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Woo-hoo!! Much obliged! :) --Shran 02:05, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Hey! We collided on adding "Broadcast order". Thanks for the help. It would be nice if there were a separate browser for it at the bottom of the episode pages, as well, but I don't feel like doing that now. Jm307 03:29, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

No problem, saw what you were doing and thought you could use a hand. Glad I could help. :) --Shran 03:31, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Shran, while I appreciate trying to keep pure opinion off the page, the supplemental notes on Riker's combat record were based purely on on screen evidence. All of the incidents discussed include examples seen in other episodes and films supporting that there were clearly much better options at Riker's disposal. As for the italic tag, it seemed necessary to point out that the writers were more to blame for this phenomenon than the character. In regards to Riker's birthdate, listing the year seemed a better alternative than stardate. Given the inconsistency in the system between Kirk era and Next Generation this seemed necessary. If one considers that Star Trek VI happenned around stardate 9300, the 12000 some odd stardate would make Riker sixty-nine years old at the beginning of Star Trek: The Next Generation. --HaganeNoKokoro

The notes may have been based from on-screen evidence, but they were still a matter of personal opinion. Just because one person thinks that Riker acted poorly or could have done something better does not mean others also think that way; that is personal bias. Adding opinion to the article as fact is not acceptable. As for the stardates, we have no way of knowing exactly how stardates work; however, I do agree that a birthyear is better than a stardate, although I do believe the stardate listed was revealed on-screen, making it canon. --From Andoria with Love 23:42, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I was right: the stardate is from TNG: "Future Imperfect". It's canon. --From Andoria with Love 23:45, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Shran rocks so much I had to let u know at the top of ur talk page. 12:20, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC) Lmao I was like where'd my comment go. That's funny moving it up like that.

None taken. I agree whole-heartedly. :) --From Andoria with Love 12:25, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Please don't "blank" pages. If you see a page that needs to be immediately deleted for whatever reason, don't blank it -- post it on Memory Alpha:Pages for immediate deletion. If, by chance, it contains inappropriate content, remove said content and, again, post for immediate deletion -- this is, of course, unless an admin gets to it first. --Gvsualan 04:48, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) In addition (and alternatively), if the page is spelled wrong, move it to the correct spelling with the "move" option at the top of the page. --Gvsualan 04:51, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I'll remember that in the future. And thanks for the quick lesson. :) --Shran 04:56, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

One more thing, please use the "show preview" before making your final save, as this prevents constant editing and multiple saves. In doing so, you help reduce the database load. Again, many thanks. --Gvsualan 09:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I know, I try to do that but I keep forgetting, and then when I read the article, I see there's something that is either incorrect or can be worded better. I'll try to be more careful in the future, though. --Shran 09:59, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I noticed that you were working on the Lwaxana article. I just posted a completely rewritted article. User:Odwer Myrox

Hey, how come I didn't get a welcome message? I join, and the first thing I get is "don't blank pages!" Everyone else go a welcome message! No fair! *pout* I kid, natch. --Shran 16:26, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Dont worry, I didnt get one either, I got a message to clean up images I uploaded. --AmdrBoltz 19:31, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Aw, that's not fair. I say we protest! "Hey, no, we won't go!" Eh, or not. I wasn't really all that concerned about it; as I said, I was merely kidding. Still, would have been nice... --Shran 19:34, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
If you think that's bad, read the first time my Talk page was used. Ironically, it was also Gvsualan who complained about me misusing the software. --Zeromaru 18:01, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I got a similar message from the same person. Oh, well. Guess we just like to learn things the hard way. ;) --Shran 20:33, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about the London reference. I wasn't fully aware of the rules concerning Star Trek canon. User Talk:Imperator

I think we need to talk about this page in a civilized manner so i can present my case --Kahless 06:29, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC) If you really want to discuss it i did provide my AIM adress since the admin isn't being discussive it seems.--Kahless 06:46, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Tnx for the comments I try adding stuff Like the stuff i did in the Worf article to slowly expand, but i believe the stretching link ein the data table for your user page suucks wierd so i like fixing them up, and of course teawking is fun.--Kahless 16:46, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Category:Nonhumans Edit

Hey, is this an actual category that was agreed upon? --AmdrBoltz 19:18, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I thought it was, but I don't believe it is now. Sorry, that was a mistake on my part. --Shran 19:22, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Its OK, just wondering, it was quite unspecific. --AmdrBoltz 19:23, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
You racist, stop trying to act like humans are the center of the universe. Your as bad as the writers.

Trials & Tribble-ations Edit

You're right. When I thought Enterprise-E, I thought "E, fifth letter, fifth Enterprise". I had not forgotten of Picard's second ship, I forgot Kirk's first. But thanks for letting me know. --Zeromaru 17:51, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Will My Madness Never End?Edit

Just wondering, is there a limit to the amount and type of information I put on my user page? Also, I know there's an appropriate place for this question somewhere around here, but I've plum forgotten where it was (he says in cheesy English accent). --Shran 21:13, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Text mostly doesn't make any difference. Pictures do, however. But, it seems like userpages are mostly overlooked. For example, Tough Little Ship has loads of pictures. zsingaya 21:17, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Sweeeeeeeet! Thanks a bunch! :) --Shran 21:19, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

1701 Timeline Edit

hey that was a pretty smooth timeline--Noahmj 05:21, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate the feedback. :) --Shran 05:23, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)

(Re:"Galactic Political Powers") Thanks, was just then looking for that boilerplate. ;-) - AJHalliwell 06:13, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

lol, Fun little game of delete-tag there. Sorry about the confusion. -AJHalliwell 23:08, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Deletion tagEdit

Please don't simply remove deletion tags from articles. Coalition of Planets currently is listed as a candidate for deletion, so the tag has to stay. Thanks. -- Cid Highwind 01:07, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Better luck next time blue skin ;-) Interesting User Page, kudos. - AJHalliwell 08:09, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

"Nemesis" episode article help Edit

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on this page, it took me ages to write the summary for it! zsingaya 09:14, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Hi Edit

How are you?

  • Hello, Mumathul. I'm fine, thank you for asking. And yourself? --Shran 08:38, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Bored and tipsy. Sorry for creating "Mourn". Dont you agree that Morn is the best Trek character EVER?Mumathul 08:44, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)
  • Can you leave one of those welcome thing like i got when I was anon IP? My talk page is empty :-( Mumathul 08:46, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • I love all Trek character, especially Morn. Dunno if I can say he is the best. And don't worry about making a few mistakes when you start out here. I made quite a few myself. Anyways, I welcome you to Memory Alpha, but I'll post a welcome message on your talk page for ya, as well. :) Enjoy! --Shran 08:49, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Go to sleep its 5amMumathul

Oh and thanks, ima sleep now. Sorry for stupidity Mumathul 08:53, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • No problem. And what is this thing you call "sleep?" ;)--Shran 08:57, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Axanar tag, your it. lol, that was dizzying. - AJHalliwell 09:21, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Kirk PageEdit

Noticed that you made 11 edits to the Kirk page over the course of an hour and a half or so. Just wanted to remind you to use the 'Show Preview' button where possible, as it helps get rid of unneccasary edits, and by extension, cuts down on server load. Thanks! Mask 20:23, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Harry JohnsonEdit

You don't get it, do you? It was vandalism. ;) --Alan del Beccio 08:01, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Hey Harry, try to hold off on editing pages when I'm doing merges because whatever you do to it will be superceded in all the reverts and such that are involved in what I have to do. So I'm not sure what you did to Unnamed Humans, but you might have to add it again because I saved after you and I'm pretty sure I deleted whatever you added because it didnt tell me that there was an edit conflict, which usually means whatever you did was ignored. --Alan del Beccio 05:16, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Hey Edit

Great job on the recent actors pages. Also, like the "current memory alpha rank" thing (on yer userpage), I'm stealing it :D (That's not based on any official thing is it? Assume you just made it up- lol.) - AJHalliwell 01:35, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)


Looking for a screen cap for Mullibok? I'd suggest looking at TrekPulse to see if you can find a screen cap to your liking. They don't have every DS9 episode yet but they do have the complete 1st season including "Progress". If there's none to your liking, I'd suggest trying Trekdnes. Those are always the first two places I check for screen caps.--T smitts 18:21, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll check up on that. :) --Shran 19:38, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Future Guy Edit

Hi there. Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why you reverted my edit of Future Guy where I mentioned Doctor Claw.

You know, I really don't remember clearly, but I may have done it because I thought you were just messing around (i.e. trolling or vandalism). I had never heard of the reference, nor did I find anything about when researching for it online. However, if you genuinely believe it's true, I'll leave it be (spelling & grammar errors not withstanding ;). In that case, sorry about that, and thanks for contributing! :) --Shran 10:36, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Star Trek Births and Deaths Edit

Thanks for helping search on the Star Trek birthdays and Star Trek deaths articles. I didn't think anyone else would do that, and I was pleasantly surprised to find that it was continued.--Tim Thomason 11:50, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I don't want to run into any editing conflicts, so if you want, you can go and finish up October or November. I'm going to find something else to do for a while.--Tim Thomason 12:22, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I'll go ahead and start on October.--Tim Thomason 12:33, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Molly O'BrienEdit

I've been reading what you've written about Molly and her amazing growth spurt. The only other cases I know of of children growing up on Star Trek are Alexander Rozhenko and Naomi Wildman. For Alex, we can presume his Klingon DNA rapidly increases growth, and probably the same for Naomi with her Ktarian heritage. I've never got over the growth of Molly. How did she age 4 years in one? Come to think of it, I've not seen many very young Human children (under the age of about 4) on any Star Trek series'. I know there is probably some legal reason why young children can't be used on TV, but this still doesn't explain Molly's growth spurt. Wouldn't it be extremely unlucky for Molly to go through two time-portals before she was even 4? And, wouldn't the O'Briens be saying "Oh, no, not again!", rather than "Oh my god, what's going to happen to our daughter?", when she fell through the portal that we actually know about. zsingaya 19:32, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Not necessarily, at least not if the entire family had got caught up in the first temporal anomoly or whatever. (Perhaps they were returning from a trip in a runabout or something). In other words, it didn't happen just with Molly, but with all three of them. If that was the case, then the O'Briens wouldn't have viewed the first incident as something bad happening to Molly, because they spent those two years of her life with her and actually watched her grow and they were able to be with her, unlike the second incident in "Time's Orphan". Only the crew of the Enterprise and others would notice that something odd had occured when the O'Briens returned from whatever anomoly they were trapped because, to them, only a few moments would have passed, although the O'Briens perceived they had been gone for nearly two years. --From Andoria with Love 20:39, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
It could also be something transmitted to her from her mother in Rascals, where Keiko was youth-a-sized and Molly aged two years. Its pretty much TNG's fault. Tough Little Ship 20:46, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I haven't really thought a lot about it, but what about the events in TNG: "Timescape"? Would that make any sense, chronologically? Shanok 05:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Stating the nature of the editing emergency... HELP! Edit

Okay, it's not really an emergency, but it's something that I've been trying to figure out for some time. Could somebody please tell me how to place the "Reverted edit of yadayadayada, changed back to last version by yodayodayoda" message in the edit summary without having to type all that out? It would be greatly appreciated; thanks! --From Andoria with Love 14:52, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know, you don't. Reverting pages by clicking just one link is one of the small and few privileges administrators have, and that automatic edit summary is a part of it. Perhaps the tool presented on User:Memory is something for your needs? -- Cid Highwind 15:32, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I see, it's an administrator thing. That makes sense. I'll take a look at Memory's page, too. Thanks! :) --From Andoria with Love 15:51, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Monobook.js pageEdit

Urrm... do you do alot of reverting? If so, couldn't you simply make one node "rv:", and then type in the username? Otherwise you'll be there forever writing nodes for every user on MA. And, what about the large number of anon users? In fact, doesn't Memory's page have that as one of the default nodes? Just curious... :-) zsingaya 19:48, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I have no idea. I'm tired and I was bored. The two combined can lead to me doing some very stupid things. :-þ --From Andoria with Love 20:12, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I'm not that bothered, mate, I'm no Admin. I just saw what you were doing and thought you were probably having a rough day! zsingaya 20:24, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
LOL! I wouldn't call it rough, just... blah. ;) --From Andoria with Love 20:26, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Great HallEdit

The Great Hall is the place where the Klingon High Council meets isn't it? Just double checking before I start the article. Tough Little Ship 16:01, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I started it, but my TNG knowledge is limited. Maybe you can add the TNG info. There was also a Great Hall at Qam-Chee so will I create another article called Great Hall (Qam-Chee)? Tough Little Ship 16:17, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

The captain categoryEdit

Can I help you cat some other captains? Tough Little Ship 16:22, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Commander category?Edit

Is there one? Tough Little Ship 22:11, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

_\\// LLaP Edit

Not really important at all, but for yer info on Kes's presumed death, it should be noted Tanis lived into his teens or even his twenties if I remember right. I believe he said that Ocampans that use their telepathic powers can live longer. So maybe make a note she may still be alive out there ;-) Seeya 'round blue skin. - AJHalliwell 04:53, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I completely forgot about Tanis. Then again, it's been several years since I saw the ep, and even then it was only once, so yeah. Anyways, I'll make a note on it. Thanks a lot, pink skin! :)

Category:Starbases Edit

OK, I stopped after eight, with twelve more undone. Do you want me to rv everything back? --Perfecto 04:34, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

No, just leave it as it is, the admins will deal with it if they feel the need. One question, though, before you created the Starbase category, do you know if was it already located in the Categories list? --From Andoria with Love 04:39, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
It wasn't. There's a list though at Federation starbases though only Starbase 257, Starbase 234 and Starbase 173 are currently linking back. Aren't categories better than lists?? How do we distinguish between making a list or a category? --Perfecto 04:48, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I personally cannot answer that coherently at this hour. My best description be to say the categories divide articles while lists merely list and link articles. (See? Told ya I wouldn't be coherent). However, you should find a better answer here, at least regarding categories. --From Andoria with Love 04:52, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Re: Episode SummariesEdit

Thanks so much for your comment on my Talk page, I was a bit scared you'd hate it and tell me to leave your work alone! For "These Are the Voyages...", is it the whole summary, only the top summary, or just the section that has been divided into teaser/act 1 that needs reworking? --Defiant | Talk 19:29, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Cuts in Hey, great work to both of you on the summary. But, and I dunno if you know this or not, but "seated at a console near the Enterprise tactical station", refers to the Engineering station. I dunno if it was intended to just mention it, or if ya didn't know, but it is. ;-) Good work blue skin and Defiant, for who i don't have a nickname. - AJHalliwell 19:40, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Oooh, good catch, pink skin. I wasn't sure about it myself. I'll let Defiant handle it, though, so as not to conflict with any edits he may do. And thanks for the compliment, I greatly appreciate it. :) --From Andoria with Love 19:44, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I knew that. Although I didn't even see this discussion, I added it to the summary! --Defiant | Talk 22:41, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Again, thanks for your comment. One question - is your work on "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II" also from memory, or do you have access to that episode... somehow? Unfortunately, my contributions to "These Are the Voyages..." will have to wait - I'm going to sleep! --Defiant | Talk 23:49, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity - are you going to finish the summary for "These Are the Voyages...", or are you just planning on leaving it uncompleted? --Defiant | Talk 18:00, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

About TATV, I see that you wrote on the Nominations page, "Defiant and myself are still in the progress of writing the episode's summary. Also, many pics are still needed."
I think it would be better if you completed the article before I help, if you still want my assistance. Also, if you have any ideas for images for the summary, just contact me on my Talk page because I have the tools to make screen caps. However, I find choosing suitable images the hardest part of creating episode summaries, so if you have any ideas...
I plan to continue writing "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II". Good luck with "These Are the Voyages..." --Defiant | Talk 19:09, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Note to self... Edit

Update pages for Brock Peters and Salome Jens, and don't forget to complete act two of "These Are the Voyages...". --From Andoria with Love 15:32, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Scotty's Memory Problem Edit

Thanks for the acknowledgement for the above. It took me a while to assemble a decent list and came back more than once to remember one I'd suddenly thought of.

As for the explanation of Scotty's memory in "Relics", I know of a somewhat similar explanation. I wish I could take credit for it but I read it in one of Phil Farrand's beloved Nitpicker's Guides.

Okay, so Scotty suspends himself in the Jenolen's transporter. 75 years later, when the Enterprise-D away team finds his pattern intact except for a point-zero-something percent signal degredation. It's possible those few points included memory engrams that included what occurred on the fateful maiden voyage of the Enterprise-B. Of course, once it comes back to him, or he gets around to looking up some historical records, the sobering reality that his longtime captain is dead returns. What do you think?--T smitts 05:54, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Yet another suggestion I hadn't thought of. I'll add it to the bottom of the section (giving credit to you and Farrand, of course). Thanks for the feedback! :) See you... out there! --From Andoria with Love 06:03, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I always thought the most likely explanation was he'd been in a transporter buffer for about a hundred years and was old anyway - he came out confused and missing gaps in his memory. Didn't he realize they were using different uniforms?

Then again, Starfleet does change its uniformsa lot. --The Rev 17:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I actually have to agree with The Rev. that his explanation is the most likely one. However, your explanation is nice too except for the fact that even if Starfleet had denied Kirk use of the Enterprise-A, he'd probably have stolen it anyway like he did with the NCC-1701.--lifeisharsh20

random chatter Edit

Hey, how ya doin blue skin? Great job on the Actors and TATV recently. Just wondering if you take requests, and do the Shran-rewrite on "Lawrence Montaigne"; also, didn't notice but, we have the same birthday-- cool, lol. - AJHalliwell 05:16, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • Very nice! Now if I could find a pic of him as Stonn. Thanks alot! See, we need more "social" things on MA, like a message board or something (we have something like it; but it's for policy only I think) And I'll have an all expense-paid trip to Risa this winter... ;-) - AJHalliwell 06:16, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • Oh boy. You kids and your free time... Hey, if you get a free moment, could you look over a few of the categories I suggested at Memory Alpha:Category suggestions, just to help get the ball rolling on those? Thanks! --Alan del Beccio 05:57, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Constitution class Edit

Hi there. May I ask why you reverted my edit of the Constitution-class page? Ottens 11:52, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Actor vs. actress Edit

Voice your opinion in ten forward rather than taking the matter into your own hands

My apologies about that. With the exception of the discussion on your talk page, I was unaware that the topic was being discussed in Ten Forward unitl I got to that point in the Recent changes. However, as I had already reverted the majority of them, I went ahead and reverted them all. If the community is in favor of the term "actor" to encompass both male and female performers, we have bots that can change the words; you don't have to go through each one yourself. ;) --From Andoria with Love 23:23, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

To avoid an edit war see: Memory Alpha:Ten Forward. - AJHalliwell 23:20, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Umm...must of been'a typo :-) - AJHalliwell 04:38, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

  • you guys still going on about this? ;) --Alan del Beccio 04:43, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Edits Edit

sry about the rapid edits, my computer is crapping out Jackinthecrack 04:01, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Oy, boy, I know that feeling... --From Andoria with Love 04:03, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

but why did he protect it, it says see talk page. the problem is the current version is biased and not an encyclopedia entry. Jackinthecrack 04:06, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

theres a temporary page since u apparently dont like my edits u coulda just said so on the talk page Jackinthecrack

I think I'm alone now... Edit

I think I'm the only Archivist logged on right now. It's lonely. I'm scared. Waaaah. Okay, not really. I don't mind holding the fort for a while. Hey, someone's gotta be here to counteract any vandalism. :D Now if I can just stop talking to myself... --From Andoria with Love 08:07, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Actually, talking to yourself is fine. You're only considered crazy if you start talking back to yourself. --From Andoria with Love 09:01, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Oh, good! *whew* I was worried there for a while. :) --From Andoria with Love 09:02, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Note to self Edit

Update Robert Beltran. --From Andoria with Love 10:26, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)


Now that the episode summary is complete, do you still want a rewrite? --Defiant | Talk 14:10, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Just a note -- completed Act Two. --Defiant | Talk 17:06, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)


I'd be curious to know what seasons of Trek (if any) you have one DVD. I'm trying to find out who here is capable of making screen caps.--T smitts 20:55, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I do not have the technological know-how (or the resources) to make screen caps. Also unfortunate is that the only Treks I have on DVD are the seventh season of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and the film Star Trek: Nemesis. Everything else - the entire run of Enterprise, TNG, and TOS and several episodes of DS9 and Voyager and the previous nine films - are all on VHS. I'm hoping to get more on DVD once I get the money. :( --From Andoria with Love 21:03, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • Well screen caps are easy enough to make with the right program (I can tell you were to get it for free if you're interested) but if you don't have DVD's or can't play them on your PC, oh well. (P.S. Any plans to update the "Live Long and Prosper" section on the other page soon?)--T smitts 21:29, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. ;) As for the "LLAP" section, I will probably update it sometime this weekend. --From Andoria with Love 23:01, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
There's a guy on the IMDb Trekkers forum who claims to own every Trek DVD released, and is taking requests for screencaps: HaganeNoKokoro 19:39, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Immediate DeletionsEdit

I originally placed the Spectre articles onto the Immediate deletion page, but removed them when I realized that so-called "non-canon" articles aren't covered. The discussion page specifically says that they should be listed on VfD and are not "immediate" deletions. You then moved them to PfID, and Captainmike started deleting and merging the pages, as per my suggestion. Should there be a policy change or something? It's not a big deal, I just didn't want to get in "trouble," and then everyone just did what I thought was against policy.--Tim Thomason 01:25, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Klingons and Terra Edit

I noticed you reverted my edit on the Earth article. I don't know if you have ever read a copy of the Klingon dictionary, but "Earth" is translated as "Terra" and "humans" are called "terrans" in Klingon. I know, on the show they never called earth terra and humans were just humans, but as far as I could hear, they were speaking English at the time.... --Admiral Martin I 13:16, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Sadly, the Klingon dictionary, like all other Trek books (including reference guides), are non-canon. Only on-screen references are allowed on Memory Alpha. However, you can add an italicized note at the bottom of the Earth or Klingon article stating what the dictionary says, just don't go overboard with it. ;) --From Andoria with Love 15:22, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Memorium table Edit

Can you take out the third slot, it looks like your waiting for someone to die 1985 04:56, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I think I fixed the problem now; please tell me if it's still there. And thanks for bringing it to my attention. ;) --From Andoria with Love 05:05, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
This might just be one of those weird Opera things, but here is what I see:
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Maybe there is no fix for it, Operas weird sometimes. 1985 05:11, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Holy crap! It doesn't look like that on IE. I've also looked at the editing page and I really don't see what else could be causing the problem. Sorry 'bout that. --From Andoria with Love 05:16, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Its okay, you can make it up to me by ditching IE. :-P 1985 05:19, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, can't do that, man. (Actually, technically speaking, I've already ditched IE -- I'm actually using AOL Explorer to browse the web. It's basically the same thing, except that it doesn't screw up all the time.) Anyway, lemme take a look on IE to make sure the problem isn't there. ;) --From Andoria with Love 05:23, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Nope, no problem there. Sorry, but I don't know what else to do. Just know that there isn't a third slot there. ;) --From Andoria with Love 05:25, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

As a Firefox user, I have to agree - there is no third slot. However, Shran doesn't look as pretty from over here:

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Damn - IE's actually superior for once. --Schrei 05:31, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but again, I don't think there is anything I can do to fix it. I tried increasing the space between the Memoriam table and the image of Shran, but I don't think that will help. Perhaps there is some way to adjust the settings on your respective browsers? --From Andoria with Love 05:39, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I don't know what the deal is with Opera, but on Firefox, apparently it's the screen resolution (1024) and the particular layout that are clashing. If I make my screen just a little bit thinner, it looks fine. It's probably not worth worrying about. --Schrei 05:44, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

No, IE is not superior, the code on Shran's page is just inadequate, but IE is so FUBAR that it doesn't show what the code says, but Opera does. Because English isn't my language I won't make much words and edit your user page, hope you don't hunt me with that chainsaw ;-) (btw: this has nothing to do with Oprah Winfrey... [and don't forget to nominate it for deletion]) --Test 20:10, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Rank QuestionEdit

I've become familiar with most of the features of this site but I'm curious what exactly is one's MA rank (I'm guessing MA = Memory Alpha) and how do you get one/find out what it is?--T smitts 01:32, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Do you realize how many people you've confused with this? ;-) AJHalliwell 02:17, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
You can add one more... What do you guys think of using the same principle as wikipedia's barnstars with pips and medals. That would be cool. Rcog 00:57, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Re: RankEdit

Thanks for the info. I'll have to decide that later. And yes, I got your message about posting in the subpage for that list. As a matter of fact, I'm working on my own subpage here which should be worth looking at once it's done. I wanted a place to post my own lists and speculations without giving up my schtick as the user with the red signature.--T smitts 02:22, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

One other thing. Edit

Maybe you can help me with this. I'm just looking for an image anywhere on the site of someone looking shocked, horrified, enraged, or disgusted. Any ideas?--T smitts 02:36, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Yes. I know about that one. I just uploaded it a few minutes ago. Thanks anyway, though.--T smitts 02:51, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Just thought I'd let you know my new subpage is open for business (but still under construction!)--T smitts 13:32, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

re: Redirects for (immediate?) deletionEdit

Hi. Regarding your question about the deletion of unused redirects... In the past, we often deleted redirects immediately, although there already was a policy stating that redirects should be deleted only if they are offensive, senseless or make searching too difficult (because they may be very useful otherwise, even if not linked to at the moment). After some discussion, we decided to finally adhere to that policy and the following note was added to the Deletion policy to clarify:

Redirects are immediate deletion candidates only in cases described on Help:Redirect. In all other cases, redirects to be deleted should be listed on Memory Alpha:Votes for deletion.

-- Cid Highwind 09:56, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Ah, I see now. I missed that. Sorry. :( Anyway, I moved it to the Vfd page - was that the correct action to take in this case? --From Andoria with Love 10:02, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

No need to apologize - and yes, that was the correct action. :) -- Cid Highwind 10:10, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Woo-hoo! I did something right, lol! Oh, and thanks for letting me know about the whole policy thing. :) --From Andoria with Love 10:14, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Doh Edit

Put an e-mail address into MA, ya lousy bum - how else is the "E-mail this user" button supposed to work? :P I have something non-canon to discuss (ooh, suspense!). --Schrei 10:30, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Done. It may take a little while for me to respond, though, because I need to scan my comp for spyware & adware b4 I log into Hotmail. --From Andoria with Love 10:54, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I'm actually away from home on a different computer, but thanks for the welcome anyway blueskin. ;-) And finally, I need to email you during vandal attacks. - Pink skin

It took me a minute to realize what you were talking about, and for a sec, I was worried someone had logged onto my account and was screwing around. I see now you were talking about the welcome I gave the anon user, like, yesterday, I think. I didn't realize that was you, though. Well, welcome, anyway, pink skin! ;-) Oh, and I've changed my preferences so other users should now have the ability to e-mail me. --Blue skin


I think the things Trip was using were either plasma relays or plasma taps -- basically the future equivalent of an industrial sized electrical outlet -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk 13:28, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Can somebody help me? Edit

Does anybody know a better way to list my contributions without taking up so much space on my user page? Any help would be greaty appreciated. --From Andoria with Love 11:51, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I've been watching what you've been doing. I'm going to try and put a table in somewhere on my page, to see if I can get it looking good. I know there's someone here with tables and boxes and stuff, so it sometimes helps looking around at what other people do. Good luck! Zsingaya 11:56, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Maybe something like I've just done on my userpage, this seems to take up much less space. Not sure if I like it yet. What do you think? Zsingaya 12:27, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Star Trek parodiesEdit

Wasn't there a Simpsons episode that featured Star Trek XII: So Very Tired? Tough Little Ship 10:15, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)

User picEdit

And the comment i left there holds true -- I've always thought your user pic was fairly amusing...

and it is good to have a talk page interaction that doesn't involve swearing or insults -- i was starting to think that MA wasn't a friendly place anymore, thanks (again?) for proving me wrong, and this time, thank you for not actually being a vandal ;) -- All you other Captain Mikes are just imitatingtalk

Ronald B vs Ronald D Edit

Hi, I just noticed you reverted my edits for Ronald Moore. Look here. It's Ronald B. Moore, not Ronald D. Moore. It's him in the photo. Weyoun 07:47, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Re: "These Are the Voyages..."Edit

The episode article ("These Are the Voyages...") is now completed and ready for you to nominate for featured article status, as you have requested. --Defiant | Talk 02:28, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Hey, I gotta butt in to warn you... Not that there's any question about that article being "Defiant class," but I really think you should read "Crossover"'s nomination and hold off nominating episodes for now. --Schrei 04:14, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I was about to ask Defiant if it would be a good idea or not. I don't really think there's much of a rush to nominate it; whether or not it's a featured article, it doesn't hinder the article's quality at all, and it can always be nominated at a later time. --From Andoria with Love 04:17, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • Yes, but it's up to you. You said you wanted to nominate it, so I won't. I'll just wait until you do, if you do! --Defiant | Talk 16:46, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)
        • Sorry that TATV was rejected as FA status, but I don't think you should stop writing episode articles. I would even be open to writing another with you, if you would be, as it is good community work! We could even colloborate on an article that is not an episode article. Either way, you know how to contact me. If you like what I've suggested, you can reply. --Defiant | Talk 13:23, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Thanks for your comment about editing TATV. If the article is edited down to under 51 kilobytes, length probably won't be an issue! ("In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II" is a featured article and has 51 kilobytes)

PS: Just remember, it's remove plank, not retract plank. (I wan't to watch you fall into the water too, you see!) ;-) --Defiant | Talk 13:38, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Note to self Edit

Don't write any more episode summaries. Stick to the performer articles. --From Andoria with Love 03:45, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Wouldn't it be more practical to just put a note on your user page? :P --Schrei 23:49, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)
  • Note to Shran: Withdraw opposition to Nog so it can become an FA like it deserves. It's come a long way since you opposed it and Scimitar rovoked his opposition a while back. --Schrei 15:29, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Nominations for administratorshipEdit

Hey Shran, just to let you know, I nominated you for administratorship. Check Memory Alpha:Nominations for administratorship to see for yourself. You should go accept it or whatever. If you become an admin, you can truly go vandal-hunting.--Tim Thomason 11:27, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Shran. I completely missed this earlier, sorry. I just made you an admin - if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. :) -- Cid Highwind 11:16, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)

They don't? Edit

I didn't know that redirects don't get their own deletion notices. Thanks for correcting me. -Platypus Man | Talk 05:14, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Picard noteEdit

His luck with hair restoration was less successful. By adolescence, his hairline had already begun to recede, leaving him completely bald by the time he attended Starfleet Academy. His hair had been completely restored in time for graduation. But, the treatment began to lose effect by the 2350's. (TNG: "Rascals", "Star Trek: Nemesis", "Tapestry", "Violations")

Note that this is in conflict with Boothby's comment in TNG: "First Contact", in which he wonders what happened to Picard's hair, suggesting that Picard did indeed have hair throughout his years at the Academy.

Yeah, but, Boothby may not have known Jean-Luc in his freshman year.--Mike Nobody 05:38, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

It's possible; I thought for sure he did, though. --From Andoria with Love 05:53, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Quick bitEdit

Since you seem to be updating your other page again, I thougt I'd add some more potential names for the "Live Long and Prosper" section. They're in the page's discussion section.--T smitts 07:45, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I see them. I'll add the names eventually, I just gotta get the energy to do it. You see, I'm one of those guys that usually works on something for awhile, but then gets bored with that something and moves on to do something else. But I usually return to the previous something to finish it. Usually. ;-) --From Andoria with Love 11:23, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I completely understand. I've actually been trying to continue a writing project I've come up with but am so easily distracted it's coming along at a snail's pace.--T smitts 14:14, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, I didn't wanna start a new section, so I'll let you find this blue skin. If your not doing any specific editing, how about helping categorize the pages on xMemory Alpha: Uncategorized pagesx, okay, I can't get a link to work, so go to special pages, uncategorized pages. Aparently, there's a site that measures various wiki's statistics, and one factor is "% uncategorized" (as a down point) Just a thought. - AJHalliwell 01:35, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)


I archived our conversation, see my talk page for details. :P --Schrei 12:34, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

POV inputEdit

Since you are in line for administratorship, I'll send this to you too:)

(I'm sending the same text to all the admins that are currently active, so I apologize for cut and paste):

I've been having a conversation with a new user on (my talk page regarding how to write an article on M/A in the proper point of view, that is from within the Trek universe (in the case of objects, people, places, ships, etc) rather than from the outside looking in.

My understanding of this website, from day one, has been that it is the internet version of the Star Trek Encyclopedia, and have never had any difficulty understanding it any other way. This user thinks otherwise. I'm to the point in the conversation, and I'm surprised no other admins have thrown their hats into the ring yet, that I would like to ask for a little assistance, as I believe we shouldn't have to have any "policy" (per se) on such a straight forward and frankly "common sense" issue, either by starting a separate talk page or to Ten Forward. Whichever the case, and no matter how many articles we have written in the point of view which I am defending (that being roughly 10000) this user does not seem to understand, and we do not seem to have any page (aside from a subpage Cid had in his archive that I found) that I could use as an example (btw, the user in question more or less snubbed off Cids page anyway). So please, anyone else willing to assist would be much appreciated. I can't seem to better defend a point, a method and a style that is so "ingrained" into my brain/our brains as "normal" any other way than I have, as being right, without getting out a big stick -- and thus far this user has been an exception, as I have had experiences with countless other newbies and they seems to catch on to our style, well except one other, rather quickly.

Anyway, I should also note, that I am aware of this users attitude and previous conflicts with adminstrators from other message boards (from my old Starship Modding days) and am somewhat in a position of a conflict of interest -- because frankly I believe this individual would rather go out in a blaze of glory than work our well established conformity.

If you need an example of the work in question, just compare the perspectives of the original contributions of the user to the draft rewrites I made in the respective histories. Thanks so much! --Alan del Beccio 18:51, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • I didnt mean to save over your edit on tritanium, I was working offline and after my save I saw I saved over you. Not sure how that one worked. Anyway, as I just noted on my talk page, regarding what you wrote on the NFH's talk page:
"Trititanium is not tritanium anymore than it is titanium or tritium. They are all spelled differently and are thusly separate entities. What you are [he is] suggesting would be like saying Orum and Oram must be associated because their names are similar, but they are clearly not! Hence why I added the disambiguation link at the top of the page, just in case a reader thought they were looking for one thing, but instead accidently stumbled upon another. Yet again, there are several examples of how similar sounding page names are diambiguated from one another, as is the case here."

Yup yup, so maybe you might understand why there is really no point in adding a note about speculation there when M/A is riddled with similiar spelling materials, peoples, species, etc. --Alan del Beccio 05:52, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Re: Schematic image - Thanks!Edit

No problem. If you want any other image from any Trek production, just contact me. --Defiant | Talk 01:29, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

You? Edit

Are you really you? You're remarkably prolific. Thanks for all of your contributions to wikis. I respect most of those contributions, and just hope that this identity issue can settle down. Cheers, Willmcw 08:41, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Huh? --From Andoria with Love 20:04, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with the lyrics stuff. I like to think of my contributions as manure... Sometimes it can get really ugly, but they help MA grow. Vedek Dukat 00:42, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Go to bed Edit

That's a good idea. Good night. ;) --From Andoria with Love 09:55, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Episode ArticlesEdit

Maybe you should change your user page - TATV is now a featured article also. (Obviously the community didn't think it was being "hacked to death"!) --Defiant | Talk 10:20, 11 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I've written the summary for "Broken Bow", but I don't know what images to use for a section of it. Seeing as you seemed quite adept at choosing images for TATV, I was wondering if you could lend a hand... --Defiant | Talk 10:20, 11 Oct 2005 (UTC)

  • First, I hope you didn't take that "hacked to death" thing seriously; 'twas a joke, hence the (:P) that was there. ;) Secondly, for the pics, I have the following suggestions:
    • For Act Four, a picture of Sarin, either as a Human or Suliban, would probably be best.
    • For Act Five, you will probably only have room for one photo, so you might wanna get a pic of Tucker, T'Pol and Archer in Sickbay.
    • For Act Six, you could put a pic of the Suliban helix, the Suliban ejecting from his cell ship as its being reeled in by Enterprise's grappler, Archer and Trip operating the stolen Suliban cell, and/or Archer, Tucker and Klaang escaping the helix.
    • For Act Seven, a shot of Trip and Klaang packed together in the cell ship would be cool. You could also have a pic of Archer in the temporal chamber, either by himself or with Silik. Another possibility is a pic of Archer announcing to the bridge crew that the Enterprise is to continue its mission.
  • I hope that helps. Lastly, great job with the "Broken Bow" summary. And now, I'm off to bed. Good night. :) --From Andoria with Love 10:44, 11 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Have you learned how to reduce the size of screencaps from sites like TrekPulse? Also, could you help me with the background section(s) of "Broken Bow", if I work on the summaries of "The Search, Part II" and "Endgame"? --Defiant | Talk 17:51, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Enterprise D Salvageable? Edit

I disagree with your thoughts that the Enterprise D was unsalvageable. At the end of Generations, while Picard and Riker are honoring the remains of the bridge, several officers and crewmen can be seen ripping consoles out and carrying various items. Even if 1% of the ship wasn't completely obliterated, it would've been a waste to just leave valuable components and materials behind, what with the Federation's suspicians of an impending Dominion invasion. Even forgetting the likelyhood of recovering parts, people were still seen doing so. If you deem that this never happened, then alright, I'll drop the issue. --Zeromaru 13:06, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Reply to Late Reply!Edit

I just use a paint program to resize the pics. I don't know if you have anything like that.

Also, anything you can add to the background for "Broken Bow" would be helpful. You could add information about the elements in the episode that were used in other episodes of Trek, such as Enterprise (not "the Enterprise", no-one on the show refers to it as that!) encountering a gas giant, Klingons, Suliban, the Temporal Cold War, etc. (ie, any more you can think of.)

I'll be happy to help with the summaries you mentioned above, and will resize any images you want if you still have difficulty doing that. :) --Defiant | Talk 11:10, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Also, there are suggestions on the peer review page. Thank you, whether or not you choose to help. You're contributions are valued and appreciated. :} --Defiant | Talk 11:01, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
I'll check it out. :) --From Andoria with Love 11:05, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, that's brilliant Shran. :) I'll start on those episode summaries soon, although I'm quite busy today and tomorrow. --Defiant | Talk 11:56, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Brilliant? Hmm... I dunno about that, but I'll take the compliment, anyway. :D As for the summaries, I know you'll get to them when you can. There's no rush. I doubt the galaxy's gonna implode just because the summaries have to wait a few more days. ;) Take care! --From Andoria with Love 12:14, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and thanks for informing me about using the paint program to shrink pics. If I need any help, I'll be sure to get in touch with ya. Thanks again! :) --From Andoria with Love 12:56, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
I need help!!! :P I dunno what action to take to shrink 'em. I've found one way of doing it, but it involves copying a certain part of the pic and saving it elsewhere... there's gotta be something easier than that! --Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope. From Andoria with Love 08:31, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Could you not just tell me what pics you want resized and the size you want it at. I'd be quite happy to do that, if you want... it's only a suggestion. :} --Defiant | Talk 22:14, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I don't have any at the moment. I just wanted to know for future reference. But I guess I can ask you to do it, if you don't mind. Either way works for me. :) --From Andoria with Love 14:09, 18 Oct 2005 (UTC)


I saw a question you had asked regarding the exculsion of one of the ships named Enterprise in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. According to the creators of Star Trek: Enterprise, the 22nd century NX-class vessel is named "Enterprise", while all the other vehicles seen in the first Star Trek movie are called "the Enterprise". This would seem to be true of the references to the NX class spacecraft in ENT episodes, as the ship is nearly always referred to as just "Enterprise". In contrast, the Constitution, Galaxy and Sovereign class Enterprises are usually (if not always) referred to as "the Enterprise".

I hope I've answered your question. See you around... :) --Defiant | Talk 23:45, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)

So the reason it's not on the wall is because people didn't call it the Enterprise? You mean the lack of a single word was enough to disqualify it of the honor of being displayed with her sister vessels? Sorry, I don't think I buy that... :/ (see my response to Ian below for more) --From Andoria with Love 23:19, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
As I understand it, there's a naval tradition that the crew of a given ship refer to it by name (in this example, "Enterprise") as though it's a person. Other ships, however, are treat more like objects. So the NX-01 crew would talk about, fr'ex, "repairing Enterprise," while they would speak about another crew "repairing the Columbia."
Of course, I could be wrong. IanWatson 23:08, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
I think you're right. I'm sure there were times when the Enterprise crew referred to Columbia as the Columbia. I'm also reasonably sure there were times when non-crew members referred to Enterprise as the Enterprise. Personally, I like to think that the events seen in Star Trek: The Motion Picture was set in the timeline before Picard and crew visited the past in Star Trek: First Contact. In other words, in the TMP timeline we originally saw, there was no NX-01 Enterprise. But after Picard and his crew of the Enterprise-E traveled back in time, it changed the timeline, although there were only minor changes, since Archer's ship was originally launched under a different name. Um... just write back if you didn't get that last part, lol! --From Andoria with Love 23:19, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
No, no. I understand, and agree with you. I've long considered that to be the case with Star Trek: Enterprise, except I didn't limit it to just First Contact meddling. I tend to include other time travel as well — Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, fr'ex. It all ended up changing the timeline enough so that the "present" (i.e. the era each respective crew returned to) was more or less identical, but some of their history had been altered.
I myself take the approach that the NX-01 may have been called Enterprise, but was never launched in the original sequence of events. It was more a proof-of-concept design for the Warp 5 engine. Changes in the timeline resulted in the launch of the NX-01. IanWatson 14:46, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, that's also a possibility. But I would like to think that, in the pre-NX-01 timeline, Archer and his crew (at least some of them) ended up on another ship (i.e. the Dauntless or Columbia) and made historical contacts and what-not on that ship. After all, Archer was likely the man responsible for the UFP coming into being in both timelines... it's just that he made history aboard a different ship. Know what I mean? --From Andoria with Love 15:09, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Well, I've just checked the episode captioning (an extremely valid resource that Paramount sponsors) for "The Expanse" and ENT Season 4. No-one mentions the name "Columbia" until "United", with the lines, "What about Columbia?" "She's stuck in dry dock. Engine trouble." The next reference is in "The Aenar", where Trip tells Archer that he wants to transfer to the Columbia. The ship is mentioned again in "Affliction", where Archer notes in his log entry that, "We've returned home for the official launch of our sister ship Columbia." The name of the ship is said three more times in that episode and eighteen times in the next, "Divergence" - all of which is used as "Columbia" and not "the Columbia". The ship is then mentioned twice in "Bound", both are just "Columbia". After that, the vessel is not mentioned until "Demons" where it is referrenced once, and the same goes for "Terra Prime". The last episode of the series, "These Are the Voyages..." does not mention it at all. However, in all the above examples, the ship is called "Columbia" and never "the Columbia".

I'll check up on my evidence for the name "Enterprise", if you want, but since I read that the creators had said that, I've watched every episode in the series and I've still to hear anyone refer to Enterprise as "the Enterprise". Off-hand (not consulting any evidence), I can remember that, during "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II" the female officer who contacts Phlox aboard the Constitution-class Defiant and reports a medical emergency aboard the Avenger calls the ship, "the Avenger". Granted that's an NX class ship, but it's in a Mirror universe episode. Does it really count? --Defiant | Talk 00:01, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... well, you don't need to search through for uses of "the Enterprise" (your word's good enough for me), but I still find it hard to believe that the exclusion of a single word is the reason the NX-01 isn't displayed with the other ships. There has to be a good reason why the NX-01 was not refered to with a "the" and the others were, and that reason needs to be enough to excluse the NX-01 from the display wall of the TMP Enterprise. Any theories on this manner? --From Andoria with Love 01:12, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Obviously, there was no reason given for the starship being simply named "Enterprise" and not the "the Enterprise", and only speculation remains (which, as you know, is not really welcomed on MA and doesn't do much to improve the site. Maybe someone can ask one of the writers, such as Mike Sussman, who might know? --Defiant | Talk 22:14, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)

In watching "Bounty", I just discovered something - Archer says "This is Captain Archer of the Enterprise" when contacting Skalaar. This statement disproves my theory, although the Enterprise crew usually refer to their ship as just Enterprise. Would you agree with that? --Defiant | Talk 16:07, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I do agree that they usually refer to the ship as just Enterprise, I just don't think that's a reason to exclude it from a dedication wall in the recreation room of a sister ship. And, as you said, that did disprove the theory. :P --From Andoria with Love 16:12, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting personally that it is a reason to exclude it from the dedication wall in the recreation room, but that's the reason that the writers give (I think it was Brannon Braga's reasoning, actually). --Defiant | Talk 16:15, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I know, and I think they could come up with something better than that. Personally, I think it's the result of the events of Star Trek: First Contact and maybe even the Temporal Cold War. I think, as the timeline continues from where Enterprise left off, we would see the NX-01 on the dedication wall. Know what I mean? :) --From Andoria with Love 16:20, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

The changing timeline idea is pretty plausible, but I would like to propose another theory. Remember, in ST:TMP the Enterprise wasn't completely ready. There was still a lot of work going on, even for critical systems. The reason Archer's Enterprise doesn't appear on the dedication wall is the model of that Enterprise wasn't ready. Maybe it had somehow gotten damaged, and it was at the repair shop. And maybe the workers in charge of the dedication wall hadn't decided on a final arrangement for the models. Then they got re-assigned to other duties for the duration of the crisis.

Or a descendant of a crewmember was working on the model and wanted to keep it as a souvenier and the new one wasn't ready.


Well, that could work if the ships presented in ST:TMP were models. They were actually pictures, if I'm not mistaken. However, it is possible that a final layout hadn't been set or that the image of the NX-01 was somewhere else in the room that we didn't see. But with the whole Temporal Cold War going on, who knows what's what? --From Andoria with Love 00:46, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

My final commentsEdit

Okay, I was about to put my away message up but saw your "reverted edits - descriptions of the episodes are not necessary; visitors can simply click on the episode link to learn about it)" and thought that I might point out to you that that is being discussed somewhere on 'Ten Forward' (#35 (currently) regarding a new bot --although I'm not sure why it requires a bot), which started on User talk:EnEpiLink, at least that is where I last commented on it. Additionally, if you get a minute, could you breeze though the discussion on Talk:USS Horizon? Thanks! ---and away I go! --Alan del Beccio 21:04, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I had just read the Ten Forward thing when I got your comment. I really don't think it's necessary, and will make that known on Ten Forward sometime in the near future. Heck, I'm not entirely sure what he said, buy, eh, that's probably just cause I'm tired. Anyways, I'll take a look at the Horizon page. Catch ya later! :) --From Andoria with Love 21:08, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • I tried out two temp pages to see what you think. "The Horizon/Temp" & "USS Horizon/Temp".--Mike Nobody 21:18, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Broken Bow (episode)Edit

Just a reminder that you can vote to support or oppose this article becoming an FA, even though you've contributed to it yourself. There's no votes either way for it yet, so... --Defiant | Talk 17:02, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Denobulan culture Edit

Reference already cited in next paragraph.--Mike Nobody 04:29, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I don't see it. You may be confusing "Dear Doctor" with "Doctor's Orders". --From Andoria with Love 04:34, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Augment Edit

You just made an edit to Augment that was a debated issue on the talk page for a while now, it seemed to have settled, but your edit was for the other side. The correct action would have been to state your POV there until this issue is settled. It helps in avoiding edit conflicts. Thanks, Jaf 03:56, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)Jaf

I had already weighed in awhile back, and it didn't look settled to me; it looked to me as though the debate had just petered out. Anyways, you can go ahead and re-add it if you like. They were genetically engineered, which may qualify them as augments, although they were never specified as such. But if you do add them back, also try to add some additional info about Bashir and the other mutants (Jack, Sarina, etc.) rather than just listing them as "known augments." :) --From Andoria with Love 04:02, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • The thing is; there's just no reason to assume a word is period specific if there is no evidence. Just think about it in another context: if we see a Klingon in the 26th century we don't start asking if the word Klingon only applies in the 23rd and 24th centuries. Jaf 04:07, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)Jaf
  • Being dead tired and having just gotten back from dissecting a fetal pig a few hours ago, I'm just gonna pretend to understand what you just said, nod my head, and turn the other cheek. :-P They were genetically engineered like augments, so they're augments. I can live with it; it's all dandy. ;-) (see my comment in the article's talk page, btw) --From Andoria with Love 04:13, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • By the way, I meant no insult or offense with that comment above. I am just too tired to debate anything right now, especially something which, when you look at it, isn't that bad. Knowhatimean? --From Andoria with Love 04:51, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

One Small Thing...Edit

Hey Shran- I noticed an error on your user page. Under your contributions, you said that you created Bill Elliot, rather than the actual page, Biff Elliot. I would fix it myself, but I don't change things on other people's user pages. Also- congrats! It looks like you've finally been made an admin! -Platypus Man | Talk 21:22, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Suggestion for episode/movie template Edit

I just thought I'd get someone's feedback on my suggestion for a slight change to the templates for episodes and movies. I thought perhaps an appropriate addition might be a section for "goofs and nitpicks", listing any errors in the production or laspes in Star Trek continuity or such. What do you think? --T smitts 19:04, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Re: Template suggestionEdit

Hmmm... well, I'll let some of the other regulars know to see what they think. Though I suppose having the approval of at least one administrator is probably a good start. --T smitts 06:06, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

You might be interested in the proposal for Nits I posted to Memory Alpha:Ten Forward#Nits. --9er 14:41, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Deleting articlesEdit

Just thought I should point out to you that when you delete articles (ie "Frankenstein Fleet", double check and remove any links to the article by going to the "what links here" link--so as to prevent others from recreating the article because they "saw a red link," as is so often claimed. In the meantime, I've removed all links to the article. :) --Alan del Beccio 03:05, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Ah! Sorry, I didn't even think of that. I shall remember it in the future. And thanks! :) --From Andoria with Love 14:48, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

For future reference, here is a quick reference guide for making merges:

  • Delete the original page;
  • Move temp page to former location of original page;
  • Delete temp page redirect;
  • Restore original page:
    • The easiest way to restore original is probably to go into the page history and you will see a link indicating there are previously deleted versions of the page, click it, check all and restore.
      • In the case of merging a temp page over a copyvio page, no reversions are necessary after restoring.
      • In the case of merging two similar articles (due to something like misspelled article titles), it is probably easiest to copy the content of the one you want to keep, do all of your merging and restoring, and then just paste the content and save, just to save you the step of finding and reverting to the reversion you otherwise intended on keeping. --Alan del Beccio 19:17, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

re:Old user pageEdit

Hi. I don't know if it is really necessary to delete User:From Andoria with Love and the talk page. We can't remove the user account, and we should probably keep it for reference issues (block log etc.). However, if you want to have the link to your page removed or something, that should be no problem. If you still want to have it deleted, you could of course bring it up on the VfD page to discuss with others. -- Cid Highwind 16:04, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I knew just going ahead and deleting it wasn't the right course of action and I wasn't sure if user pages were something we could place on VfD or not, so I felt I had to ask. (Guess I should re-read those VfD rules one of these days.) I think I'll just remove the link on my page, though. That way, maybe nobody'll know it exists. :P Oh, and thanks! :) --From Andoria with Love 16:14, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Neutrality Edit

I'm not the one who changed from gray to grey, but would it be more logical for grey to be used? They're interchangeable in the US, whereas in other places gray is incorrect. Just a thought. Sloan 22:07, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

I was going to say that it might be worthwhile for you to explain reversions (in summary or talk page), when possible, now that you are an admin. Granted, I don't always, but if I notice an anon did something and see what he was attempting to do. I just thought I would mention that, as I got an edit conflict while attempting to do that very thing, just to notice you reverted it without the explaination I had written.
In reply to Sloan, the dictionary I use makes a clear distinction between Am Eng and Brit Eng in all of its entries, and "gray" has the entry covered for the color, whereas the entry for "grey" simply says: Esp. Brit. gray.--Alan del Beccio 22:13, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

And yet we have "The Q and the Grey". Oh well, point taken. Sloan 22:17, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that ep title's a typo that was never corrected. I know there was least one other episode with "Gray" (correctly) in the title, but I haven't a clue what it was, sorry. -- Miranda Jackson (Talk) 22:35, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
"Shades of Grey" --Alan del Beccio 22:47, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Aha! Don't you mean "Shades of Gray"? I win. :P Sloan 22:49, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that was it! Thanks, I knew I was right. ;-D -- Miranda Jackson (Talk) 07:42, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I had absolutely no idea what any of you were talking about here until I looked into it. The thing is, the same anon who changed it from "grey" to "gray" had previously changed a word to "poop" before changing it back. In the next edit, I thought the same anon changed a word from "gray" to "gay", hence the reversion. Unfortunately, b/c the anon had vandalised the page a second earlier, I didn't bother to double-check, and for that I apologize. I would not have reverted it if I saw it was merely a different spelling for the same word. --From Andoria with Love 06:32, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
No, you should have changed it. I'm not sure what the issue was with the anon, but under MA policy, it's okay to Americanize words, remember? Oh well - they Anglicise it on the Harry Potter Wiki, so I guess it's only fair. --Vedek Dukat (Talk) 07:50, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Re:Patrolled pagesEdit

You don't, I think... :) But "marking a page as patrolled" only removes the '!' in front of the respective edit in the list of Recent Changes, so that shouldn't be a problem. I already wondered if we should start to use that feature, but apparently anyone can mark edits as "patrolled", so it isn't terribly useful... -- Cid Highwind 22:30, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Deanna TroiEdit

What's happened? Have you given up all hope of working on this article? I'm just curious, as you stated on the article's Talk page that you intended to "continue" working on it! --Defiant | Talk 16:43, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Could you possibly check the bits I've written? I don't quite know if it's okay for a character article, or a bit too in-depth or something... I wrote "the Enterprise-E", "Pathfinder Project" and "Alternate timlines" sections, so if you wouldn't mind...
I'll write again (about condensing articles into each other) but I'm quite busy just now. Take care and I'll see you out there! --Defiant | Talk 11:09, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)

User talk pagesEdit

Per your comment on User talk:MstrControl, users are allowed to do as they wish with their talk pages, which includes blanking them or removing content they do not wish to have there. It's their page as much as their user page is. --Alan del Beccio 13:07, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Urgent policy question Edit

Actually, it's not urgent and not related to policy, but I didn't want someone to jump me for posting "chit-chat" stuff. So how do you restore a page you deleted? :P Oh and while we're on this important topic, how are you? I moved & don't have my computer, just got a friend's old one set up to check e-mail and stuff. --Schrei 20:51, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)


Tritanium and the like really isn't a starship component, its more of a mineral/material. STarship components, as category is more or less the "parts of", not what the parts are contructed of, that should be an entirely different cat of its own. --Alan del Beccio 10:43, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Ah, okay. So no construction materials. Gotcha. Sorry about that. :) --From Andoria with Love 10:44, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • That is going to be a toughy to define, if and when we get there. Category:Minerals and Category:Alloys, and then what happens when it was never really specified in the first place, what is it then. ya know? (I've been awake over 24 hours so sorry if im not making sense). --Alan del Beccio 10:50, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • I think I know what you mean. I've run into a few articles that only said something like "This was a substance used in bulkheads" or something. It doesn't really say much, so you don't know whether it's an alloy, an element, a mineral or what. In the meantime, I think you should go to bed. I can hold the fort for a little while and finish up categorizing the articles. :) --From Andoria with Love 11:02, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)


How do you get it that your signature says, "From Andoria with Love..." but your user name is Shran? --Defiant | Talk 20:54, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)

In your user preferences, there is a box that says "Your nickname (for signatures)". Just put whatever you want there. :) --From Andoria with Love 21:11, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, but I worked it out myself anyway! :) --Defiant Administrator | Talk 21:53, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Brock Peters bioEdit

I noticed in the Brock Peters article you reverted my date edits. Most bio guidelines call for giving a person's DOB and DOD equal weight, so it is usually poor structure to mention their birth but not their death in the beginning of the article, so I have reverted back to my previous version.-- 02:18, 23 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Re: Number one page move Edit

There was a reason - I now explained it on Talk:Number one, it would be nice if you would participate. -- Cid Highwind 15:31, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I understand now. Sorry for the mix up. I'll move the article back to Number one (nickname). --From Andoria with Love 15:42, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Actor pagesEdit

Regarding the information on performers pages, and their appearances in other non-Trek series episodes and projects with other Trek series performers, are these references made as a direct connection or indirect connection? To reiterate, are these actors appearing together in the same episode or did they both happen to appear in the same series together at completely different times? I was just looking for a little clarification on that to maybe help in determining what is and isn't relevant to those pages. I guess an example of this would be Stewart, Frakes and Dorn all appearing together in Family Guy would be them appearing together in the same episode in the same series, and therefore a noteworthy addition, whereas including LeVar Burton or Colm Meany who also appeared in Family Guy on a completely different occasion might not be as relevant. --Alan del Beccio 16:25, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)

When I include guest starring roles, I usually only reference other Trek actors who were in the same episode or if the referenced actor was a regular on the show at that time. If there is a reference that states "Stewart, Frakes, and Dorn voiced in an episode of Family Guy; Burton and Meaney also did voice work in episodes of this series", I don't think that's relevant, either. The same goes for movies. --From Andoria with Love 16:29, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I was just wondering, and somewhat impressed with the number of cross-appearances actors have judging from some of the actor pages we have that are written in that format. --16:32, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Indeed, lol! That's one of the reasons I brought up the issue of detail on actor's page over at Ten Forward. If you could leave your thoughts over there as to what should be done with the actor pages, it would be greatly appreciated. :) --From Andoria with Love 16:37, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Dude Edit

Where's my car? NerdierThanThou 17:16, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Hey, hows this for an inconspicuous post? Anyway, I made a suggestion on Memory Alpha:Possible copyright infringements page regarding hippie. However, due to my previous involvement in the discussion on the topic, I don't think it would be best, in terms of not creating any more turmoil with certain individuals, if I restored and moved my version of hippie/temp (that has since been removed from the page), just to clear up this matter. --Alan del Beccio 16:42, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

U have aim or msn? --Alan del Beccio 05:16, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, my AIM name is trekker1alpha --From Andoria with Love 05:31, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Do you mind if I IM you really quick? I need to talk about something in private.--Tim Thomason 12:36, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Go ahead, I don't mind. :) --From Andoria with Love 12:54, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the Main Page edits, I believe you removed some items that shouldn't have been removed, namely the like to the French Edition. Otherwise I am not sure what needed to be done, but I had already changed the table to template, which was the only pending change I was aware of. --Alan del Beccio 20:51, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)


You reverted an edit by a newer user at Jae -- but you failed to explain yourself at talk:Jae or that user's talk page ({{welcome}}). This might've helped avoid some confusion on the part of the person who didn't understand why their work was unacceptable. -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk

I know, and I apoligize. I don't feel too well today, so I'm not really thinking straight. I'm sorry about any confusion I caused. --From Andoria with Love 23:25, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Understandable -- I find that a certain percentage of reverts i don't feel the need to explain, but there are apparently n00bs that don't understand that talk pages could directly address a fellow archivist rather than starting an edit war.

Then there are those who don't understand our policy in the slightest no matter how many times they are invied to browse it :) -- not sure what people are thinking when they submit lately. Thank you for the help on the LCARS copyright infringement. -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk 05:12, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

No problem, I hope we got it settled. I, too, am wondering why they do what they do. Perhaps they're tired, too? I've been known to do some pretty ridiculous things when I'm tired, like the time I first created my account and started writing nonsense in some articles. Of course, I soon got my comeuppance, as it were. :) I don't see why our policies are so difficult for some people to grasp. It's as though they want to change everything around and make it their way. Anyways, glad I could help. :) --From Andoria with Love 05:22, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Performers' QuestionEdit

I have a question. How do you come up with all the fellow Star Trek actors on your performers' pages? You know when it says "so-and-so was in whatever with this guy and that guy and someone else." Do you go through each movie on IMDb and go through each name by memory, or do you use some kind of IMDb or Google search to determine which Star Trek actors an actor acted with?--Tim Thomason 20:30, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

I use several methods, most of which are on IMDb. In most cases, I look through an actor's filmography and select the most well-known projects (often by looking in the "sorted by ratings" and "sorted by votes" section at IMDb) or those I remember other Star Trek actors being in (for example, I remember pretty much all of William Shatner's films, among others). I don't normally go through each and every movie in an actor's filmography unless it is real short or unless I am extremely bored. When I look through a film, though, I am able usually able to recognize those actors who have appeared on Star Trek, and, if it helps the page, I list it. And I hope I answered that in a clear and concise manner -- I can't really tell, because mom has her damned Christmas music playing and it's kinda throwing me off. Oh, well. :P --From Andoria with Love 20:39, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Belated thanks for the info, Shran, that's exactly what I was looking for. I already used the info to write the filmographies for Richard Riehle (as you know) and Oliver McGowan, I've just been busy lately and forgot to respond. I was going to, it just slipped my mind. Plus I tried to stay out of the whole filmography/narrative/additional works debate that went on, despite people using my name (or a similar one, "Tim Thompson"?).--Tim Thomason 23:13, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Indefinite blocksEdit

You can block usernames and IPs indefinitely by using "indefinite" in the "Expiry"-field. Easy, isn't it? ;) -- Cid Highwind 11:44, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it is, lol! Actually, I tried that and it kept saying it was an invalid expiry choice. Maybe I missed-spelled it, I don't know. Actually, I think I kept putting "indefinitely" rather than "indefinite"... I think that was the problem. Anyways, thanks for letting me know. :) --From Andoria with Love 19:05, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)


I removed the speculative note at the bottom of the Coridan page. It just seemed like if we were going to give a possible reason for population decline we would have to list them all and that could go on forever. War, famine, diease, as well as any number of subspace, temporal or spatial anomalies and then there are all the aliens that could have interfered, god-like and otherwise. If there is a reason war is more likely it should be noted. Jaf 20:58, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)Jaf

Hmmm... good point. Okay, I guess it should be removed, but I think we should also note that it could have been caused by a great number of things, including war, famine, and disease. However, I think the speculation on war was based on the fact that it took the Coridan people over a century to qualify for admission into the Federation. If it was something like a famine or disease, I think the Federation themselves would have helped them out sooner. That's just my pov, though. --From Andoria with Love 21:06, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Main page Edit

I was gonna ask you to implement a minor change to the main page, but perhaps it would be better to get some sort of community input first? I don't know - it seems minor to me. Anyway, here's the thing: In the Encyclopedia area, we have "Other Features" and "The Fans" sections, the latter having only Trekkie in it. What about switching the two (so logically Other Features would be last, since it's... well, other stuff) and changing "The Fans" to "For Fun" or something similar, then adding the following to it:

There was actually more I had in mind, but that's as far as I think we could go without needing input, votes, or whatever. What do you think? --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 07:34, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I weighed in and gave my opinion on what is apparently not a lone idea. I think Weyoun created Main Page/temp (now obsolete) and forgot about it. It's a good idea though, because we can make changes there before they're applied to the actual pages. Check out the German page though - it totally puts us to shame! --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 02:05, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Gabrielle Union Edit

In use, does that mean she played more roles or you're playing Six Degrees of William Shatner? No offense meant by that -- I meant it in an affectionately nerdy way. Moo Cow 05:29, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Good job, but stop stalking me! Moo Cow 06:06, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, but I'm not stalking you. Read my note on your talk page (if you haven't already). --You sick, sick little moo cow! From Andoria with Love 06:18, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
??? Don't the rules say no personal attacks Moo Cow 06:20, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Well, technically it wasn't a personal attack, it was a joke - it's a quote by Stewie from an episode of Family Guy. Nonetheless, if you took it as an attack, that was not the intention and I apologize. --From Andoria with Love 06:24, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reversion Edit

Hey, Mike. I know the extent of information to put on performer's articles is currently in debate, but that doesn't mean you can't put anything at all. The information is still valid, it's just that it will probably be slimmed down later (depending on the extent of the info). Just, you know, don't go too much into it, because the more you research, the more it'll seem like a waste of time if it has to be slimmed down later. Know what I mean?

  • How little or how much I contribute is my business, knowing it will be edited again later. If my research is not appreciated, it won't get done. I see no reason to work in futility, seeing that work dismissed as irrelevant and deleted, when it is not irreleveant. My time is only wasted when my work is destroyed.

Mike, we have already been through this: major works are not irrelevant. Removing info and claiming it is irrelevant just because you are angry about the current debate is not acceptable, and could be considered vandalism.

  • Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black. Just who considers what vandalism? You?

Also, please don't forget to sign your comments in talk pages. Also, further explanation on your comment -- for example, what on the article is/was irrelevant -- would be helpful. I can understand why you are dissatisfied with the idea of limiting article information, but that is no reason to wipe out valid information of an actor's major works, especially when that actor has few works to begin with.

  • The information deleted makes clear what is irrelevant. Quantity of works is beside the point. There is no cited Star Trek related information in my omissions. Hypocrites make poor judges.--Mike Nobody 05:21, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)


You may want to refamiliarize yourself with M/A policy guidelines (which, unless, there's been a vote to change them, are still in effect. You have already vandalized several articles I created, and yes I know I don't "own" them.)

One of the great guidelines about any wiki is that you only have to contribute what you know or are willing to learn about — there's no assigned reading or assigned articles. Everyone is permitted to choose their topics and what articles they'll write themselves or expand.
One corollary to this policy is that Memory Alpha strives for completeness — we want to cover as much information about Star Trek in as great detail as "humanly possible".

Also refer to M/A editing policy;

Always try to preserve information.
Don't just make arbitrary deletions to an article — instead, preserve the text on the talk page or on a new archive page for future reference. Alternatives include rephrasing the content, moving text to a different article, or adding more of what you think is important.'
Reference deleted content on the talk page.
If you find false information in an article, mention it on the talk page and describe the corrections — because if one person believed it was true, chances are someone else believed it was true, too. Preserving comments helps inform later contributors.

--Mike Nobody 06:44, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I don't need to refamiliarize myself with the policy -- I just did it about an hour ago. :P However, I believe I have come up with a compromise, which you can find here. --From Andoria with Love 07:06, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

ahem! Edit

Talk:John Ford

Tense much???!?Edit

I just logged on, and it looks to me like Mike Nobody is getting pretty wound up about what he's on about. Glad to see you're keeping your cool, though, Shran! See you out there... Zsingaya Talk 13:29, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't get frustrating (I did have to resort to sarcasm, though, but I was nice about it :). Oh, and thanks. :) --From Andoria with Love 13:33, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
I could do with your input on the Talk:Custodian page, if you have a few free moments. Thanks. Zsingaya Talk 13:38, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Filmography compromiseEdit

Perhaps the links to films should be limited to a low number (5-6???) and then an external link could be put in to redirect someone to where the other references are on the internet. We certainly don't want to turn into wikipedia... :-) Zsingaya Talk 14:29, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)


It is still an owl... MstrControl talk | contrib. 17:18, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

What is that bird image ? I have the same on the French MA and I can't do anything because it must be linked to yours. Why does this vandalism not occur on the other versions (de + sv + nl) (French Administrator) Philoust123 17:46, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Go to Wikipedia:File:WikiMemoryAlpha.png, save that, rename it Wiki.png, and upload it here. Then everything should be back to normal (I think). --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 17:52, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Okay, um... out of curiosity, what did the vandal image do exactly? Whatever it did, I was oblivious to it... --From Andoria with Love 18:21, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
The logo on every page became a bird-like thing for a while. Then you deleted it and Cid uploaded a blank temp replacement, and before you read the message I left, Q did what I was talking about and uploaded the original. So problem solved now. --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 18:32, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Well, I'm glad that was resolved. Um... glad I couldn't help? :P (Sorry, I guess I was busy working on the Lloyd Haynes article at the time. Oh, well, at least it was fixed.) --From Andoria with Love 18:36, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Dunno if you've been keeping up with the "Duty Roster" idea, but check out User talk:Vedek Dukat/Episodes and see what's going on. If there appears to be a community consensus from the number of supports, it's only because those people were involved and Weyoun got the word out to them. I'd like some objective opinions, which is where you come in. (On Ten Forward, Memory voiced some concerns about having a more descriptive title than "Duty Roster", so that's a potential issue too.) --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 18:58, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I would be more than happy to check it out, but it will have to wait for later. I'm about to keel over, so I need to get some sleep before I do anything else. I'll look into it when I get back, though. Catch ya later. :) --From Andoria with Love 19:05, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Userpage Edit

Can I create another account and use the credits for a userpage to create more subpages on this username? Roar 07:49, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking... I think you should ask Alan about that. --From Andoria with Love 07:51, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Japanese... no, its not one of my languages... :-)Edit

Sorry, Shran, I don't speak Japanese, and I don't think I know the song... but I probably would if I heard it. Zsingaya Talk 17:37, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I haven't heard it in a while either. It goes something like "Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto." :P --From Andoria with Love 17:39, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Merging articlesEdit

Maybe you should try restoring Gemini effect, moving it to Star Trek: Armada, then restore all of the Armada revisions, and then deleting the Gemini effect (or keeping it or whatever).--Tim Thomason 09:26, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I was doing it the way Alan told me to (see the "deleting articles" section above), but apparently, since it's me, something's gotta screw up. Which is a good reason never to attempt a merge again. :-P --From Andoria with Love 09:31, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, though, but I think I'll leave it for others to do. :/ --From Andoria with Love 09:38, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)

No big deal, but I think you might have misunderstood Alan's statements above. I'm guessing you're merging all of Gemini Effect's history with Star Trek: Armada's. Here's how I see it going, according to Alan's notes:

  • Delete the original page (that would deleting Star Trek: Armada)
  • Move temp page to former location of original page (I know it's not a temp page but same rules apply. This is the tricky part, I think, Since Gemini Effect has a history which someone posted a redirect on, I guess you maybe have to add an edit, and then "move" it to the page, or at least I think that'll work, you should check it out)
  • Delete temp page redirect (that would be deleting the Gemini Effect page, although you might want to keep it, policy is a little unclear on that subject)
  • Restore original page (Star Trek: Armada should have all of Gemini Effect's history at this point, and it should be a simple manner of restoring all revisions, or some or whatever ones you think are necessary. The revisions would be added on to the history, and then you could revert to the last viable page, or copy and paste as Alan suggested)

The rules of merging are pretty simple once you get used to it.--Tim Thomason 09:48, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I don't know... mainly because I'm too tired to figure it all out right now, so when I'm up to it, I'll come back and check into it. Thanks for the help, though. :) --From Andoria with Love 10:20, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)
I don't know, seems fine. Gemini Effect no longer exists, and was a redirect to the Armade article before. Armada exists and isn't screwed up. Without knowing what exactly was the content of Gemini Effect before I can't be sure, but it seems to have worked. Anyway, if you don't exactly know what you are doing when merging pages this way, you should leave it for someone else, as that procedure might screw up the database big time... :) -- Cid Highwind 10:43, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)
That was the thing... I thought I did know what I was doing... up until I did it. Normally, practice makes perfect, but I think I'll take your advice and leave it for someone else. Anyway, I ended up just copying & pasting the info to the article -- and it turns out that's what I should have done in the first place, since the subject in question is actually for both Armada games. :-P So, yeah... no more merging for me. --From Andoria with Love 11:29, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't mean that you should "never again" try to merge articles - sorry if that is what my comment read like. If you need practice, you could try merging pages you created in your user namespace for that purpose - it's just that practicing with live articles is not a good idea here... :)
What exactly was the problem with this page merge, again? Maybe I can help in some way? -- Cid Highwind 11:37, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)
I know that wasn't what you meant, I just thought it would be best if I shouldn't. :) As for the merging, I did everything Alan said above (in the "deleting articles" section). The problem was, when I hit the "restore" button, it only saved the two edits that were done to the "Gemini effect" article -- for some reason, the entirety of the "Armada" article I deleted would not get restored along with the new addition. To make matters worse, when the article was in this state, there was no longer anything in the page history to restore the article to... so I had to delete the article and restore all of the previous versions before I attempted the merge. Um... I'm not sure if you were able to follow all that, lol! Anyways, any suggestions you have will be much appreciated, but they will have to wait until later for me to read, because now, I'm going to bed. Good night. :) --From Andoria with Love 11:47, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Problem with CSSEdit

What's wrong with the site? The background's all white! --Defiant Administrator | Talk 09:21, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)

A discussion on the white background problems is at Ten Forward.--Tim Thomason 10:07, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Amnesiac? Edit

M/A editing policy;

Always try to preserve information.
Don't just make arbitrary deletions to an article — instead, preserve the text on the talk page or on a new archive page for future reference. Alternatives include rephrasing the content, moving text to a different article, or adding more of what you think is important.'
Reference deleted content on the talk page.
If you find false information in an article, mention it on the talk page and describe the corrections — because if one person believed it was true, chances are someone else believed it was true, too. Preserving comments helps inform later contributors.

Googy Gress deletions.--Mike Nobody =/\= 23:36, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)

No offence, but you're the last person who should be be quoting MA policy to me. Nothing was removed from that article that didn't belong (i.e. every single Trek person who has guest starred on a show that person happened to star on, and those who have nothing to do with Trek). It said don't make arbitrary deletions -- they weren't. --From Andoria with Love 00:02, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Just a small comment, because Mike cross-posted this on my talk page - Shran is completely right here in my opinion. The relevant keyword in that policy is "arbitrary". See the discussion on MA:TF (section "Actor/actress articles") - what was deleted doesn't look arbitrary to me. Another keyword might be "rephrasing the content", which apparently is what happened on that page.
Which parts that were deleted do you think need to be discussed? -- Cid Highwind 00:15, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

My point is the keywords "Always try to preserve information."--Mike Nobody =/\= 00:21, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

For the record, the compromise he speaks of had nothing to do with listing every single Trek guest actor that guest-starred on a show in which another Trek actor starred or guest-starred. THAT is going way overboard. He also tends to include a lot of irrelevant, non-Trek-related names, which I have been removing for obvious reasons.
And to Mike... regardless of how you feel about our policies, that does not give you the right to vandalise my talk page with irrelevent content (like yin/yang images, for example). --From Andoria with Love 00:23, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
"Alternatives include rephrasing the content", which, as I already stated above, I think has happened. With that, I guess we cited everything there is to cite from the policy snippet you provided. Again, I ask you: Which parts that were deleted do you think need to be discussed? -- Cid Highwind 00:27, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Some, but not all examples are; CHiPs '99 (1998, with Robert Pine, Eddie Yansik and Eileen Weisinger)

He co-starred in the animated series Freakazoid! with David Warner, Ricardo Montalban, Frank Welker, Jim Cummings, Lost in Space star Jonathan Harris, and Futurama regular Tress MacNeille. Some guests on this series included; John Schuck, Kenneth Mars, Brian George, Bebe Neuwirth, Jess Harnell, Larry Cedar, John Rhys-Davies and Star Wars star Mark Hamill.

Although it is debatable how much non-Trek references are admittable, the actors who have appeared aren't. This information takes time and effort to gather and assemble. It is unreasonable for another contributor to waste it without at least keeping the facts available for future reference by other contributors. Thereby, minimizing the efforts of contributors having to do the same research twice.--Mike Nobody =/\= 00:42, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

CHiPs '99 was added to the "Other Trek connections" list as per the compormise. And I say again, listing every single guest stars is not an option, especially since we don't know if Gress voiced in the same episode as all of these guests; just because someone has a regular role, does not mean he or she was in every single episode. And if they were not in the same episode together, there's no reason to list them. The only exception to this might be regular performers, such as Nichelle Nichols and Jolene Blalock appearing on G vs. E.
Also, if you don't mind, please stop adding non-Trek names and non-canon Trek actors to these articles. The former is obvious -- if there's no Trek connection, it's irrelevant filler. As for the latter, we won't be creating articles for actor who appeared or voiced in non-canon video games and the like (since they're not part of the canon Trekverse), so there is no need to post them here. --From Andoria with Love 01:31, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

user page move Edit

News to me. I'll think of something. weyoun shran 15:47, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I'm moving the page to "gul garak", with a new account sign in as same & no sign of a user "gul" or "garak". Can you delete the "trekphiler" page & account? Or what? weyoun shran 15:57, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

user page move 2 Edit

I moved the trekphiler/weyoun shran page to Gul Garak, after register as same, with no visible conflict, no user "gul" or "garak" that I saw. Can you delete the "trekphiler" page & account? If not, how can I? weyoun shran 16:04, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Trekphiler, I've left you a couple of messages on your own talk page, please make this easier and read them.
If you want to become User:Gul Garak, then you need to
  1. click "log out"
  2. click "create a new account"
  3. follow the necessary instructions for logging into that name.
  4. once you are logged in as user:Gul garak, then move your user page and information to the new page.

I feel its important you must create the account before you use it -- but i dont see any problems with the name "gul garak" -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk

Hi ShranEdit

Did we ever come to some sort of consensus about Vedek Dukat's administrationship application? In other news... its my 1-year MA anniversary today! Zsingaya Talk 10:25, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Hey there. I can't speak for Tim Thomason or Playtpus Man, but my vote is still in opposition of administratorship, although I am currently considering changing my vote (the keyword there is "considering"). Even if he does not get nominated this time, however, the current turn-out is definitely a good sign that he will become an admin soon, and "resourcefulness", "team spirit", and "honesty" are likely going to be among my reasons to support him. Right now, however, the "inexperience" along with some other factors I have promised not to discuss here are weighing heavily on my decision to oppose his nomination for right now.
Anyways, congratulations on your one-year anniversary. I knew you were here before me, but not that long. Keep up the great work! :) --From Andoria with Love 11:18, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Actor articlesEdit

Hi. I've been gone for a while and I just noticed the duty roster. I never like writing episode summaries, so I was wondering if there was a similar list for actors? I'd really like for every person who ever acted in Star Trek to have a really good article. Tough Little Ship 14:33, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)

That's strange, Vedek Dukat suggested the same thing to me in a private IM conversation, lol! Um... at the moment, there is no such list, although I am tempted to start one. In fact, I think I just might do that later tonight. :) --From Andoria with Love 18:48, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Borg QueenEdit

Hi Shran, I have a question about the quoting I used in this article. I found it when browsing through the MA:STYLE and based on that I changed the quotes. Does the line and single word not qualify as a quote like its described in the MoS ? -- Q 19:49, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... I didn't notice any changes in quotes in the article. You were probably right, I just didn't see that when I reverted. I apologize for that, and I'll look into it right away. :) --See you... out there! From Andoria with Love 19:52, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Well, never mind. Just keep on bettering my spelling and grammer ;) -- Q 19:58, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Roger. Will do. ;) --From Andoria with Love 20:00, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Featuring articles Edit

Wasn't the policy changed so they need five votes? Or was that just a proposal? Makon 05:16, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

You know... you're right. I completely forgot about that. Oh, well... reverting! :P --From Andoria with Love 05:59, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

You know... If you feature something, the vote belongs to the talk page... :-p --Memory 23:11, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I guess I'll put it there, too. :-P Thanks. :) --From Andoria with Love 23:14, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Kenneth Tigar Edit

Hi there, Shran. Just wanted you to know what a fantastic job you've been doing recently on the actor's pages, such as Kenneth Tigar. I think the format you've come up with should eventually be applied to every actor (background info, a few links in the main text, then a list of films that he has also appeared in with other Trek guest stars, then the external links). Zsingaya Talk 08:47, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Archive Edit

I think it's time for a page two of your archive. Anyway, you Nazi (that's a joke not a personal attack, because I just know someone is going to read it and go "ooh, that's not very admin-like behavior"), why'd you leave? It's kind of sad when you think about it... For most people, you'd tell them "Hey, you should check MA," but with you, it's "Psst, minimize MA for a sec." --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 00:28, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)


Hi Shran, can you check the "Temp pages" section on MA:Vfd? I think your comment referred to all suggested pages and copied your comment to each section accordingly. If this was not your intention, please remove/change your comments as necessary. Thanks :) -- Cid Highwind 22:02, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

That's fine. I voted for each and every single one of 'em to be deleted, so it's all good. :D --From Andoria with Love 22:09, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Episode list pagesEdit

Hi there, Shran. I just read what you wrote on User:Weyoun's talk page, and I agree with you. Are there templates already prepared for the Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise pages? I'm not sure if I like the mini-summary next to each episode title... and they should be standardised (if one page has it, all of them should be the same). What do you think? Zsingaya Talk 10:53, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Ok sounds like a plan. I'll start with season 4 then. Presumably, we'll follow the same pattern as before, naming the pages as so: Template:VOY-Season1 Zsingaya Talk 10:58, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about the comment, but if we're going to use templates we should at least make it one template per series instead of fragmenting it and putting seven times the load on the server (each template is another SQL query). Weyoun 11:07, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... that's a good point, actually. I think this needs to be brought up for discussion. Ten Forward, maybe? I make a mean Samarian sunset. ;-) --From Andoria with Love 11:15, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

You do them so quickly, I've hardly had time to do the 4th one. Give me about 10 mins and they should be done. :) Zsingaya Talk 11:08, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Wowza, lol! If you want some advice, I went to each season's article (i.e. VOY Season 4) and copied that info and pasted it to a word document. I then had word find and replace the *'s with #'s (with a space after the numeral sign), then copied and pasted that into the edit box on MA and saved. You'll need to make adjustments for the feature-length episodes, though. Anyway, whichever way is more comfortable/preferred by you is fine by me; there's no rush. Good luck! :) --From Andoria with Love 11:15, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

But those templates are supposed to be used on the season pages as well, I think. We need to have one template per season in that case. I also think that the server load is not that excessive for simple templates like that. -- Cid Highwind 11:10, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
All done now. Those templates should be useful in those two places. Zsingaya Talk 11:19, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
I've done the season pages. Don't the seasons need to be separated by headings, like on the other series pages? Zsingaya Talk 11:28, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
No probs. It was fun! If you ever need someone to do something, you can usually count on me to be free. Zsingaya Talk 11:34, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Page move revertEdit

Hey Shran, I added a comment on User talk:Sci. I believe that, if the correct form of a title was given, we should use that one for the article, even if we keep the shortened form as a redirect and even use it most of the time for links. Also, I think it isn't necessary to discuss each and every page move, or immediately revert those that haven't been discussed. In this case, it wouldn't have hurt to keep the page under its new title for some time and start a discussion instead. Just an idea, because we had some concerns voiced about revertions in the last days and weeks. -- Cid Highwind 11:14, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I'm not the infallible final authority on anything here, so if you think something needs to be discussed, please do ;) -- Cid Highwind 11:24, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

The Last ChristianEdit

I called the Phased Polaron Beam powerful and deadly as it was still able to pierce the shields of the other Alliance ships (earlier on the page), but it is ineffective against Borg Shields due to their regenerative Shielding(page labled Regenerative Shields) -<unsigned>

I didn't say I doubted the veracity of your claims, but we need to know the episode or movie in which the weapons proved ineffective against the Borg. Please see Memory Alpha:Cite your sources for more info. --From Andoria with Love 04:50, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

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