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User Page/Talk PageEdit

Someone posted a comment on your user page, probably mistaking it for your user talk page. Feel free to move it here. On that note, if you are going to remove something that another archivist believes is factual, leave a note on the talk page so other archivists can give input. -- Jaz talk 01:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


You have no business deleting my comment about Shatner's subtle "What the f-". If you are 21, then I have been watching TOS since well before you were born--I first saw it in the early 1970s. And I have probably seen The Corbomite Maneuver twenty times or more. You do not know what you are talking about and you have no business arrogating it to yourself. Please restore my comment.

Thank you Edit

Reasonable revision. Good sport. Thanks!

Steven Anderson Edit

Thanks for fixing my links on this actor's page. --Jadza 00:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Thats what the community is for, right? --OuroborosCobra 00:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)


Would you please point out where it says it is unnecessary to add quotes to pages that are not episodes/movies? Many times quotes help define a character or an event. Otherwise, no where on our site do we discourage the use of them, especially if the quote is topic specific. --Alan del Beccio 23:53, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it says it everywhere, but when I was on IRC with last night with people like Jorg and Bp, they agreed that it was unnecessery, and told me I could get rid of them. That is what I was basing my statement on. --OuroborosCobra 23:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Even if they are not exactly necessary i see no good reason to remove them, I think they are a good way to introduce an article


i'm new at this, i edited your page without thinking

Thank you I am very sorry I did not know. I hope i do not get in trouble.... I am now using it. Can you help me with some stuff??? Thanx

Captain Wall::: 07:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I am really new here myself (only joined two weeks ago). I know some of the rules and a little bit of how to do things, but the best place to go for help is the IRC chat. you can get to it by clicking the chat link on the navigation bar on the left. --OuroborosCobra 07:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Would you check out my page and tell me what you think??? I still got some stuff to do but thats what i got so far.... Captain Wall::: 08:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Accuracy Edit

The Commodore thing was a mistake, I agree. However, I will have to check my DVDs about the Coaltion/United Federation of Planets issue. I believe Troi says the treaty signing will lead to the creation of the Federation, not that it specifically creates the Federation. Hermiod 19:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

We'll have to agree to disagree with this one, but I'm willing to go with the collective on this. Thanks. Hermiod 19:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

"Bad form" Edit

I would universally invite anyone to correct my misspellings of words, as it would help me come to a better universal mastery. If others don't share this belief, they are in the wrong. --ChrisK 19:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Sandry Fries Edit

Don't you dare offer up Sandy Fries for deletion.  :)

I just wrote up a real bio for her (him?) so it's no longer a blank piece of spam-crap. -- Sulfur 01:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Taken care of, didn't realize it was a real person. --OuroborosCobra 01:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

No worries at all on the deletion thing. it let me put up an amusing response. I figured after blanking that when I found out it was a real person, that it was a good excuse to actually write a proper biography, huh? -- Sulfur 02:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Bottle ShowsEdit

so, why is it you don't think emergence and invasive procedures count? i'm not sure that's the best definition anyways --quagmire

Both include a signifcant number of guest stars. Also, "Emergence" would have required the making of a number of new sets. The show may have taken place on the USS Enterprise-D, but a lot on the holodeck, which requires new sets be created. "Invasive Procedures" is a harder call, but it did have a lot of guest stars. --OuroborosCobra 05:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

exact quote from Emergence page "No new sets had to be constructed for the filming of this episode", :) --quagmire

Well, they still had a lot of guest stars. I would classify it in the same gray area as "Invasive Procedures", possibly worse, since it had even more guest stars (many seem to be uncredited). --OuroborosCobra 05:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

user controversyEdit

Listen, I'm a little concerned about a another user right now. He's trying to argue changes of an article, but i protected it when he started to accuse me of bad judgment power-tripping.

I don't know why he is repeatedly bringing me up in discussions on talkpages, but I'm going to pretty much ignore him and allow some other users to discuss the article with him.

He's pretty irrational and he's "banning" other users from his talk page. This is warnable, but he hasn't really gone far enough to ban from the site. Just try and ignore him if he makes silly accusations at you or I. He's just trying to start trouble. -- Captain M.K.B. 05:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Will do. --OuroborosCobra 05:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Pix Edit

Are those screencaps? I played the game back in the day, and they have a certain "promotional still" about them, the same nebula behind them may be affecting this.

Also, if you could upload an image or two (try not to fill the page with images, that's when people start getting annoyed) under the plotlines part, ie: Captain Demming I think it was, and something else from the 'video' parts of it, that'd probably hugely improve the article. Okay, thanks, great on the template by the way. Although ending in "See: Copyrights" might mean we have to write a new section there regarding games, but I haven't checked so maybe not. Happy 4th - AJ Halliwell 07:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

PS: You might wanna try cropping the images of the ships a little, their kinda small and hard to see from the thumb view.
I did not take them, but I believe them to be screenshots. If you want, I could replace them with screenshots of my own (would have to wait until tomorrow). I am not sure how easily I will be able to take screenshots during the cinematic (would be needed for Captain Demmings), but I'll try that too. --OuroborosCobra talk 07:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm just going to redo them tomorrow. Happy 4th to you too. --OuroborosCobra talk 08:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I apologise Edit

Sorry, I am new to contribution. I didn't know I had to leave it there.

If you want to edit this page for me, so that it is up to standard, I give you my permission. All I ask is that you don't delete or add to the text.

Please re-format for me, to your specifications.



Beverly Crusher image changeEdit

Hi OuroborosCobra. Thanks for noting the image change on Beverly Crusher and changing the wiki right away; however, in the future I'd appreciate it if you wait at least ten minutes after you notice an image being renamed to see if the person who renamed it fixes the problems... often times a contributor will still be working on a page and making changes before they're finished makes editing more difficult. Thanks! -- SmokeDetector47( TALK ) 03:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the heads up. Sometimes I am a little to eager to do stuff, but I know the frustration of editing a page, clicking save, and seeing "this page has already changed". --OuroborosCobra talk 03:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


There really isn't much need to confront an anonymous user who makes vandalistic or nonsensical edits. simply revert thir edits, or tell an admin. telling them what you think of their opinions, statements or points of view isnt constructive, as the people in question are likely to be warned or banned anyway. -- Captain M.K.B. 17:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

OK. Normally I wouldn't have said anything, but I couldn't resist when his talk page asked us to find who wrote the song. --OuroborosCobra talk 17:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

scripts Edit

thanks for the links to the episode scripts, they ought to make interesting reading when i get a chance. -Mithril 20:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Soverign Class Edit

I counted that launcher in my overall count of launchers. I just didn't specifically call it a "quantum torpedo" launcher, as there is nothing to indicate that launcher couldn't fire photon torpedoes as well, as it appeared to on occasion in Nemesis...I'll try to fix things to make that clearer... Capt Christopher Donovan 08:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

And I beleive it DOES talk about the "turret" in the text of the article...the edit you reverted was just the summary block at the top (that I saw). I'll recheck the rest of the article and disambiguate as needed.Capt Christopher Donovan 08:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk USS CentaurEdit

Made my case for my edits on the talk page whenever you get a chance to take a look...--Capt Christopher Donovan 09:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Edit

Thanks for the kind words. :) Adamwankenobi 02:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Alien Batter Edit

How was that for taking charge and dealing with it? :) -- Sulfur 21:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks muchly. :-) --OuroborosCobra talk 21:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Galaxy Class torpedo thing Edit

No problem. Frankly, such issues are the reason I try NOT to name specific numbers unless I have good research to start with..."numerous", "several", and "multiple" work just as well and are much easier to substantiate... :)

The thing I have a problem with is the Aft Saucer Launcher. I know it's in the Tech Manual, but I've never seen it in any screen caps of the Saucer, as so many have claimed to do.Capt Christopher Donovan 22:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The aft saucer launcher IS in the Tech Manual, so it's valid. The problem I had is that every shot of the saucer section showing where the port would be (in the cut out where the two hulls meet) doesn't SHOW a tube opening there...I just speculate that it's covered by a hull panel when not in use...Capt Christopher Donovan 22:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Question from IRC Edit

Hi. You asked about the differences between GFDL and CCL. The main difference is that the CCL lets you pick and choose what rights you want to reserve for yourself, and what you want to allow others to do with your work. This is much better explained on [1], of course.

The specific license that was chosen for MA is an "NC" ("non-commercial") license that basically states that "You may not use this work for commercial purposes.", and it was chosen because we work with someone elses property here.

Some people, even on Wikipedia, consider CCL the "better" license at the moment, but something you should keep in mind is that you can't simply "change" the license of an existing wiki from GFDL to CCL that easily. If someone published his work under one license, it (and all "derivative works") need to be published using the same license, until the author agrees to have his work published under another license. Also, I'm not sure if Wikia even allows a different license... -- Cid Highwind 19:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


Typically, when the person who puts an item up for a VfD reverts their vote, they're withdrawing the nomination for such a VfD. You've reversed your vote on the Temporal Displacement thingie as it has improved significantly from the original article (etc). Shoudl the VfD notice not be removed now?  :) -- Sulfur 02:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine with it getting removed, but I thought an admin had to do it. While it was still on the Vfd page, I felt the deletion template should stay up. Big thing I have found is that anon's take away the deletion template without even looking at the Vfd page just because they don't agree with the deletion. I just feel that as long as it is listed, it should have the template. All that said, I am fine with it getting removed. --OuroborosCobra talk 02:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Naah, if you post it, you can withdraw it (just make a note on the VfD page that you are withdrawing the nomination now that it's good, etc). I do agree on the anon removal thing though. That happens all the time. Alas. -- Sulfur 02:37, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Edit

Thanks for the heads up, but it'll never happen. There are those here that feel what I do is mindless and, apparently, not really a worthy contribution to this wiki. Oh, well... :) -- Renegade54 18:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk Pages and Indentation Edit

I just wanted to make you aware of Help:Talk pages. It contains a guideline to have each participant use one indentation throughout the whole discussion. This makes it easier to quickly check who posted what. That's why I reformatted Talk:The Naked Now (episode), so as to make it easier to see who wrote what. -- Sulfur 15:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Holy crap, guidelines! Never had seen those before, thanks for the heads up Sulfur :-) --OuroborosCobra talk 15:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Need Some Help Edit

I changed my nickname recently to 'Sheliakcorp'. You can look at my talk page for the details of this saga. Do I need to actually regiser this as a brand new account name, or is there some other way to handle this? --User:Sheliakcorp talk 11:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

If you want to use your user and talk pages as you are now, you will need to register it, or as Cid Highwind noted, someone else may register it, and then own your pages. The other thing is, as Cid noted, when someone leaves you a talk message on your "new" page, you won't receive proper notification of it. That's also a problem. -- Sulfur 11:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, I did it. My watched pages aren't pick up anymore, but I can live with that. One problem, I'm running IE 7.0 beta, and when I try to login, I get an error. You might want to investigate this. --Sheliakcorp 12:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The login problem seems to have cured itself with a browser restart. Thanx. --Sheliakcorp 12:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm having a little trouble with the talk part of the signature I originally copied from you. Sometimes the link works, sometimes it doesn't. Would you take a look at the end of my user page and diagnose? Does it have something to do with my name change from bfgreen? --Sheliakcorp talk 19:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Signature Edit

Sorry if this sounds stupid, I'm new here, and this was not covered in the FAQ. How did you get a klingon symbol and a link to your talk page on your signiture?--Mac Lover 19:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

  • by copying someone elses signature from the real wikipedia and copy pasting it into the signature section under the preferences tab--meat*ball 19:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

pna Edit

in the future do you think you could wait more than 3 minutes before slapping a pna template on an article--monkey2:twice the monkey 16:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Read the talk page to see why it is there. One tip I might give to prevent that from happening is to write a more complete article before saving it. Use the preview button to see what the article looks like as you are making it. That is what I do. --OuroborosCobra talk 16:27, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

my account Edit

that is my account. but this system auto logs me out, and I'm too lazy to log back in every time. I left that so I can find my IP address at will

After searching to try to remember what you are talking about, I remembered. Thanks for the heads up. --OuroborosCobra talk 22:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Man's search for knowledge Edit

I am heartily sorry for my sudden outbusrts, both those which reclaimed whatever I had contributed, and, of course, whatever I reeled in that which was not mine. This wiki is more than I could have imagined (when Best of Trek and the occaisional fotonovel was all that I had to sate my interest), and so much less than I would have imagined. I have responded poorly to the editorial comment of some members of the Wiki, largely because I felt their criticism was directed more toward style versus substance. Not to mention my own age-ist bent.

To any who read this, I am sorry. All I wanted was to engage in a discussion of the best-possible future with some due regard for what we, (those of the mid- to late- 20th Century) considered to be such a promising future.

Good night, and good luck,

GNDN (a/k/a Scott Moore)

Regarding Saul Rubinek Edit

I was watching the episode when I posted the information, and had intended to get in and set up an external link but you beat me to the punch by erasing the [[]] entirely. It was just a goof on my part.


OK, sorry about that. Go ahead and set up the external link. Lots of people set up regular [[links]] to non-trek material in the actors pages, and then don't do anything about it, or worse, create an article to fit the redlink. Glad to hear you were getting ready to do something about it yourself. --OuroborosCobra talk 04:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:Tech Manual stuff Edit

I checked it out (p. 29 of the TNG Tech Manual), and the information seems to be accurate. It's the last paragraph discussing the emergency landing of the saucer section. To quote: "It is assumed that the vehicle would be a total loss insofar as ever being returned to operational service, due to the extreme loads placed upon it, which would result in deep, unrecoverable alloy damage." --From Andoria with Love 20:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Federation member Kesprytt Edit

Hi. Isn't this the very reason membership was denied? Because the Kess and the Prytt weren't united under one government as it is demanded by the Federation? --BlueMars

No, the Kes (government) were being considered for membership, and it was known that it was not a unified government. If that was the reason, then they would never have even been considered. Riker recommended against membership because of the paranoid behaviour of the Kes, and how they interacted with the Prytt, not just because they were not united. --OuroborosCobra talk 21:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for that info. --BlueMars 21:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Signing of contributions to talk pages Edit

mmh, i'm with MA for some years now, if i forgot to sign a post it wasn't on purpose ;-) but thanks for the reminder. --BlueMars 21:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Stuka & other plane images Edit

I've uploaded what I believe to be the Stuka seen in the Mirror credits. You can find it here. I am currently uploading the other plane images at photobucket for you to look over and identify. You can fine them in this album. There are six altogether, so if you don't see six planes, just wait for a few more minutes and they'll be there. ;) --From Andoria with Love 05:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Cobra. I don't have time right now, but when I do, I'll see if I can upload clearer versions of aircraft pics 4 and 5. The problem, of course, is that A.) all those planes are moving at high-speed past the screen. The cast members' names don't help too much either. But yeah, I'll see if I can get some cleaner versions... I offer no guarantees, though. :) --From Andoria with Love 12:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Captain Zman Talking AreaEdit

  • Ok, thanks friend, I'm still new here so I hope I did not cause any problems on this wiki, I am still laerning, don't think of me as a vadel or some bad user, I hope that we can put this behind us, friends? --Captain Zman 11:20, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
  • No problem. Live Long and Proper, May the Force be with You, Peace and Long Life, new friend. --Captain Zman 11:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Compromise on "Schisms" Edit

Actually I had no idea about that. I just saw the article had no mention of the classic poem and added the most famous/repeated lines. Thanks anyways, though! --Species 8675309 06:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Re:What are you doing boy? Edit

I'm spending the night at a friend's place and using his computer. I just haven't felt like logging in. :P If there's vandalism or something, though, I'll log in to take care of it. --From Andoria with Love

Aeroshuttle Edit

We crossed messages. I already changed my vote, as I discovered that exact image is in fact NOT one of Rob's public posts. I am in the process of getting a similar image whose use WILL fall under fair use.Capt Christopher Donovan 00:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk pagesEdit

Regarding Talk:Take Me Out to the Holosuite (episode) and Talk:Boronite-- It really isn't necessary to jump down everyones throat for "misusing" talk pages unless they are leaving a comment critiquing the episode or something totally irrelevent to the topic the talk page comments. The comment regarding the absense of Michael Dorn as Worf was completely legit. As was the question regarding the proper spelling of Boronite. --Alan del Beccio 22:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Man, I'm not doing to well this week. Thanks for the heads up Alan. I don't know what I was thinking with the first one, but the second one I still stand by. I did not, and do not feel the intent of the first comment was whether the article title was correct. It seems to me they were just pointing out a typo in the background section. I don't think it is necessery to point out typos, just fix them. --OuroborosCobra talk 02:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Antigravity vs telekinesis Edit

I think that settles things quite nicely! Well done! Capt Christopher Donovan 07:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much :-) --OuroborosCobra talk 07:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

From archived BPD Delete discussion

First off Dracorat, there is a such thing as validity on a vote. If the vote does not mach the rules of MA policy, it should not be considered valid. Otherwise we would have nons running around saying that we should keep copyvios, etc. (well, we do, but there votes are not counted). I don't think your vote broke policy on that, per say, but find a source if you want to keep something. Otherwise, just make a comment saying that you think you remember it somewhere. Second off, please read MemoryAlpha:Deletion policy#Voting format. Oppose is not one of the accepted voting formats. That said, a canon source has been found, so the article just needs to be rewritten to match. Therefore, I vote keep. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I do try to follow the rules. But I admittedly do not keep them open. Oppose vs Keep is simply something that I will probably fumble up a few times, but since the context is similar, there should be no confusion over what I mean.

As for finding sources, I admitted in my vote that I couldn't remember the exact source, but I gave all the info I could remember. However, the follow up response that my vote was not valid because I didn't give the exact source was out of line, which was the whole point of my follow up. It should be allowed to say that you oppose the deletion of an article that you beleive to be canon. If nothing, it should be taken as a request for someone to follow up and very the accuracy if they can.

As for getting snippity on the symatics of the voting system, we could stick around and debate symantics, or we could do what we all came here for, which is make a good resource for canon Star Trek even better.

Usually, your comments and edits are solid gold. I was surprised however, to see your named attached to the comment I quoted.

Hopefully, this clears matters up.

-- Dracorat 22:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Image uploading Edit

What is it I'm doing wrong? Should I always upload under a NEW file and then do a "image for deletion" thing? Upload under the old file name?

I'm serious...I'm TRYING to be helpful, but apparently I'm making a mess I don't mean to.Capt Christopher Donovan 07:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

It depends what you are trying to do. In the case of "File:Firing aft phasers.jpg", it was right to upload under a new name, as the file you were replacing, "File:Constitution class original engineering hull.jpg", was misnamed. That picture was only being used to demonstrate phasers, and had a terrible name for that, and wasn't all thet great a picture either. Your upload of a new file fixed that. The problem is, you then left an image orphaned, meaning it was not being used anywhere. Now, you said you are new to uploading images, so let me give you a tip that ook me forever to learn myself: at the bottom of the image page, it says what article use that image. If there is nothing on that list, it is orphaned. If you are responsible for orphaning an image, then you should put it up for deletion.
The other image you uploaded, "File:Saucer2.jpg", there was nothing wrong with the filename of the old image, "File:Constitution class original saucer.jpg". If I had to hazard a guess, you chose to upload under a new name because the new image was going to be so different than the old one. You don't need to do that. As long as the image is still trying to show the same thing (in this case, the saucer section of the original configuration constitution class), there is no need for a new file. As an example, take a look at the image history of "File:CharlesTripTucker2151.jpg". There are at least 3 very different versions of that image there.
Welcome to the wonderful world of image uploading. Prepare to have all of your uploads ridiculed, and to have to go through multiple versions of every upload. I think that it basically happens to everyone. It's happened for pretty much everything I've uploaded, god knows... --OuroborosCobra talk 08:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips! :) Capt Christopher Donovan 09:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I know the feeling, after having been hammered on several pics...--Sheliakcorp talk 19:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Kirk Article Conversion Edit

Cobra, thanks for supporting (at last) my nomination of the Kirk article for FA status. There's hope for you after all, tough guy...--Sheliakcorp talk 19:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

"Shorn" Edit

Before someone tells me, "shorn" is a word. I stand by my revert on the Sybok article, as it was a nitpick, and/or he could have simply want to cut his hair before facing god. --OuroborosCobra talk 16:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Good to know OuroborosCobra. Man, your one smart guy. --OuroborosCobra talk 16:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Constitution Class-Heavy Cruiser or Battle Cruiser? Edit

The fact that the Klingons stated the Enterprise was a Federation Battle Cruiser in ST: III makes the ship a Battle Cruiser Class/Type. The reason for that is because anything mentioned on screne or in the movies is considered canon by paramount. Whether who said it, Klingons, Romulans, Orions doesn't matter. It was stated on the big screen and that's what makes it a canon Battle Cruiser. All other sources of official material whether it be books or games based on Star Trek are subject to debate, or considered fanon unless otherwise stated by Paramount.

It is true that the Constitution Class is referred to as a Heavy Cruiser in the works of Franz Joseph, and other books based on Star Trek. Images from scematics were also used on the bridge set in Star Trek II and III, however, those reference materials were deemed non-canon. As stated in Wikipedia, "For many years, these reference works formed the backbone for treatments of the Star Trek setting. Their general assumptions about Starfleet and the galaxy as a whole were the basis of the Star Fleet Universe and FASA's version of Star Trek, as well as most novels about Star Trek. This book was one of the materials that was stripped of its canonical status at around the same time as FASA's version of Star Trek and its ideas about Star Trek were ignored from that point on."

In conclusion, there are many works licensed by Paramount, but the head cheeses over there make the big call on what's canon and non-canon. Ultimately, the franchise considers anything mentioned on tv or the big screen canon.

See that talk page for the Constitution class article, you will see on screen evidence. Live with it. --OuroborosCobra talk 14:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

40th Anniversary Edit

Yeah, I'll be spending it with my girlfriend. I hope you've got one too and not one of those fictional Orion Slave girls you see in your head.

I like Star Trek too, but you need to spend some time away from it.

Image deletions related to "Through the Looking Glass?" Edit

In addition to the thumb-size upload you nominated for deletion, there are five other captures (all of which link only to "Through the Looking Glass", and were inadvertently squished when first composed) that I superseded but did not replace. The reason for that is that the filenames of the originals were poorly chosen (see the top of my talk page). The filenames in question are /Image\:Cap looking glass [1-5]\.jpg/ - the new versions have already been linked in place of the ones that ought to be clobbered.

Much as I would like to post them as candidates for deletion, it seems that nominations are the province of admins alone (or else I missed something about including the deletion message). I was hoping you could make the nominations.

Edited to add: The images linked to the guide for "The Abandoned" suffer the same issue, but I'll get around to that later. -- Persist1 22:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and nominated all of the images you specifically listed for you (none from "Abandoned"). Actually, you don't have to be an admin (in fact, I'm not an admin myself, just an normal user like yourself) to nominate anything for deletion. Adding the template does not do it on its own. You then have to go to Memory Alpha:Files for deletion and create the new discussion for the nomination yourself. --OuroborosCobra talk 22:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

So the wiki picks up on the combined notice and Votes for Deletion thread, and adds the "Comment" notation accordingly? When I added the message but didn't see my username, I thought it had something to do with the fact that I'm not an admin. Persist1 22:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you mean that the template did not show "this comment was added by:" and then your username automatically? Yeah, it doesn't do that, you have to add "--~~~~" after the template on your own. --OuroborosCobra talk 22:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Time flies... Edit

Wow, it's been a month already?? Time files when you're... ummmm... busy? lol... thanks -- Renegade54 20:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Galaxy Class: Edit War Edit

So, now you accuse me of starting editing wars when I was simply citing canon material?

I made a valid reference to canon material cited "on the screen".

In your very own words taken from the discussion on Centaur Class:

"Right now, that reads "Light Cruiser", based on the DS9 TM, but as we all now, on-screen dialogue supersedes the TMs"

Were you lying when you said that, or did you not realize what you were saying?

If you were not lying, than you agree what is said on screen is canon regardless of what the technical manuals say.

Do you agree what is said on screen is canon?

I realize you may have worked on this site for a long time, however, that doesn't give you the right to post speculative material or give you the right to bend your own rules when you see fit.

I appreciate the effort you put into this site, however I'm disappointed that much of it composes of misinformation and speculation.

Although I am given the right to freely edit material, most of the things I have contributed that are canon have been deleted by you. I will not tolerate it any longer.

In the interest of keeping the peace, I ask that you edit the Galaxy Class article to state it's a battleship.

The following goes the same for the Centaur Class. It falls into the same category as the Excelsior and Miranda Class starships. It's a cruiser, or a light cruiser at the very least.

Excelsior also needs to be changed from explorer to heavy cruiser. The Excelsior design falls into the heavy cruiser class of ship along with the Constitution and Ambassador Class.

And by the way, I don't start wars. I end them. --<JeanLucPicard1>

You end edit wars? Hardly, when you start reverting an edit by an admin (in this case Shran) who reverted you, then you are starting the war. You have already managed to have an article protected because of your war-like behavior. I'm not going to bother responding to the rest of this. Shran already did on your talk page. I may be getting to your edits first, but there are a lot of admins here, and they are not reverting me back to your versions, so they agree with my edits. I would add that this is not always true. I would also add that you need to read Memory Alpha:Strive for community solutions, specifically the sections called "Pages, not people". I am following MA policy, and keeping an eye on all recent changes on Memory Alpha. I am not intentionally going after your edits, they just simply happen to have almost all violated Memory Alpha policies, and I am enforcing them for the good of the articles, and not any feelings I have about you yourself. Oh look, I responded anyways. Oops. Good day. --OuroborosCobra talk 01:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with you anymore Edit

At least you are diligent when addressing me. But Shran on the otherhand, he's hopeless. Just look at his user page! His name is Chuck, so he's probably an inbred redneck. --JeanLucPicard1 04:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Ortzinator's weird message Edit

Hi mister poopy pants! --Ortzinator 05:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Starting a new thread about new images Edit

Sorry, OC, it was late, I was tired, and I wasn't thinking...Capt Christopher Donovan 06:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

As part of an exchange program Edit

If you'd had seen the movie, you'd've known Picard HIMSELF uttered that. 16:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

A) it is an episode, not a movie. B) I did see it, but we do not put Captain's logs in the summaries the way you did, and it still looked like the version. I have already apologized, if you are not willing to accept it, and not willing to stop with these attacks, then you are going to find your visit to MA much shorter than you would like. --OuroborosCobra talk 16:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

"you are going to find your visit to MA much shorter than you would like". wtf? is this a threat? 13:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Copied from User talk: Edit

This is in reply to the threat question you left on Cobra's talk page. What Cobra said was more of a warning than a threat. Those who continue making personal attacks against other users, especially after being warned, face being temporarily blocked from editing. I'm hoping that won't be necessary in your case, but just to let you know, if you make another personal attack, you may be temporarily banned. As I said, though, I hope it won't come to that. And as Cobra said, criticizing a person's edits (as you did above) are one thing, but attacking the person who made those edits will get you blocked. So please try to refrain from such attacks in the future. Thanks! --From Andoria with Love 19:03, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Wtf are talking about? Banning or blocking? Cause are two different things, neither I fear as much as you'd want. Frankly, I don't give a damn about any of this since you can only ban or block my ip, which is often regarded by idiots to be the same as the person who uses it. Anyway, you can't ban or block ME, so stop rambling. 18:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't rambling. You asked a question, I answered it and clarified it. And we are only talking about a block; sorry for the confusion, I have a habit of using those terms (ban and block) interchangably. And yes, it is only youre IP that's blocked, but if that IP was blocked, that would effectively prevent you from editing on MA... while using that IP, of course. So, no, we can't actually block you, the individual, from viewing the site or anything... but that's not what we were warning you about, was it? ;) --From Andoria with Love 19:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

"while using that IP, of course". I think that's the magic phrase. I can change my ip whenever I want, wherever I want so you can't block me. capisci? 13:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure, you can keep changing your IP, and the admins can keep blocking them one by one. Eventually, you would realize (if you chose to do this) that it actually takes you more work to change your IP than it does for the admins to block them, and then you would give up and go elsewhere. What does it matter though? You're going to follow MA policy, like all of us try to, and the admins won't need to block you. --OuroborosCobra talk 13:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
In any case, this discussion stops here and now. You continue to do whatever you deem necessary, and we do the same. Thanks, Cid Highwind

RE: Redirects Edit

Thanks for the info. BTW no hard feelings about before (The whale probe firefly thing, see my talk page)I was feeling a little punchy. Anytime you want to make any suggestions about my contributions, I'd be happy to hear them. --Captain MAJ =/\=|**** 19:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Mae Jemison Edit

You reverted a link to Mae Jemison claiming she's not in star trek. Actually, she appeared in TNG: "Second Chances" as Lieutenant Palmer. -- Jaz talk 00:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Damnit! I am not doing well today. Thanks for fixing it. I swear I am not usually this bad, ask anyone... --OuroborosCobra talk 00:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I know what my problem is. I started using the "diff" button yesterday. Since then I have been doing bad reverts by not looking at the article, only the changes box. I have learned my lesson, and will try to do better. --OuroborosCobra talk 00:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

"Hundreds of images" Edit

In Memory Alpha:Files for deletion you wrote:

"In addition, we may want to discuss the hundreds of episode images now coming up."

If you can ping back and give me some guidance as to whether or not I've been part of the problem - and how to fix it, if I have - I'd really appreciate it. Persist1 14:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Remastered version-screencaps Edit

Ok, but why do you revert the on board-screeners, too? they do not feature any new CGIs and simply state copies of the old images with slightly or much better quality (depending on previous image). --BlueMars 17:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Quite frankly, the older ones were better quality. In most cases they were higher resolution and less blurry than the current "remastered" stuff. Maybe this will be different when we have DVDs to take screencaps from. --OuroborosCobra talk 18:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Many of the new ones were also badly cropped, with black edges, etc. --OuroborosCobra talk 18:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Reverts to Duty shift Edit

You keep reverting my edits to Duty shift, suggesting speculation. I give up. Please see my comments on Duty shift's talk page for further discussion on whether or not this is "speculation". I'll leave it up to you or someone else to re-add this content if it's deemed appropriate for the Wiki. I'm not going back and forth anymore. --Fastolfe 23:32, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I have left a reply. --OuroborosCobra talk 23:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Damage Control Teams Edit

No problem. It's one of my "specialties"...finding little bit's of info that have been overlooked in larger articles (like factoids about dilithium, Vulcan telekinesis, the Kzinti ship proposed for Enterprise, etc) :) Capt Christopher Donovan 00:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Nationality Edit

what nationality are you, ourubie? --

I'm not sure what an "ourubie" is, but an ouroboros is a symbol of a dragon forming a circle by swallowing its own tail. (see Ouroboros) A cobra is self explanatory... if it isn't, you need to watch more Crocodile Hunter. :P (or, you could just check out the page at Wikipedia). --From Andoria with Love 18:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

so, you're australian? --

No... also, I'm not the person you're asking about, I'm just replying for him because I'm such a nice guy. ;) --From Andoria with Love 18:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, um, what the just happened here? Where did it go from you asking me what nationality I am to you guessing I am an Australian? My head hurts now. Well, for the record, I am an American, from Massachusetts. It says this at Memory Alpha:Archivists, but that is kinda hard to find, so I'm not surprised you did not see it. As for my name, there is an explanation in my user page. --OuroborosCobra talk 02:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey cobra Edit

What do you think of my kick-ass new sig? --Bp | USS Enterprise, TOS opening credits  Ma forum new Ma forum new Ma forum new First Contact poster | Talk! 08:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

How can I make my sig like that? --
You trying to blow up your favorite movie Bp? :P --OuroborosCobra talk 16:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Mars Defense Perimeter image Edit

Regarding my comment on a possible dust storm on Mars during this scene: The visibility of the pole caps is not affected enough by global Martian dust storms to completely obscure them. Click here to see an example. Regards. --BlueMars 18:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you're going to throw logical and evidence at me?! Well guess what! It worked. :-P I am restoring your note. --OuroborosCobra talk 05:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Borg History Edit

Hmm... you're right. Well, in that case, we have no idea how dar Borg territory reaches, so I guess the reference should be removed entirely, yes? :) --From Andoria with Love 03:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. --OuroborosCobra talk 03:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome Edit

Cobra, love your posts and dedication to the site and to Trek. Very cool. I don't know how I haven't discovered this site until recently. Fantastic stuff. Anyway, I am die-hard Trek fan like yourself and was fortunate enough to get the chance to be on the show during the fateful last season of ENT through a charity auction. It was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. Thanks for yours and del Beccio's fix of my post. The unnamed section of the NX-0l crew is awesome. =/\= Gabriel Bell 05:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Threat to ShranEdit

When will come Trotter online so i can post him a message?

I am assuming you are asking for me? What can I do for you? By the way, for future reference, please don't contact other people when looking for someone. To reach me, just leave a message on my talk page and I'll see it when I log on. And, who knows, I may even reply. :P --From Andoria with Love 23:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
First off, to the anon, who are you, and who is Trotter? Second off, just curious Shran, why do you think he is trying to contact you? His message on my talk page seems to be his only contribution. I'm very confused at the moment. Been away at a cousin's wedding, and then I see this. My brain burts. --OuroborosCobra talk 00:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Charles T. Trotter is the real name of antena guy, thought you knew that. He blocked me a couple of days ago when i told him i'm gonna fly to Virginia, USA next month and i'll try to find him a have a little "chat" with him. The fact is that i have indeed a trip scheduled to USA, Virginia, next month and i will sweep the entire CNU for him until i find him. Oh, yes, you tell me I don't know what to expect. Well, Trotter himself doesn't what to expect i'm afraid. I'll find him, that's for sure, just wait till next month.
You realize that you are making serious threats here, and that authorities could be notified? --OuroborosCobra talk 16:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Authorities in VA have been notified, as have CNU security, the Games Academy und der Polizei. Trust me, he won't get far, assuming he is planning anything, which I doubt. --From Andoria with Love 22:16, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Hmmm.... apparently the guy lives somewhere in Asia, possibly in Korea. Kim Jong-il, maybe? :-P --From Andoria with Love 10:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Image insertion Edit

Hi there. While I am new to memory alpha, I was a little surprised by the note I recieved. I noticed that there were no planetary images of Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto on their respective pages. NASA is a highly respectable (I hope) government organization. The planetary images uploaded are only of these planetary bodies. Also, it should be noted that while these planets were never actually shown on screen in any Star Trek show or movie, the ships computers on any Starfleet ship, or for that matter part of the computer information systems for any major spacefaring, warp-capable species would contain these images from NASA (presuming of course that they weren't destroyed during the Eugenics war) Based on this, I am unclear as to why these images should not be part of the memory alpha database as well. Regards, --Jhogan6 03:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)Jhogan6

The reason we do not want these images is that they are not from canon sources. For those sources, see Memory Alpha:Canon policy. Remember, Memory Alpha is the canon Star Trek wiki, and therefore our material, including images of planets, should come from canon. --OuroborosCobra talk 03:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

German language Edit

Hi OuroborosCobra,

Please tell me what's wrong with using the word "also" in the sentence "German was also the language spoken by the Nazi regime of the early 20th century."

I do know that that the article German language does not imply that the Nazis were the only ones who spoke German, but neither did i delete the sentence nor did i change the (general) meaning of it.

The article starts with "German was a Human language spoken on Earth, specifically in the countries of Germany, Austria and Switzerland". In my opinion it is just better to use the "also" to imply a new part of the article: "German was a Human language spoken in Germany and it was also spoken by the Nazis."

Whats wrong with that?

Thank you


There is no need for an also. If it were at the top, part of that same paragraph talking about Germans and Austrians and such, it would make sense, but down where it is, there is not reason to have it. --OuroborosCobra talk 18:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I do not agree with you but in order not to start arguing with you because of a single word I'll leave the sentence as it is - without the also.


P.S. Another question: Somebody has deleted "Austria" out of the first sentence. Could I change it again, please? I don't know why it was deleted because German is the official language of Austria.

I did. German is the official language of Austria, but, afaik, Austria wasn't mentioned in Trek. If I'm wrong on that, by all means put it back... and also feel free to write an article (cited, of course!) on Austria. :) -- Renegade54 18:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, Austria is mentioned on the German page of Memory Alpha because there was a skiing sequence in TNG: "Planet Angel One". In the German translation that took place in the Austrian Mountains. And then there are several Austrian-American actors such as Bibi Besch. But I fear that's not enough for the English Memory Alpha, isn't it?


Sure, that would be enough... all it needs is one reference to be considered canon. See if you can track down that reference in an English script for that particular episode. References to actors of Austrian descent would need to be in the background section of the article, though (assuming that a canon reference can be made). -- Renegade54 18:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... Unfortunately the English script says "Danubian Mountains". But what do I have to do to proof the Austrian history of actors? I Just know that several sources like Wikipedia and the Internet Movie Database mention Austrian origin for Bibi Besch, Celia Lovsky and Theodore Bikel (for Theodore Bikel it is also mentioned on this database). MaFe, 21:08 (MEZ)

Just because the actors are from Austria does not mean that Austria gets an article on MA. It still was not mentioned. Any links would have to be to wikipedia, or not links at all. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

No, you misunderstood me again! I do not want to create a new article for Austria! I just want to add information like (* February 1st 1940 Vienna, Austria; † September 7th 1996 in Los Angeles, USA) to articles like the one of Bibi Besch!!! MA has got such informations! Look here: Theodore Bikel. That's really everything I want... MaFe (21:23 MEZ)

Excuse me, but there is no need to shout at me, or leave statements full of exclamation points. It was a simple misunderstanding as to what you wanted, that is all. If you are going to respond this way on my talk page, then I will stop trying to help you. As far as what you have now stated you want, I do not see a problem with that. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't want to shout at you or things like that. May I excuse myself if it looked like that? Thank you for the previous informations, anyway. I think that's all for tonight... Greetings from Nuremberg, MaFe

MaFe, you're free to expand on information in an actor's article (such as their birthplace, etc.) since those are based on real world information (just like in Theodore Bikel). You just can't add it to an in-universe article like German language unless there's been a canon reference (i.e. on screen) to it. That's why it was removed from the language article. Verstehen Sie? :) -- Renegade54 19:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Danke, hab' schon verstanden! (Thank you, I understand) MaFe

About revertsEdit

Hi Cobra. There's a question regarding your revert of Federation members on Talk:Federation members (section "Benzar?"). Could you please add something there, and perhaps remember to not revert without reason in the future? I know there are many people who do, but that doesn't make it a good thing... Thanks. :) -- Cid Highwind 20:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

re:File:JonathanArcher2155.jpg Edit

glad you approve, though he still looks a bit angry. there's just not much material from 2155. Deevolution 19:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Edit

Thanks for the welcome message, Ouroboros!

Have loved the site for a long time, finally had a small amount of time to make a tiny contribution. If you want to see what I have been doing with the rest of my time, check out my wiki:


--Batai 18:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Your comment about my contribution being too speculative and redundant Edit

I added my comment to that article because what was there originally is inadequate. What I have written is the only logical conclusion rhat makes any sense within the context of all other canonical information and is consistent with the original article and scientific reality. I added this comment to provke some thought and possibly further comment. I wasn't aware that information that you personally find "speculative" isn't "allowed".

Please explain. --Johnallen1026 18:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Deaf and Deafness Edit

I went back and forth about doing a redirect for these or not. Do you suggest splitting the "deafness" section from ear and creating a new article? -Humu­humu­nuku­nuku­āpuaʻa 19:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

We could do that as a start. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I'll take care of it. Cheers! -Humu­humu­nuku­nuku­āpuaʻa 19:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

good morning cobra Edit

Forgot to say that in IRC. The "cobra you damn liar" bit was about your edit of chewing gum while you were labeled as sleep, right after we talked about it. --Bp 15:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

LOL, yeah, I know. I only left IRC because I decided to get some things done. Probably should have just switched to Cobra|AFK. --OuroborosCobra talk 15:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm BackEdit

Captain Zman here, I added the remastered pictures of Tango and to Starbase 11, for the Trek Remastered episodes that just came out. - Captain Zman

whadaf*k Edit

Hello to whoever cobra who choses a klingon symbol of all things to represent himself. Allow me to respond like a kligon, with honor. I do not understand this page fully. I am not a trekie. I am merely a mental warrior. As such I have become acustomed to the idea that others may find my remarks impertinent, inopropriate, incomprehensible or otherwise objectional. This is why before engaging in such a contest of minds and wills, I take care to anylise the nature of other peoples comments in order to help myself to define the rules of combat inherent to a specific forum. Now, when I feel that I have in no way acted or spoken outside the norms established by my fellow participants I become quite displeased when the results of my hard work are imeadiately deleted for no apparent reason beyond the fact that their wording is precise and therefore seems to the ignorant to be intimedating or long-winded. I find such behavior to be both cowardly and extremely disrespectful. Therefore honor demands that I challenge you sir either show me the nature of my ignorance, or to meet me in personal combeat. While my time with humans has shown me the value of words and mental maneuver, I assure you that my heart is infact klingon and I do hear the cry of the warrior so believe me kind sir when I say that I am absolutley totally and in all other ways dead serious.

With all due respect, sir.

I don't know how this works or if you even care but just incase my e-mail is and I would greatly apreciate a response to my challenge. In the meantime I will attempt to salvage what has already been deleted in the hopes that I may be asked to re-submit the data at a later time once this nastiness has been resolved.

My fellow warrior, the problem with your data was where you posted it. You put it in the article, which is to be written in-universe. Our articles are not here to include content on the analysis of whether things in Star Trek, such as the four quadrant system, make sense or not. In addition, as an in-universe article, it was entirely improper to have content on what Gene Roddenberry's original intentions. Memory Alpha is written from the perspective of someone living in that universe. That is why your content was removed. There are a great many places that are there for analysis of Trek, but Memory Alpha is not one of them. I suggest TrekBBS. --OuroborosCobra talk 01:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear OuroborosCobra, Thank you, sincerely. You are truely honorable. I did not excpect such a response and my heart is gladdened. Let me first say that I tried as hard as I was willing, but not as hard as I could to find the propper page for my comments and now I understand why my comments on other pages have not been deleted. You have truely answered my chanlenge by explaining to me precisely how I am ignorant and thus have avoided all need or desire for physical confrontation. I am so gladdened by your response that I no longer feel remorse at the loss of my fleeting observations. I will try to abide by the guidelines as I now understand them and will never again question any deletions made by you or your peers, so great is my respect for this one answer. As I said, I am not a trekie and my true intent was but to invite a response to my rhetorical questions. You have my e-mail and as a being of honor I would greatly appreciate any response that you may have. Now that you have bested me I can see no reason for my words to take up any more space on this page and invite you delete this personal corrispondance as it suits your needs.

P.S. thank you also for your sense of humor in not taking my Klingon response too personally, though had you acted without honor my Human sense of justice would have required a dual. lol

Your fellow CAP member Edit

Well, you and this guy and his cat. My impression of CAP couldn't be any lower. ;) --Bp 07:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It's from Trekkies 2, btw. --Bp 07:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Mmm, not exactly the model photo of a CAP member. Still, atleast we actually got a mention in something media like. More than we usually get... --OuroborosCobra talk 07:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

RE: deletion deletion Edit

Do not remove a {{delete page}} while the discussion is still in progress. If you disagree with deleting it, then follow the link in it to the discussion on deletion. Removing it can be considered vandalism. --OuroborosCobra talk 09:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Done and Done, sorry about the Faux Pas. My 2 cents were logged. -Foravalon

A Quick "Thank You"Edit

Just stopping by to say thanks for the welcome.Jayunderscorezero 18:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Standardizing perspectiveEdit

Klingon augment virus Levodian flu

Antibiotics ain't enough to handle this.

Cobra (incidentally, what form of nickname do you prefer, rather than typing out your whole username?), just noticed some strange wording on your userpage: "From the age of three years old he was known to play with my food". Maybe "He was known to play with his food" would work better. Speedy recovery from your cold. Hopefully it doesn't develop into the Levodian flu; that can get nasty. - -StAkAr Karnak 23:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I prefer Cobra, just as you used. Thanks very much for pointing out the problems on my user page. I need to get around to fixing that, and actually working on my subpage. The cold is almost gone, and hasn't mutated yet. Who knows, though, anything is possible. Hope I don't get forehead ridges ;-) --OuroborosCobra talk 23:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

No one laugh at me Edit

I know what I wrote... --OuroborosCobra talk 00:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Trek Life Edit

Sorry about all the edits. I was updating as I got myself caught up. I had never read them until today, so as I read, I entered. Once again, sorry. --WTRiker 03:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers Edit

I understand that the full details of an episode should be revealed in each article, but I like to read the synopsis sentences before I see an episode and it seems like it's best to just avoid spoiling too much when the description of the episode occurs in great detail below. I guess it's a matter of taste, but let me know what you think. I guess I'm new here and don't really understand what's going on. -Joshk 22:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like something to bring up on Memory Alpha:Ten Forward. --OuroborosCobra talk 22:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


Sorry about my comment on IRC. As an admin/senior contributor/whatever I am these days, I should not make jokes or make light of something that may offend other contributors, and I did not mean to offend you in anyway. I was attempting to finish the other user's joke, and did not think ahead as to what effect it might have on you. I apologize for any insult I may have made in my carelessness.--Tim Thomason 18:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not angry at you, I am angry at Bp. He has been asked by Shran and myself to stop, even had his bot temporarily banned over it. You have nothing to apologize for, as you did not know this. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Copying from Wikipedia Edit


Is there any way to apply for permission for use? Because there are several episodes that have only stubs here that are fleshed out in full over there. Branfish 05:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope, no way. Basically, people here need to write our own summaries. --OuroborosCobra talk 05:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

re: Star Trek parodies nav template Edit

Sorry 'bout that. I didn't even see the nav box there. — Scott (talk) 17:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. That is why I made an emoticon of me sticking my tongue out, it isn't a big deal. :-) --OuroborosCobra talk 17:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

re:Image namesEdit

Hey, I've responded to your message regarding the image names on my talk page. Do you usually watch talk pages? If yes, then sorry to have posted this message. Picard(o) 00:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

re: File:FMurrayAbraham.jpg Edit

Hi again, are there a set of templates that can be used to provide origin of images? They don't appear to be listed at Memory Alpha:Canon policy. — Scott (talk) 16:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind, I found them at Memory Alpha:Message templates. They're not easy to find. I would recommend that they're linked to from Template:pna-cite. — Scott (talk) 16:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi and welcome Edit

Thank you for Your greetings. I'm working most on the polish wikipedia and here in MA I'm greenhorn- I don't know what's going on here (sorry my english is terrible). I registered on a polish edition of MA and I have question: Is it so tha when I registered on the polish MA I have acount on the all editions of MA? Cheers Semper malus 13:52, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello! Edit

Why must you hurt me? I love you. Merry Christmas! Fartboy79 02:42, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

No, you don't love me. If you did you would not vandalize. --OuroborosCobra talk 02:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

re: Personal attacks Edit

Read and understand: User talk:Bp#Personal attacks Thanks. -- Cid Highwind 11:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I have read it, and I must respectfully disagree. Take that forum thread, for example. I genuinely was trying to figure out what it was that he was doing. He basically just put up a list of pages, with zero explanation. I asked what it was he wanted, so that I might be able to help. I really don't see what is wrong with trying to help. --OuroborosCobra talk 11:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
In addition, I am not targeting Bp. I was not targeting Alan, and I was not targeting Donovan, etc. I simply look at RC, and when I see something I can contribute to, or would like to contribute to, I do so. Yes, Bp and I have some issues in IRC. I have handled those by putting him on ignore if he gets to be too much of an ass. What I am typing here is the very first time I have made any mention of it within Memory Alpha. I have kept that separate. --OuroborosCobra talk 11:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I would add that I feel Bp's behavior is odd, even for him. When I first joined Memory Alpha, he was among the people who taught me to give new users and such the benefit of the doubt, to even help them. He taught me such things as "assume good faith". In the last two weeks, he has completely shifted his attitude. In addition to these personal attacks, he has made edits without any caring for what the community feels, he has gone into long arguments with the community. He makes cryptic comments and notes which are difficult for experienced users to figure out, let alone new users. He even went as far as logging out, making a revert entirely over the opinion of the community, after the community had made a decision over the talk page. These are all behaviors that I do not think of as Bp like. I do not know where these are coming from, but something about him has changed big time over the last few weeks, and it really has me worried about him. --OuroborosCobra talk 11:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Phase II podcast Edit

I moved my Phase II promotional link to Fan Films, STOP CENSORING folks, thank you!!! - Mark McLaughlin

Thank you for moving it to the right place. I'm not trying to censor you, but there is a proper place for everything, and where you were putting it wasn't the right one. That is why I suggested a better place. I look forward to the release of your podcast, I will be among the early downloaders. --OuroborosCobra talk 06:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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