that's what they did). If that doesn't work, you should ask Renegade what he did to fix the problem. I'm not sure what is going on with that or why it's doing it, but it is likely just another MediaWiki screw-up that they have to fix. --From Andoria with Love 18:32, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
It's a caching issue that primarily affects you when you use the "show preview on first edit". And yes, turning that off, generally "solves" the issue -- Sulfur 20:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, guys :) That has worked for me today. But, as I've always had "show preview on first edit" checked, I wonder what suddenly made it go haywire? CzechOut | 03:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

A caching error recently cropped up with a config change... or something as such. Thus the recent spate of errors. -- Sulfur 03:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Stub articles Edit

Hey. A question comes to my mind. When I create an article about an actor/ background extra and find no other work he/she appeared in, is this a stub article? I have several sources I've checked out before creating an article. For example Alicia Adams. It seems she only appeared on Star Trek and I find no other source on the web for her. Is this a stub? – Tom 12:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I typically do make it a stub article, because you never know when someone who knows more about that person will come in and add more info. It's certainly not necessary, though; lack of available information is a valid reason to leave the stub off, because it is complete as far as anyone knows (well, mostly anyone). Hope that helps! :) --From Andoria with Love 12:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. – Tom 13:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

The Featured Article Template Edit

Do you not think there should be some sort of protection that allows only administrators to use that template? Right now it seems to me anybody can use it. What is to stop just anybody from slapping it on any article, no matter how crappy it might be?
Watching... listening... 21:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Generally we assume good faith in those sort of situations.--Tim Thomason 18:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

STXI ST08 CastEdit

Per IRC discussion, I believe this would be the most best opening credit listing:











Shades of the TOS opening credits, unless someone (*cough*Bana*cough*) has a problem with the co-starring/also starring sticker.--Tim Thomason 18:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Parenthetical numbers in the recent changes list Edit

Hiya again. It's time for another round of Silly Questions. I've noticed at Recent Changes that sometimes people will have a parenthetical positive or negative number to the right of their names in a log entry. What does it mean? CzechOut | 22:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Ahhh, wait. I think I've got it. It's the number of characters by which the article has changed, isn't it? CzechOut | 22:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, in the "fancy" recent changes, the items in parentheses are the number of characters by which the article was changed. -- Sulfur 22:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Susie Stillwell Edit

Hey Shran. I've worked a bit on her page here and hope this looks now better. I'll hope you support this and keep the images I've worked on (uploaded by her) on this site. I think this is what we really want, performers or production staff members who contribute to this encyclopedia. Their knowledge is important and very helpful. If there is one who is not familiar with the guidelines and policies we have to tell them but with respect. Am I wrong? – Tom 20:50, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

What was wrong with Star Trek: Enterprise? Edit

Could I ask you a question? I have seen the blogs; read the arguments; read the vitriol. And I really must ask: what the hell was so bad about Enterprise? It wasn't great, but, then again, in my opinion, no Star Trek series was 'great'; merely OK television. I have read all kinds of patent nonsense, from Archer being too 'wooden' (whatever the hell that means), to the ship looking too much like an Akira-class ship (So??). I do not know your opinion, but i would like to hear it; if you did not like it, please tell me: what was so bad about this series?
Watching... listening... 00:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I loved Enterprise, although it squandered a lot of potential during its first two years. The good outweighed the bad in my opinion, though. As for "what was so bad" and my opinion of the reasons people say that, read my archived discussion here. --From Andoria with Love 00:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Editing news panel and IRC request Edit

Sorry for not responding to your IRC request, I wasn't paying attention to that window. In the future, a better way to make sure one of us responds is to type out our full name. My client doesn't tell me anything if you just type "Cobra", but if you type out "OuroborosCobra", I get a notification that shows up no matter what I am doing. --OuroborosCobra talk 02:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, ok. Mine's set up to where it alerts me with Shran or ThylekShran. Anyways, it's not that big of a deal, I just felt like being an ass and pretending it was. ;) --From Andoria with Love 02:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

New Article. Please peruse. Edit

I wrote this article because I thought in necessary: Nakan_memorial. Please read it and fix whatever is out of order according to what is needed. Also, I rewrote this one: "Memorial". Please read. Thanks.
Watching... listening... 04:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Recent edit Edit

Any reason why you took my comments out of the discussion "I know the new movie is helmed by Abrams, but" on the Reference Desk? - Quase 13:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I had to look to see what you're talking about. I don't know why, but it didn't give me an edit conflict warning. It does that sometimes. That said, your remark -- that we would "get a shotgun and hunt down J.J. Abrams" -- isn't a very productive answer (it doesn't answer the question at hand) not to mention the fact you're threatening another person. You were likely joking, but either way, it isn't necessary. --From Andoria with Love 19:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Evidently I was joking, let's keep the "are you threatning me/him/her?" paranoia out of the way. You are right, my answer doesn't add much, but I would thank you to leave the consideration of "is it necessary" to the author, and in extreme cases, to the community. - Quase 20:22, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you may have been joking, but paranoia aside... that kind of response just doesn't go over well on wikis and suchnot. It really doesn't. -- Sulfur 23:00, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Sekaya, Chakotay's Apocryphal Sister Edit

Is she not a canon character? Wasn't she mentioned at some point in the series? I am pretty sure she was, so much so that I began looking for which episode. I have not had any luck, so perhaps I am wrong. Am I?
Watching... listening... 13:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Chakotay only mentions his sister in one episode, "Author, Author", she remains unnamed, though. --Jörg 14:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
She could be mentioned under Unnamed Humans (24th century) alongside Chakotay's grandfather. The name is not canon, and should be an italicized background note there. (Hi Shran!)--Tim Thomason 17:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Geez... Edit

I have been upgrading old actor sidebars to the current template. There are a many. What a boring, repetitive task! How do you administrators manage?
Watching... listening... 23:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

redirects to nowhere...Edit

I hope that you're keeping track of those redirects that you're removing, even if they point to nowhere. After all, those are alternate credited names for some of those people. :P -- Sulfur 21:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Not at all. ;) I'm sure Tom or whoever ends up creating the article will re-create the redirects along with them. As you know, though, there shouldn't be any redirects to nowhere on this site. Broken redirects baaaaaad. --From Andoria with Love 21:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


You can delete this if you don't think this comment is proper, but I really appreciate your removal of the unfounded accusations leveled at Jennifer Lien. I'm not a friend (of Lien), and I have no personal stake in the issue, but I did want to say that it showed a rare level of character (for the internet at least) to remove the comment. I know who you are in regards to this wiki, and I wouldn't have edited your change, but I think its great that you understood where I was coming from. Thanks. I think her page is the better for this most recent edit.Hossrex 10:34, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

IRC Edit

Hey Shran! Can you join the IRC chat for a sec? --Jörg 17:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Reminder Edit

Casting director Vic Ramos (Star Wars, Apocalypse Now): 1 September 1930 - 21 October 2007

Writer's Strike and Star Trek Edit

Since you have been updating me and others on Facebook with info on the WGA strike (thanks for that, by the way), I was wondering if you could comment on Talk:Star Trek (film)#Writer's strike, with a source for your information. That way, we can dispel fears by putting a sourced answer in the article. --OuroborosCobra talk 03:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Kawaii Edit

No idea why it was being added, but Wikipedia has an article on kawaii if you are interested. Basically, it is intense cuteness in anime. --OuroborosCobra talk 23:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see. It makes perfect sense now. Whenever I see Neelix, I always think "intense cuteness." ;) -- Pi-ka-chu! From Andoria with Love 04:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Corny image captions Edit

I know. I know. Usually I never put them, but darn it sometimes an image that I find and upload screams such a comment so loudly that I simply cannot help myself. Sorry. :)– Watching... listening... 22:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Novels by Production Staff: Canon or Not? Edit

Say an actual writer or producer like Jeri Taylor, who wrote the Voyager novel "Pathways", or Michael Friedman, who wrote the novelization of the Voyager episode "Day of Honor", writes a Star Trek novel. Since these people were actual production staff who came up with the TV episodes and films, could novels written by them not be considered canon? I hardly think they would write anything that contradicts established screen facts.
Watching... listening... 22:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

All novels are non-canon. There are no exceptions. --From Andoria with Love 22:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Casting Call Edit

Hey Shran, I've posted the Open Casting Call for the new Star Trek two days ago on the talk page for the film. ;o] – Tom 22:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I know, it's been reported for a while, I've just been neglecting to add it to the page or the news. But, hey, better late than never. :-D --From Andoria with Love 22:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
PS: thanks for doing that, btw. :) --From Andoria with Love 22:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Michelle Johnston Edit

Hey Shran. What is your source for the new birthdate? – Tom 21:24, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The same source you had for 1964. ;) (see the Yahoo! Movies link) --From Andoria with Love 21:26, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Dammit, my fault. Sorry. Btw, have you seen the link with the pictures of the background extras of Star Trek? ;o] – Tom 21:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw the pics when they were first posted a few days ago. Very interesting; love how they prepared for spying by wearing trench coats over their costumes. But yeah, those pics are how people found out Jennifer Morrison was in the film – the spy photographers spotted her and took pictures of her. :) --From Andoria with Love 21:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

signature Edit

sorry I didn't mean to

--Captain Chris 07:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Chekov... er... WalterEdit

Read this. -- Sulfur 04:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Check this. Edit

A good laugh. :)
Watching... listening... 06:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Warp Plasma conduits vs EPS conduits Edit

Moved to Talk:Warp plasma conduit.

Star Trek: Nemesis Edit

I would like to ask you: what did you think of Nemesis? I understand that it did not do too well at the box office. I even read somewhere that Lever Burton said it sucked. What do you think. I thought it came across rather like a feature-length TV episode, but I liked it. Not great (as I said before, I do not consider any Star Trek production 'great'), but it was entertaining. The Scimitar I enjoyed especially... MA's article on it in no way conveys the lethality of that ship. What do you think?
Watching... listening... 23:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

A small mistake Edit

Hey Shran, look at your subpage User:Shran/PageII, Phillip Pine will really die on 22 December 2007? How do you know ? ;o] – Tom 19:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Virgin Media to offer Star Trek on demand in the UK Edit

Hey Shran, a news story that you may want to add to the Latest News panel [1]. The broadcaster Virgin Media, which is currently airing DS9 and Enterprise on its flagship digital cable channel Virgin 1 in the UK, has secured the rights to offer Star Trek episodes to UK customers via its on-demand service. All Star Trek episodes broadcast on Virgin 1 will be available for customers to view again on-demand for seven days after broadcast, while subscribers to Virgin Media's more expensive cable packages will reportedly have free any-time access to the entire library of episodes from TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT through the on-demand EPG. Yay! -- Taduolus 22:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Timeless Edit

I read your comments about the "Timeless" summary. I don't understand; what's the problem with injecting a little life into an episode summary? Some folks, like Enzo Aquarius, seem to like it. I hope this is not a problem, because I can't write an episode summary any other way, and I have tried. If it is a problem, then unfortunately I'll have to end my contributions in that regard, something I would hate to do because I enjoy doing it.– Watching... listening... 14:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: Your reply to this post.
Ok. I shall continue my summary contributions. See, this is how I see it: Yes, MA is an encyclopedia. You therefore can't write a summary totally like it's a novel. There should always be an element of dispassionate account. But I also think that a reader would enjoy a good (without going too overboard) retelling of an episode a lot more than just reading a straight report of what happened. Take the scene in Timeless where Kim goes to pieces. Sure you can say "Kim falls apart and blames himself for killing Voyager's crew." But think of that scene. Does that really cover what happened? Or does this: "Kim falls apart. 15 years of guilt and self-loathing boil over in a tide. He turns away, screaming in anguish: "I killed them! They trusted me and I KILLED THEM!" And which one is more interesting to read?
I want that, when a reader finishes, he has a comprehensive knowledge of what happened in the episode, and also had a good time reading what happened. I'm sure you can appreciate that.:)
Watching... listening... 01:41, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Great Fanon Edit

If you like both Babylon 5 and Star Trek: Voyager, I highly recommend you follow this link. It is to an excellent 21-part fanfic crossover between the two.

Let me know what you think.
Watching... listening... 21:33, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Policy pointer Edit

Re:Gorn, from Memory Alpha:Protection policy: The only cases in which an administrator may make changes to a temporarily-protected page are when he is adding a boilerplate message or other, similar notice. Thanks, Cid Highwind 14:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, right. Sorry. :( --From Andoria with Love 21:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Grammar  :P Edit

Thanks for fixing the Colm Meany page. I knew the grammar looked awful, but I had a brain fart or something, and couldn't think of the proper way to phrase it. Hossrex 01:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC) Edit

Hi. About that...
I was just worried that there was an anon-user that wanted to pose as you, a highly respected admin.I meant no offense. --Rom UlanHail 21:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't take any offense, mate. :) You are right, it could have been a poser, and you are right to worry about it. If someone make edits using the 137.155 IP address and claims to be me, though, it most likely is me. If it's not a 137.155 IP address, then please contact an admin to have that person blocked. If it is a 137.155 address and it's not me, then I will simply block the IP and revert that person's edits, if necessary. Thanks for looking out! :) --From Andoria with Love 21:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay then :-). That is what I will do in the future. (sorry for the delay, didn't see that you've replied) :-) --Rom UlanHail 20:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting my, um, "periods"... Edit

Hey thanks for catching that period on the Interspecific reproduction page. Otherwise, I'd have never caught that I was doing the citations incorrectly on MA (my bad I'm an attorney by trade and we always put the citation before the period unless doing a whole citation sentence).

--Icesyckel 20:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Raakin Edit

You brought up another point that I've pointed out at Talk:Persis, how do we know young Raakin was Raakin? --OuroborosCobra talk 10:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I need help Edit

Hey Shran. Perhaps you can help me. On Dennis Madalone's page is a picture which will not appear. I don't know why, tried to fix the link, but it doesn't appear. In the Unnamed USS Voyager personnel article it appears, no problem. Perhaps you have an idea and could fix this? It is this image: File:Voyager science officer, Basics II.jpg. Thanks ;o] – Tom 23:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Season's Greetings Edit

There is a high probability that I shall not be signing on again until at least Jan. 7th, 2008. I'm a teacher, you see. School goes out on Friday December 14th. I'm on going on vacation, spending Christmas with family. I'll be online very little, if at all. So:

May you, your family, your friends, and all whom you care about enjoy a very Merry Christmas and a bright, prosperous New Year, God willing.

God bless.

Watching... listening... 23:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Well thank you very much, and Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you and your's. I hope you enjoy your vacation! :) --From Andoria with Love 00:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

YOU! Edit

Go do your studying or it will be no Star Trek: Enterprise for month :P --OuroborosCobra talk 08:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Awww! No fair!!! Studying is so booooooring and... hey, wait a sec. Enterprise hasn't been on for two and a half years! Whose antenna are you trying to pull here, eh? ;) --From Andoria with Love 08:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Ummmm... No Trek XI maybe? I dunno... hopefully it'll be a bad thing to miss it.  :P Can't really say having missed Nemesis would have sucked. /diatribe – Hossrex 09:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

... Edit


--Bp 00:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Are these pictures allowed on MA? Edit

Hey Shran. I've went through some pictures and found these ones. Uploaded by admins, so far I recognized. Do we have permission to use them here?

File:Mona Grudt.jpg


File:Stephen Root.jpg

Hope I don't bother you. Thanks. – Tom 04:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The images for Grudt and Dooley appear to qualify as fair use. The Root image, on the other hand, is a publicity image belonging to NBC. I don't think we can use that one. I could be wrong, but I don't think it's allowed (or needed, really). --From Andoria with Love 04:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Something for the News section Edit

Hey Shran. Perhaps you could add to the main news section, that William Shatner is again nominated for a Golden Globe Award for best performance by an actor in a supporting role in a series, mini-series, or motion picture made for television for his role as Denny Crane on Boston Legal. Thanks. – Tom 01:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The Comment you left me. Edit

I'm sure you noticed it was by accident and that I fixed it back myself. So I don't understand why you left the message.

Contradictions Edit

And lastly, why the hell are you treating Enterprise as if it's the only Trek series to contradict other shows? Every Trek series and film contradicts something from another Trek series or film

I just had to say, I couldn't agree more with this statement! It is generally the reaction I have when people dismiss TAS as "obviously non-canon" because it "contradicts" the other shows. - General Grant 01:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

TAS is a bit harder to reconcile with live-action canon, but I don't think that should be a reason to say it's non-canon. The fact that Gene Roddenberry didn't consider it canon might be a good reason, though. ;) But, yeah, to say something isn't canon because it contradicts something else is just ridiculous, I think. There was a time when I thought TAS was just way too contradictory to fit within the Trek universe, but I've come to realize all the series contradict in each in several different ways. TAS is still a cartoon, though, so I only consider it as "possibly canon." :) --From Andoria with Love 12:02, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Sure, but Gene also thought Star Trek V & VI (or portions there of) were apocryphal, so I'm not sure how much weight I put into that, though I do understand those who do. Given that TAS was a POORLY animated series I can see treating it with slightly different standards than the live action shows, but I've never seen any reason to completely discount it. Of course, I may be biased because I remember a time when TAS was the only new Trek out there (Damn, my age is showing! lol) It is nice to see that you keep a somewhat open mind about it. It bugs me a bit when people dismiss it completely out of hand. -- General Grant 13:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Yo Edit

Where you at The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Yo! I'm here. Um... why? :P --From Andoria with Love 16:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

chat Edit

If you're here, please join the chat for a sec. --Jörg 08:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Sharon Edit

Have any nice Sunday dresses, Sharon? --OuroborosCobra talk 01:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

SILENCE! I kill you!!! --From Annoyance with Love

Thanks for the link fix, I had a question... Edit

Can't find the PM option, so I guess I'm supposed to use this?

Anyway, thanks for fixing those link I added, I was wondering how do I change the yellow text at the top of the page?

I didn't see the instructions for that in the help page... Thanks. The preceding unsigned comment was added by JoeCool (talk • contribs).

Note to myself and others: I replied to the above on JoeCool's talk page. --From Andoria with Love 03:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I still can't find away to PM or at least reply in the right page, so sorry I keep coming to this page.

Anyway, in your edit you said the pitcher plant was not sentient, but in the page on the organism it says this:

"The creature showed signs of great intelligence and cunning; not only would the field influence the minds of the crew to accept the illusion, it falsified the ship's sensor readings to support the illusion. However, should one or more crew members not share the particular desire on which the illusion was based, they would be unaffected, and as the ship approached the creature, would become aware of the danger and alter course away. But, in such a case, the creature would manipulate the crew into restraining those members, keeping them from interfering."

That's clearly a sentient creature. (JoeCool 03:04, 29 December 2007 (UTC))

Ah, ok. In that case, I agree. :) Sorry about that. --From Andoria with Love 03:09, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem, also I was wondering abot that "*"...

Why does the Space Ameba have it?

It says that most of that species is sentient... the Space Ameba is just an ameba lol!

It's not sentient at all.

I think that * should be removed, what do you think...

Also is this how people talk to eachother on this kind of site, I usually post on forums, with PM etc; not sure if I'm supposed to posting on this page?

P.S. why is your post indented? How do I do that?((JoeCool 03:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC))

Posting on this page is fine; that's what it's here for, so long as it's related to Memory Alpha. :) To indent, just add a colon at the beginning of your comments. The more colons you add, the further the comment will be indented. Indenting is a way to organize talk page comments to better tell who is speaking; posters should use the same number of indents they started the discussion with (in your case and in the case of this discussion, that would be zero; for me, it would be one; if someone else joined this discussion, they would indent twice).
As for the space amoeba, I really don't think it makes a difference whether or not we point it out on that page as non-sentient, but it would probably be best to bring it up on that article's talk page.
Also, there's really no need to to separate each sentence as you do. It would be easier to read if you just write in normal paragraphs, as you would on a report. Just letting you know. ;) --From Andoria with Love 04:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Also I suck at writing report, lol... I usually break by sentences up when I post, always thought it was easier to read that way, anyway thanks for the tip.

Also, I was wondering why it doesn't say Shran for you where it says JoeCool for me? Wasn't Shran that Andorain plated by the guy from ReAnimator?

I loved that movie, well I'm etting off topic... JoeCool 05:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

My signature says "From Andoria with Love" because that is what I have for my "nickname" in my Preferences. To change your signature name, simply click "my preferences" in the top right corner of the page. On the "user profile" tab (it should already be selected), type in what you want your nickname to be in the "nickname" section. And that's it. :)
And yes, Shran is the Andorian played by the guy from Re-AnimatorJeffrey Combs. Great movie, terrific actor. :) --From Andoria with Love 07:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

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