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Defiant

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"Point of Extinction"?Edit

It's not listed on the Undeveloped Star Trek: The Animated Series episodes page. Where did you see this proposed episode? --LauraCC (talk) 14:36, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

The script is here: [1] --Defiant (talk) 14:39, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Cool. :) --LauraCC (talk) 14:52, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

It appears the last page or so is missing though. --LauraCC (talk) 15:06, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

That's disappointing, but thanks for notifying me. It's about double the length of a TAS script anyway, as most of the others I've uncovered have only 20-odd pages. --Defiant (talk) 15:10, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

I say this because when I get to the end, the last page has "as:", indicating a transition. I think what may be missing is the punchline to the final joke. There's also a part where a descriptive passage has faded away on the right side of the page. --LauraCC (talk) 15:12, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I spotted that. --Defiant (talk) 15:22, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

It may not have been made because it was a) too long, b) another episode that featured fewer crew members (although depending on who voiced who, it might ultimately have been cheaper to make), and c) the themes of racism might have been too emphasized for child viewers. An interesting concept, though. --LauraCC (talk) 15:25, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

I thought it may have relied too heavily on viewers' foreknowledge, re: Trek species, concepts, etc. Aside from that, iirc, when the deal was made for the animated series to be produced, a series run of 22 episodes was intended right from the get-go. So, it may be that there wasn't enough episode blocks to allow for the making of this episode, as they were all reserved for other stories. In conclusion, there seems a multitude of possible reasons why "Point of Extinction" wasn't produced. --Defiant (talk) 15:40, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Pol link fixesEdit

Note: I can run a bot to fix 'em all later tonight. I'm presuming that the spelling came from the script... was her name ever seen on screen (credits or otherwise)? -- sulfur (talk) 16:20, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure. It's just that I had a look at the article's talk page and it seems pretty conclusive, from that, that all sources say "Danara". Both the first draft and final draft of the "Lifesigns" script has that, as well as the other sources given in the talk page. --Defiant (talk) 16:38, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

Twelve billion Edit

Before we start an edit war I ask you to watch the actual episode. I've checked this several times and Phlox says "Well, billion of people sharing one continent." There is no mention of "twelve" regaring the population of Denobula. I don't know where your information comes from, I think the script, but the actual in-universe text has to reflect what was really said in the episode. Tom (talk) 08:07, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

I absolutely made sure to watch the episode before changing the info, also checking the transcript; it's definitely "twelve billion". Perhaps you're watching a different edit than I am, though? --Defiant (talk) 08:11, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

I am watching the version on the ENT Season 2 Blu-ray. You? Btw, the transcripts are often wrong if you refer to the transcripts on chakoteya etc. Tom (talk) 08:15, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

I've now checked the version on Netflix, and the version on the ENT Season 2 Blu-ray. Both versions say the same: 12 billion. Re: your second point, I'm aware of that. Just wanted to get a second opinion, and it turned out to match what I see in the episode. --Defiant (talk) 08:23, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

So now what? It is definitly not twelve on my version. Tom (talk) 08:27, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

I suspect why this has come up is the way John Billingsley pitches the word "twelve"; he projects it quite a bit quieter than the word "billion", though he definitely says it. The answer to your question "so now what?" depends on how much evidence you're willing to settle for. Since the second opinion of the transcript wasn't sufficient for you to accept it as "twelve billion", do you know how much proof you do require? --Defiant (talk) 08:32, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
It's also "twelve billion" in the Blu-ray subtitles and in this transcript: [2]. --Defiant (talk) 08:35, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
...and in this transcript: [3]. --Defiant (talk) 08:37, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
...and in this transcript: [4]. Any more proof required? --Defiant (talk) 08:43, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

Yes of course. As you said before. Transcripts can be wrong. I've started a discussion on Talk:Denobula because my comments here were rejected four times (edit conflicts). Tom (talk) 08:54, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

That's rather unfortunate; sorry about that. --Defiant (talk) 08:56, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

ScriptsEdit

  • Is there any chance I could get access to the Enterprise scripts? if so send me an email to Mattboesch@att.net or message on here. Thanks.

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