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How does it look goofy? It clearly establishes that the same color was used across both uniforms and it's done with less code. --Kevin W.Talk to me 19:27, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

I avoided using any combined boxes, even where I could, since it's a short table, and to maintain that even though it is the same color, it's a separate uniform. I drew the line at showing the command and operations colors separately for the 2366-2370s uniform types A and B, since that would also look silly. - Archduk3:talk 13:04, January 1, 2010 (UTC)


If you're serious about this then submit it to be a user project. :) — Morder (talk) 06:35, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Already did, I think. :) - Archduk3:talk 06:39, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
...unless you are talking about it being on one of my subpages as opposed to an actual project page, in which case I opted for this since I don't think there is going to be a huge influx of support for this, since it is kind of silly; though still worth a try. ;) - Archduk3:talk 06:45, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Still, I wouldn't expect much support unless it's a real project. Putting it under your namespace technically makes it your project only. — Morder (talk) 06:46, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't know that, thanks :) (I'm going to assume that the mass of text on the User Project talk page was about that). I'll move it in a couple of days/weeks if I don't any bites by then. - Archduk3:talk 06:54, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
User project pages (as you may note from the article above) can be in a user's namespace or as a subpage of the Projects. We have both. -- sulfur 11:16, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

SVG of: 2370s_Starfleet.png

image as svg, I pastet it here, because I don't want to register.

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Thanks. - Archduk3:talk 13:55, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Starfleet.png delete

Upload a replacement first. Then I'll delete it. :P -- sulfur 14:05, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yaeger "fix"

If that's the fix, that kinda of thing will likely have to be done all over the place, and it's an ugly work-around fix. Very fugly. :( -- sulfur 17:37, January 7, 2010 (UTC)


Hey. First of all, great job with holographic duplicates. I would like to ask you a question, though. How many holograms do you think are there in "Hollow Pursuits"? Two (Barclay Program 15, Enterprise-D) or four (Program 15, Ten Forward, Troi's quarters, Enterprise bridge)? QuiGonJinnTalk 19:46, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I would say only two, since there is nothing to suggest that the Enterprise-D holograms were different from each other, so I went with the "safe" assumption that they were from the same program. (and there is a limit to the number of images from that episode that would be reasonable). :) - Archduk3 04:45, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Trek XI ranks

I'm an administrator over at the Trek fanfic wiki and as you can see by [1], I like to have as many ranks as I can compiled, especially since I'm not constrained by the same canon policies as this wiki is. Anyway, I was wondering if you'd be willing to do a full set of Trek XI ranks for us that we'd be able to use. It's the one area of the ranks that's really lacking. Feel free to contact me at if you're interested. Thanks. --Kevin W.Talk to me 04:42, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sidebar image

Hey archduk3, just letting you know that I had to undo the revision you made to the {{Sidebar image}} it broke the novel sidebars for some reason. I haven't looked into what caused it and thought I'd leave it up to you since you know what you expect from it. — Morder (talk) 07:00, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Are you talking about the imagecap function? That seems to be the only thing I can find wrong with it. - Archduk3 17:06, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
...and I seem to have fixed that, though I'll wait until you reply to make the changes on the actual templates. - Archduk3 17:10, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Looks fine, I'd suggest you look at any other templates that Sidebar image references first before you update it. — Morder (talk) 22:30, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

I had tested it on {{Sidebar reference book}}, but never thought to test it on novel one. :) I'll make the change to the novel template and then run through the rest before reverting the image template back. - Archduk3 22:35, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
That should do it, besides {{Sidebar military conflict}} which I'm still working on; so if anything else explodes, let me know, since it probably just needs two pills of extra code and to call me in the morning. ;) - Archduk3 23:06, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
Look at {{sidebar fictional}}. Scroll over the images on the doc page. Their caption is "{{{2}}}". I'm pretty sure that's not the caption. -- sulfur 23:34, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
I'm working on that now, no idea how I messed that one up. - Archduk3 23:36, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
I fixed it. You had the closing of the {{sidebar image}} template in the wrong place. -- sulfur 23:38, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, that would be it. Thanks. :) It still seems to act funny if there is no caption though. - Archduk3 23:42, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
The "if" should be fixed to give a default option like the other sidebars. -- sulfur 23:57, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to want to default to a "blank" space, and I can't think of something that would work for this and {{Sidebar individual}}, since they have the same problem. There just don't seem to be any images using these sidebars without captions, so not sure if it's really a problem to just make a caption manditory. (Also, if you have a fix, go for it, since my brains fried after today) - Archduk3 00:05, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the help with this. :) - Archduk3 00:43, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
If you're referring to putting a caption underneath the image, I'd avoid that to be honest. Just have it show up when the mouseover is done. -- sulfur 02:01, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
I'm just trying to keep the character, fictional, and hologram templates as consistent as possible, though I'm not opposed to removing them. - Archduk3 02:05, January 16, 2010 (UTC)


I watched Nemesis for the first time since it first came out. I was surprised at how good it was. I don't recall liking it originally. Perhaps I had been on a Star Trek hiatus at the time. But I've recently started watching all the shows I can get a hold of. And I absolutely loved Nemesis this time around. It was action packed with a good story line. I didn't like that Data died, but his actions were perfect. It was simply fantastic. The preceding unsigned comment was added by FeO2E (talk • contribs).

That's good to hear... - Archduk3 02:47, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Sidebar image round 2

Please read Template talk:Sidebar image - this template is not supposed to allow rescaling of images or displaying caption text. I don't want an edit war, but I'm going to revert your changes again. Discuss on that talk page if you've got problems with that. -- Cid Highwind 12:54, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'm in the middle of writing my reply, but I can just as easily ask you hear. Why not? - Archduk3 12:56, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Because the main function of {{sidebar image}}, the reason why it has initially been implemented back then, is to have the "magic number" of 292px in exactly one place, where it can easily be changed if such need arises. For the record, the reason for making images exactly 292px wide is the fact that this is the image size that will exactly fill a 300px sidebar, which, in turn, is exactly the width of ad blocks that Wikia chose to dump in front of our sidebars a while back. We want sidebars to have the width of eventual ad blocks in front of them, so that the text flow won't be damaged even further than it already is by including ads in the text.

Now, back to the point: Allowing to change the image size is a decision that defeats the whole purpose of the template - because, as said, its basic purpose is to create images of a certain size. If such is done, and especially if the 292px magic number is then spread to all sidebar templates calling this image template to act as a default fallback value there, we might as well stop using the template completely and simply include thumbnail images in sidebars directly. -- Cid Highwind 13:27, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'm just going to keep this here, as multipage conversations in the morning are not good for my head.
I get the reasoning behind it, but some sidebars that use it, such as {{Sidebar military conflict}} also use images that at 292px are huge, so a size change option was added to allow for that. Almost all images still use the 292px standard, and only three(?) templates even have a call for it, so I don't see the issue here since all still default to 292px, excepting the species "small" images. - Archduk3 13:40, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not saying that no image in a sidebar should ever be allowed to be of a different size - all I'm saying is that the one template that has been designed to allow for centralizing the standard size of sidebar images shouldn't be the one allowing "random" other sizes at the same time. If a sidebar really needs to contain images of a non-standard size, for some good reason, then that sidebar could just include a thumbnail image directly or, if needs be, call a different template. Using one template for two mutually exclusive functions is not a good idea, in my opinion. -- Cid Highwind 13:56, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

I guess I just don't see them as mutually exclusive, since having images in sidebars not using the template makes it rather moot, since it wouldn't be the central place to change the image size then. {{Sidebar government}} already doesn't use it, and I was going to change that, but I could just change the sidebars that currently use a size adjustment option to not use Sidebar image, but once again, isn't that making the template rather moot? - Archduk3 14:05, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Well... of course, not using the standard size for sidebar images should be something that is not done at a whim, because a single editor "likes it better that way" or something - but because there are very good reasons to do exactly that in exactly that situation. If you don't see how allowing random image sizes runs contrary to the goal of standardizing image sizes, I'm really not sure what I could tell you as further explanation. -- Cid Highwind 14:21, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Having the option for another image size isn't synonymous with allowing it, just like allowing unregistered users to edit isn't the same as asking for vandalism, though the case could be made for both. - Archduk3 15:39, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
One problem with allowing changes to the sidebar image size is that when Wikia goes and creates a new skin then all the specific size images will have to be changed again in order to accommodate a new skin whereas if all the images are standardized, using this template, then we only have to change one location. If you allow arbitrary image sizes then all those locations will have to be changed again. — Morder (talk) 15:45, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
I get that, that's why the standard size wasn't changed. Currently, excluding the species sidebars that are under discussion, only starships with assignment patches and Earth-Romulan War are using a different size, and all but one of the assinment patches are using that 'standard' size. Is it really going to be a big deal to make three edits to change them if it happens? - Archduk3 15:57, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Warp drive

as true as that is i have not seen any evidence, fiction or not, that after Mr Scott sabotaged it they repaired and tested it properly. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dannyryan15 (talk • contribs).

that cleared things up a bit The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dannyryan15 (talk • contribs).

Archive template

You should probably include support for multiple archives. {{archive|2005|2006|2007|2008|2009}} and so forth as there are pages that have multiple. — Morder (talk) 08:42, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Nm, I see how you're doing it - not obvious from the initial doc page to me. :) — Morder (talk) 08:43, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I left it open for pages like Talk:Ambassador class and Talk:Star Trek (film) which have other locations beyond just different years. I'm not planing on adding this to any other pages right away since I want everyone to see it first, just in case someone wants to make some changes. :) - Archduk3 08:48, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

You should probably start a forum as it's usually customary to discuss new templates before we make them :) — Morder (talk) 08:51, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

I could swear someone told me to just go ahead and make one once, though with the crowd around here I'm not about to doubt that I was slipped some bad info there. :) - Archduk3 08:58, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I don't see it as a big deal but we usually discuss them especially about how they should be formatted. Not all templates are accepted - but I don't see a problem with this one...and by the way the above example could be done differently of course {{archive|Other page 1|Other page 2}}. The First Contact one seems to be the one that has a unique "ten forward" reference...— Morder (talk) 09:02, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Sigs on talk pages

Please don't just mark stuff "<unsigned>". If you're going to do that, take the time to go through the history and find the appropriate people to actually credit. -- sulfur 21:02, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

I'm actually doing that now, the page history is a mess. :) - Archduk3 21:03, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

It's all done. It was pretty easy to do actually. You just have to know how to read merges. -- sulfur 21:07, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that would help. :) I had just started close to the beginning of the page and was going edit by edit in between doing some other stuff. - Archduk3 21:14, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

About that picture...

You see, on memory-beta i saw this picture, so i thought it was okay to use it. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mynameislol (talk • contribs).


If you are going to revert an edit that is not vandalism or potentially valid, then please explain it in the edit summary. --Alan 13:33, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that was a bad call. Especially since I forgot to get back to it. I'll make sure to fill out the summary field in the future. - Archduk3 13:50, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Archiving talk pages

Really. While someone else is working on it, just don't. -- sulfur 19:42, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't see that you were already working on it, I must have started just after you. My screen doesn't just magically update when a change is made. Sorry. - Archduk3 19:44, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

The proper way to archive is to delete stuff, and restore the items to be archived. That way, the history goes with the archive, rather than sticking with the top level page. I was in the middle of doing that when you decided to randomly move stuff underneath me. It's sorted out properly now. -- sulfur 19:46, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well, good to know. I'll make sure to flag down an admin in the future then instead of doing it myself. - Archduk3 19:53, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


If you're interested, I have a bunch of US laserdisc release information at User:DarkHorizon/US laserdiscs.

Also, it might be a good idea to change your links from TOS Laserdisc to Star Trek: The Original Series (laserdisc) to match the VHS and DVD pages. -- Michael Warren | Talk 17:23, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Finding information on this is like pulling teeth, since you need at least three sources to just get the basics. I'm going to be at this all week at this rate, so any help is welcome. :) - Archduk3 17:37, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Image sorting

Don't put sort keys on images please. "Media" files don't get sort keys in categories. -- sulfur 13:50, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Roger Wilco. - Archduk3 23:11, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Im so very, Very sorry

Im sorry for not reading the rules when I placed the image of the Escape Pod. Im such a newb XD

I have deleted the image sence I couldn't find the original to credit them like I should have to begin with.

I am also very sorry for deleting the notice that read that they were going to delete the pic.

All I can do is ask for the forgivness of this Wiki. This is my first time joining something like this.

So sorry.


Im sorry I assumed I could delete it, and no thank you i do not require any assistance for now --Four of Five 22:49, June 30, 2010 (UTC)Four of Five


REMOVE ME The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brainmerde (talk • contribs).

Really remove me I told u. I will o the same thing again and again. Please remove me!!!!!! The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brainmerde (talk • contribs).

You are the vandal, invading people privacy. Game is on. Remove me last warning. thanks The preceding unsigned comment was added by Brainmerde (talk • contribs).


Just so you are aware, I have nominated you for admin powers. I see the great amount and good quality work you do and felt it should be recognized. :)--31dot 21:19, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well that was unexpected. I'm kinda at a loss for words here. Thanks. :) - Archduk3 02:33, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
I am completely supporting this. You are polite, clear and don't abuse anything. Well done. ~ Cure A Rainy Day
CONGRATS ArchDuk3!!!!! Like I said on the nominie page, you will definately add to the Administrator collective. Unless of course you act like Hugh, in which case I'm sure they will draw you back in...have fun!--Obey the Fist!! 17:00, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Just fair warning though, I have been known to stare at Livingston. :) - Archduk3 17:04, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Hugh and Livingston

...What does he seek from Livingston?

Yeah...I'm still trying to figure out that scene.--Obey the Fist!! 17:08, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
We will add Livingston's biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.– Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 01:42, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
The tendrils methinks.--Obey the Fist!! 19:30, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
Next step, Borg dolphins. Game over over. - Archduk3 19:46, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
So long, and thanks for all the fish...their resistance was futile.--Obey the Fist!! 23:03, March 24, 2010 (UTC)


Congratulations on your nomination and succession. I was thinking about nominating you since I'm not around much anymore so it's nice to see someone else already did. :) — Morder (talk) 06:27, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :) And it's good to know that you're still floating around out there, even if not as often as before. - Archduk3 20:38, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Romulan War Image Return

I would have changed those logo sizes but had issues doing so. Thanks for taking care of it. --Nero210 23:41, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

We'll see if that sticks, since it's technically still under discussion at Forum:Sidebar templates, even if that room has gone a little stale recently. - Archduk3 00:26, March 17, 2010

Slash Article

Article has been duly moved, with my apologies.

~ Cure A Rainy Day

No need for apologies, we don't expect anyone to check all 40,387 articles before adding information, so sometimes something gets mentioned in the wrong place. No big deal, and welcome to Memory Alpha. - Archduk3 04:27, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

The rule alteration that was removed.

I was the one who submitted the article. I'll see if I can shorten the paragraph and re-submit at a later time if that's okay. I still think the info was important. EAnchor 22:49, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

It's not really the length that was a problem, but the wording. I've never read The Making of Star Trek, so I don't know if the book calls them rules or not, but the way it's worded makes it sound like the movie was wrong to do these things. If the book says they were rules and were broken, that should just be made more clear, if not, then Gene just changed his mind on these points, as he was known to do on many others. - Archduk3 02:26, March 21, 2010 (UTC)


Since you don't want people to see it, guess what -

You just volunteered to help find one. 07:41, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

I already have, but I'm assuming your statement about "greed" is that you can't afford the $40-$50 that these kits are going for on ebay, which leaves someone just giving you one or going to local garage sales and finding one. As I said before, your best bet at finding someone willing to part with one would be Trek BBS, since they have more die-hard collectible hording Trekkies online at any given moment. - Archduk3 10:39, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

See, you weren't paying attention - I'm not looking for the model kit, I'm looking for the playmates toys version. To make matters worse, no matter WHAT I ^&$$( bid, at what time, some little ^&*($%# snipes me in the last 3 seconds!

$40-$50???? I WISH! I've gone as high as $100, and BAM - sniped. That's why I'm asking around like this. When you've been sniped on 12 different attempts for the same thing, and you can't reach through the screen and throttle the little ^&*%&^&s, you have to get creative.

And no - I'm not looking for a "give-away". If I were to find one (a give-away), I'd probably faint :))

I REALLY wish we could handle auction snipers the way the military does with the real thing. 21:08, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Category sorting

Make sure that you add proper category sorting on articles that require it (ie, articles about people with first and last names, and those that begin with "the" or "a"). -- sulfur 14:18, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, quite, indubitably, you are correct good sir. Will do. - Archduk3 14:24, March 28, 2010 (UTC)


Hello me! I'm talking to you so that the notification will pop up. - Archduke 14:02, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks me, I might need your help again soon. - Archduk3 14:04, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
How about anon you? - 14:06, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Image revision deletion

Hello. I was wondering if you would consider deleting the June 27, 2009 version of this image? The reason I ask this is because that version is a non-free image. My reasoning in the deletion discussion: I decided to upload the image as a separate name because the differences in licenses between the two images. I figured that if someone from outside this site wanted to reuse the image, they might think that all past revisions were under the same license. Which would be incorrect. If I was going to upload a fair-use image over another fair-use image, then I'd use the same name.--Rockfang 00:47, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

I just wanted to consult with a higher power before removing it completely, so it should be good to go by tomorrow. Merging it was more about the name then anything else. - Archduk3 04:42, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
That makes sense. Thank you for the reply.--Rockfang 09:40, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Forum feature

Hi Archduk3, I think that you're the author of a monaco.css change for formatting forum unreaded topic. May I suggest you to change last line of the code from "padding-left: 20px;" to "padding-left: 0px;", so after visited, the title return at proper place? I've done it in the italian sister of MA, and it seems to work well. Regards. Gifhtalk19.04.2010 09:53 (local time)

Thanks. :) - Archduk3 07:55, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
There are three states, new+unread, new+read, and old. Indented but no photon represented the new, but read, state. --bp 08:03, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I've also imagined this scenario, but we've so few topic that is a scramble feature for us. One more question, when "new, but read" state expire? I guess never... Regards Gifhtalk19.04.2010 11:38 (local time)

It is just the ":visited" version of the link. It expires the same time as regular new. The "new" posts are not per-user, but ":visited" is per-browser. Neither of those are the best, but it is the best you might expect from wikia, where everything is a hack or messy workaround of a system that wasn't designed for this. BTW, the definition in the CSS as it exists now would be the same as it not existing at all. --bp 10:01, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

PNA categories

When creating these... put in a description. For example, on the new gif replacement thing you're doing, the category should state why the images should be replaced. Not just list 'em. -- sulfur 11:01, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Why Did You Remove My References?

Dear "Archduk3."

Kindly explain why you deleted the references that I posted to "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," which corresponded to the background information that I added. Thank you. Paul Lee.

The reference section is for references directly from the episode. - Archduk3 03:58, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Please Remove My Contributions

Dear "Archduk3,"

I've been a Trekker since long before you were born, I'm sure. For years, I've wanted to contribute to Memory Alpha, and did my best to conform to its guidelines, hoping to add some historical context that would be unknown to most of its readers. But apparently I'm not bright enough to be a contributor. Kindly remove all of my contributions, such as they are, and I'll close my account. Thank you.

Paul Lee

OK. I'm not really sure why you would feel that way, as everyone makes honest mistakes, but if you want your contributions removed I can do that. I would ask you to reconsider though. - Archduk3 04:13, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted that for a few reasons. First off, Paul, while respecting your decision not to edit here anymore, you don't have ownership over factual information or canon content. Your edit to Swahili, for example, was canon content. We can't excise canon information just because a particular editor who added it wants to leave. Second off, you agreed to releasing your edits and their contents to Memory Alpha when you submitted your edits. The following agreement is on every edit page:
"Please note that all contributions to Memory Alpha are considered to be released under Memory Alpha's Creative Commons License (see Copyrights for details). If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here."
For those reasons, I have restored your edits. I hope that you will also reconsider your decision to leave. --OuroborosCobra talk 06:07, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
Actually Cobra, the addition to Swahili added non-canon information (neither United States of Africa nor "Kiswhaili" were mentioned on screen as far as I'm aware). Likewise, the addition to "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" needs to be A. significantly shortened, and B. have a citation that these specific events influenced the writers.– Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 06:36, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thats too bad.

I didn't quiet understand the scope of the project. Thank you for the information. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kurtha11 (talk • contribs).

Hi. Don't know how to PM you, so I'll just post this here

Thanks for correcting my mistakes on the Treason page. Hadn't seen the episode in a bit and forgot the details.BTW, LOVE your proflie pic! The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Not a problem. As for the pic, I just wish I remembered where I got it from. - Archduk3 05:19, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

gif->png replacements

Don't delete the system images until the CSS and other locations have been updated to suit. -- sulfur 00:06, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Since bp put the speedy delete on it, I thought it was good to go. As far as I know, it's only in use on his personal CSS. - Archduk3 00:10, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

VHS pages

Can I ask why you felt the UK VHS pages on The Original Series needed merging? ENT and TAS I can understand, as they're single seasons (essentially), but what purpose did squeezing the substantial amount of information on the TOS pages into a single page serve? The combined page is very long, and more difficult to navigate.

Also, I don't know exactly what you did, but something is now broken on that page - the sidebar has been moved, and the category box is not formatted properly. -- Michael Warren | Talk 14:56, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

The overall plan with VHS was to reformat the pages to be similar to the other home video pages and then add US release information while reducing the number of categories. VHS is the only format that breaks the information down into separate pages by seasons and countries instead of having all the releases for a series on its main page. The idea is that only individual releases of a season, in the form of a box set, should get a separate page.
VHS releases for TOS also didn't make a distinction between seasons, so there was a lot of overlap between pages, and TOS is still small enough, IMO, to fit all that onto one page. It's also not finished, as the US tapes still need to be added which may result in further format changes. When it's done, if it looks like it would be better served by being broken up again, I'll do that, but I would rather get all the information in one place first as it's easier to edit one page as opposed to three. I would ask if you think the Star Trek: The Next Generation (LaserDisc) page is also too long, since I'm using that as my benchmark for page length.
As for the errors, I would also like to know what happened as I can't seem to find any reason why things broken. I assume the sidebar is in monobook, since I don't see anything different but the category box in monaco. - Archduk3 15:31, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

I solved the issue - you forgot to close your <div> tags. :D

Yes, the LD page is too long, IMO, and rather confusing to follow. If anything, it should have gone the same way as the VHS pages - separating by season and country (which I was actually planning to propose when you first created that page, but never got around to).

The VHS pages were deliberately done that way because, unlike DVDs, there is no uniformity of release style or pattern. Dividing it in this way ensured that the reader could find the information they're looking for with greater ease and have it grouped in a way which is logical and doesn't present too much in one go. One page may be easier to edit than three, but it isn't easier to read, particularly in table format - and this was one of the things in my mind as I researched and wrote the VHS pages (another was paralleling the season pages with the season DVD pages). It needs to be broken up in some way, because too long a page in that way just becomes a blur. I think the longer magazine pages just about avoid that problem by virtue of having more content in each row, but I do occasionally try and think of ways to improve the design of those pages (no luck yet, mind).

In the end, it's about utility for the reader - and I don't think the merged version is as useful. -- Michael Warren | Talk 16:38, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Have you seen the Star Trek films (LaserDisc) page? I was thinking something like this might work here (and on other pages as well), as using that method could allow for separate season pages for the individual releases, if need be, while still presenting all the release information on the main page in a manner that doesn't necessarily require someone to go to a separate page. Also, with the lightbox pop-up, cover images don't need to be as large as they once were, since one click will give you a large version of the image without leaving the page. Reducing the image sizes should shrink the pages significantly. I don't know how that will effect monobook users, but at the rate wikia is going, I don't think monobook will be working in a year or so anyways. :(
That said, I don't think separating info by country is a good idea, at least as far as separate pages goes. Having all the release info on one page for a series or season shouldn't expand the page too much more than a re-release does, and TOS should be the worst of that. I do see what you mean by parralling the other season pages, but the individual TOS DVDs are on the main TOS DVD page, which is what I was basing my format on.
I was also going to expand the Star Trek VHS releases in the UK page to a general release timeline, while maintaining the separation by country, as the LaserDisc timeline ended up a bit befuddled with it all mixed together. Separate tables should definitely be used there, without the need for separate pages.
All together, I'm not opposed to other ideas for this, I just think that all the releases should look the same for easier reading when it's done. I took the lack of complaining about the LaserDisc pages to mean that the format I used there, based on the DVD pages, was fine with everyone. :) - Archduk3 17:14, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

I meant to get back to you on this - I will try and do so tomorrow. -- Michael Warren | Talk 21:03, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

I've actually been swamped recently, so I haven't been able to do any major edits to this. - Archduk3 23:33, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

No worries - I'd sooner have more time to discuss this than us reaching a conclusion which ends up having to undo or otherwise upset any work you do.

I'd much prefer that films page if the images were alongside the releases - particularly with the boxsets, as there's less confusion that way.

The issue I had with the TOS DVDs is that they didn't really belong on the pages for the individual season boxsets, and the only other place I could think of to put them was the series page - if you have a suggestion for breaking them up which doesn't interfere with the boxset pages...

To be honest, I don't think it's absolutely necessary for the different home video formats to be 100% identical in format - so long as they're consistent within themselves. My suggestion, though, is to have everything broken up by season - have a TOS Season 1 VHS page, as well as a TOS Season 1 LaserDisc page. On the main series page, have a h2 headline for each country, and in each section have a table which links to each season, provides a sample cover, and identifies the release dates. Something like this, maybe:

Season Example cover Distributor(s) Released
Season One TOS vol 2 UK VHS cover CIC Video 1983-1998

I think this might be the best way to achieve the consolidation you're after, whilst avoiding having an overload of information on one page. -- Michael Warren | Talk 20:30, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

TOS Season 1 (VHS), TOS Season 1 (DVD), TOS Season 1 (LaserDisc)
How about using that for the naming, since the pages would be about individual releases instead of a box set like TOS Season 1 DVD. We're already using that naming logic for the series main page in each format. That should allow for the pages to be broken down when needed without a conflict with box sets.
I would still like to keep the duplicated info between season pages to minimum in any case. Only listing box sets on the main page would solve most of that. There could be a link to that section on each page, or maybe just listing them without the images and other info. Thoughts? - Archduk3 04:52, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Alt E dedication plaque...

where would you like me to post it? The preceding unsigned comment was added by Capt Christopher Donovan (talk • contribs).

Here or on the class' talk page. - Archduk3 23:08, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Some random IP named vandalised the silver boo page. I'll fix it. Telling you because you were the last editor.--PiKaPi talk blog 21:39, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yesterday's Enterprise FA

Sorry Arch! I was perusing it's talk page and it did not look like it had passed the FA nomination process 5 years ago.--Obey the Fist!! 19:00, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the rules were a little more fast and loose back then. It not like you broke the entire site for a few mins or anything. ;) - Archduk3 19:03, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

THAT WAS YOU!!!!! The FAC template went up just fine before your deletion!!! I blame the mod, makes life easier.--Obey the Fist!! 19:05, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Well I'm not taking the blame for the page break line being above the header title now. I didn't do that! - Archduk3 19:07, June 30, 2010 (UTC)


Alright no problem. --Four of Five

Hi, I remember that you said that Islam has never directly been mentioned in Star Trek however the Islamic term Jihad has been mentioned in (TAS: "The Jihad"), thank you--Four of Five 11:31, July 7, 2010 (UTC)Four of Five

You are correct, to a point. Jihad was used as a general term for a holy war, just like it says it is used in western cultures at the wikipedia entry. If the term had been used by the crew of the Enterprise to refer to a Human holy war from history, then there could be a case for an Islam article, but since the term was used by an alien as a general term for a holy war, it's more of a case of artistic licence, much like it was used in the first Dune novel. - Archduk3 13:26, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
Wouldn't suggest bringing religions from Dune into this. Zensunni Islam played a big part in that story, as well as the Orange Catholic Bible, which included text from most major religions. --OuroborosCobra talk 16:15, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but I believe most of that comes from Dune Messiah and Children of Dune (along with the other books), with only a few references in the first book. There's also the Butlerian Jihad, which didn't really have anything to do with the descendants of Islam, but still used the term Jihad for a holy war. - Archduk3 21:16, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Steth and Tom Paris

So how is it correct to say that Tom Paris was played by Dan Butler, when

  • in fact he was just an impostor who switched minds in about less than half of an episode
  • when Butler's bio doesnt state that he is the actor who played Tom Paris, but rather the actor who played Steth and when
  • Robert Duncan McNeil's bio also doesnt state that he is the actor who played Steth.

Yeah that episode was weird, but the info presented in their bio doesnt have to be. This is just nonsense. – Distantlycharmed 04:09, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

The difference there is that they didn't switch minds, they switched DNA. It was still Toms mind and body, just that the DNA in said body wasn't the same. So at that point, since their minds hadn't been switched into new bodies, and they still had the same physical bodies they started with (they didn't trade places during the switch), Dan Butler was playing Paris, with the same body and mind.
As for the bios, they're not infallible, it just hasn't been added yet. - Archduk3 05:26, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
I think this discussion needs to be moved to the relevant article talk page. -- Cid Highwind 11:09, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. - Archduk3 12:28, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Considered v Approached

You do realize that a bot could've made those changes without spamming the RC. Right? :) -- sulfur 21:38, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I was bored, and this way I'm "fixing" the direct links that should be redirects (so as to know who's linked where). - Archduk3 21:41, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

User page creation

If their talk page is also a red link, don't create a user page for them. Use Special:Contact and inform Wikia that their welcoming bot is down. Again. Especially if they don't get created within ~20 minutes. -- sulfur 10:15, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't even notice the talk page. I'll do that from now on. - Archduk3 17:14, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Prometheus Class TNG References

Hi Archduk, I've got a quick question for you. Since you added "Encounter at Farpoint", and I've added "The Arsenal of Freedom" to the Galaxy-class reference, should we also add Star Trek Generations since the Enterprise used its saucer separation in the film as well, or leave it unreferenced due to the feature being used in a different manner to on previous occasions? -- Commander Scott 23:50, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

I only added "Encounter at Farpoint" since, if I remember correctly, they said the saucer didn't have warp drive in the episode. I could actually be thinking of "The Arsenal of Freedom" of course. Either way, I don't think anything happened in Generations worth mentioning, at least as far as the Prometheus class is concerned. - Archduk3 23:55, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, come to think of it, I aren't sure which episode it was stated in either. What do you think; leave both season 1 references for now, and alter it once we know for sure which episode the reference was in? -- Commander Scott 01:12, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

The extra reference isn't hurting anything, so I don't see a reason to remove it until we know for sure. - Archduk3 04:06, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Cool. *thumbs up* -- Commander Scott 04:20, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

it's vs its

FYI, "it's" only even means "it is" or "it has". "its" means "belongs to it." -- sulfur 23:47, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

It's been a long day, and it's not like I'm misusing a semicolon or anything. I'm happy if I, and my shitty laptop keyboard, actually get the words spelled correctly; punctuation is a secondary concern. ;) - Archduk3 23:58, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for catching that page blanking. I have reason to believe that Mr. Silverie or a representative of him is attempting to pump up his resume or something, as I have reverted attempts to remove the fact that he was not credited for his appearance, not only from the article, but from the talk page as you have seen. I have already protected the article itself, but it seems we will have to keep an eye on the talk page.--31dot 01:14, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Not a problem. I always find any subtraction of characters from a talk page suspicious, and it's in my watchlist now, so I'll keep an eye on it. - Archduk3 04:26, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

incessant tagging

It's cool if you put an incomplete tag on the pics to get improvement, but just for the record, have you seen ThomasHL's images? They are all blurry and barely recognizable. This is not to dump on anyone or anything, just point your attention to the fact that "rules" should be applied uniformly to everyone without exempting some people because they are admins or buddies or whatever. Either tag everyone or no one. And by the way not ALL the pics uploaded need a touch up; I've seen worse. Peace. – Distantlycharmed 00:55, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Since I upload any image I take myself with an image cleanup tag, because my image captures suck hard, I don't think you should take it personally. I only noticed yours because Morder said something, I don't actually look at every image uploaded, and I figured if I was already editing the page, why not add the pna. As for Tom's images, I generally don't go out of my way to add that particular pna tag unless there is something really wrong with it. - Archduk3 01:15, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

....but you thought there was something "really" wrong with my images? Like they were blurrier? ;) Err..ok. Anyway, I did follow up on Morder's suggestion and cited the episodes and added the copyright tag (which I had somehow missed on a couple for some reason). – Distantlycharmed 01:26, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't. I only added the pna because I was already editing the page for other reasons, mainly categories. Your uploads actually look better than mine, before Jörg came along "fixed" them. - Archduk3 01:37, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Image clean up

Hey, thanks for getting rid of the distortion. I was about to do it but you beat me to it :) I uploaded another version because that one also seemed still a bit distorted. Feel free to make changes if it still doesnt look right or proportional. By the way, I didnt want to get rid of that original file and that's why uploaded this one because I didnt want to just delete someone else's work. The first picture is from a different angle and I thought people might like it, even though it looks a bit grainy. – Distantlycharmed 07:26, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Uploading a new image doesn't delete the old file, it's always viewable in the history, and even if an admin deletes it, it's still viewable in the deleted history, if only to other admins. If you intend to replace an image with a similar image, you should upload it over the old one, like I did here. Even if it's from a different episode, you should still overwrite the old file, just remember to change the citation afterward. As for the new image, the proportions still look wrong, the old image is taken from this presumably unaltered Trekcore screencap, and comparing the two shows the width ratio is skewed slightly on the new one. - Archduk3 07:43, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

I tried the ratio from the old one and it looked even worse. I understand that files are overwritten, but not deleted. However, my point is, as your example shows, that those are different images of Hoshi. Maybe someone liked having her there with the hair down. personally I wouldnt want to delete that...– Distantlycharmed 07:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Since I intended to replace all the locations the old image was used with the new one, and they are similar, I just uploaded it over the old file instead of create a new file and then put the old one up for deletion, since it would then be unused. With this file, since I didn't intend to replace the old one completely, I used a different name, but Alan disagreed about needing two files. Generally, if it's from the same scene there isn't a reason to have a different file. As for the ratios, you shouldn't be changing them at all, just cropping out sections of unaltered screen captures. - Archduk3 08:05, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Captain Canuck's broken talk link

Thanks a lot! Its a problem if you can't keep track of your username and your nickname. Captain Canucktalk 03:54, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

No worries, I've been known to use "Archduke" by accident occasionally. You may also want to switch your signature setting to the autosig, since currently you have all the formatting showing. - Archduk3 03:59, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
Fix'd Captain Canucktalk 04:08, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

MA's server(s) are slow, yet your edits are quick

I am amazed at how you were able to make those quick link edits despite Memory α's server lag and error pages (at least on my end at least, I can assure you however that its not a problem on my last kilometre). I was going to make those exact edits. Also, I'm laughing at how Anonymous screwed your Talk Page by dumping SVG MarkUp Captain Canucktalk 04:34, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia has been having server issues on the back end for awhile now, so rest assured it's not on you or me. - Archduk3 04:49, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Paris image

The image of Tom Paris you chose from VOY: "Natural Law" was the exact same one I planned on uploading yesterday! Pretty strange, huh? --Delta2373 08:31, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Definitely a bit on the weird side. Then again, that is pretty much the best image of him from season 7. - Archduk3 08:37, August 23, 2010 (UTC)


I would like to ask your assistance- can you look at some of the edits of this anon and confirm they are legit? They seem to be adding/changing stardates and I want to make sure this isn't some surreptitious vandalism effort(recently we had someone change one digit within various years on several pages). I asked the user to post an explanation in the edit summary, but had no response(even after blocking them in an attempt to contact them). Thanks--31dot 01:00, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Generally it seems the second stardate added is from a second log entry, though on some of them I'm not entirely sure where the second stardate is coming from since there either isn't a second log entry or there wasn't a second stardate given. That said, this user seems to have a history of good faith edits, albeit minor ones, so I don't think this is outright vandalism, though I don't see why someone wouldn't respond to being blocked. I'll go over some of the scripts to see if the second stardate comes from something that was said outside of the logs. My question would be why do we need a second stardate in the sidebar if it's only a minor increase? - Archduk3 02:00, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I would say no- it would be like listing consecutive days in place of the year, or even consecutive hours.
I was thinking something like what you said- not sure where the new dates are coming from. I reverted one change this person made to "Contagion", where they added the stardate from the Yamato log playback, as the episode didn't take place then. I had thought the purpose of having the stardate in the sidebar was to establish when the episode takes place, not to list every stardate given. Some episode pages have a seperate section in the article to do that.--31dot 02:13, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

We could just revert them all and explain that only the first stardate given should be in the sidebar, since as it stands now the date span on "The Wounded" only covers about half the episode, which is misleading at least. My only problem is that this user has had edits reverted in the past, for POV, and no one mentioned anything about our POV policy on their talk page, so if we do just remove the second date, we need to say something abut it. - Archduk3 02:29, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

I've posted a message on their talk page and invited them to respond- we'll see. I can help remove some of the extra stardates but it looks like you've got most of them. :) --31dot 10:06, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, good work, Archduk3. But I would have appreciated it if you had marked these minor edits as exactly that - "minor" edits. Now the recent changes page is littered with them! --Defiant 11:46, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
Crap, I thought I did. In my defense, I was editing before I've had my coffee. - Archduk3 12:03, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
Haha! :) --Defiant 13:36, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Necessary IPs

Ha, that'll teach me for jumping in to soon. ^^ – Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 01:43, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

It was a good call nonetheless. I am easily distracted.... - Archduk3 03:52, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Taglines and punctuation

Hey, I am wondering if it isnt odd to add a period at the end of a tagline in episode summaries, because that is what those lines are: memorable phrases that sum up the premise of the episode. So, they shouldnt have a period, right? – Distantlycharmed 18:10, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

They aren't memorable phrases per se, more like one sentence synopsis. In that regard, they are just a sentence that should end with punctuation. - Archduk3 18:15, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

They are stand-alone taglines or one-liners summarizing the episode. They stand before the Summary section of the page to sort of give the reader a quick idea of what it is about, nothing elaborate. I doubt that a period is appropriate there. – Distantlycharmed 18:20, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

What does the Manual of Style say? We have punctuation on every other sentence on the site, disregarding quote attributions, which generally aren't sentences anyway, so I don't really see a reason to not have one. - Archduk3 18:28, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Talk Page Formatting

Anyone you could have that done by a bot? It seems to be a fairly simple edit, and getting it done by the bot flag would really help with clogging up "recent changes." --OuroborosCobra talk 18:53, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I tend to agree, but I also wanted to make sure it was actually working, as there have been a few fixes required so far, and on some pages I was doing other formatting edits at the same, not to mention the page that was missed last time. If someone with a bot wants to do the rest of the episodes, I'm find with that, since I would like to think I didn't leave any other extra characters on the switch pages. I'm attempting to construct a bot to handle this on a regular basis, but I've always been better on the hardware end of things, so that might take awhile. - Archduk3 19:05, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
I think that SulfBot could handle it fairly easily -- it'll just have to wait until later tonight due to some "real world" commitments. -- sulfur 19:14, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
Fine by me. If anything comes up as error, I'm blaming Rom. :) - Archduk3 19:22, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
I did a test edit, and it seems to have done the right thing, so I'll set it going later this evening to convert the rest of the articles. -- sulfur 19:26, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
And they're all done, I think. -- sulfur 12:31, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
Sweet. I also noticed my idiot brother Rom made some entirely foolish mistakes in the switches that I am simply incapable of doing. What a jerk that guy is. ;) - Archduk3 12:36, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

Grodénchik in Far Beyond the Stars?

Hey, Archduk3. I thought maybe you could help me out. While watching "Far Beyond the Stars", I've noticed that one of the ambulance paramedics that carry away Benny at the end of the episode bears some similarity to Max Grodénchik, but I'm not sure. Could you check if it's him? Thanks. QuiGonJinnTalk 12:22, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it, but you may want to refer this to ThomasHL, since this is his area of expertise and his resources for these things far outstrip mine. - Archduk3 12:31, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

E Question

I see that you just changed an edit of mine back. May I ask why? – X52495nos4a2 15:57, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Here's the list of canon space ships:
Other ships in the books that had the name Enterprise, like the Defiant-class USS Monitor, are non-canon, and therefor don't count either. Also new comments should be at the bottom of the page. - Archduk3 16:09, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Admin question

Archduk3 when I joined this site I really had no idea there could be more then one "Wiki" now I realize there's one for just about any TV show and whatever else you can think of. Now I need some advice in helping to create a wiki for a forum I visit. Nothing too big, it's located at and we're just getting off the ground. Could you show me how to relocate things people have put on my User Page instead to my Talk Page? I'm working with people who really have no idea how to navigate around a user article. Any help in moderation or tips and advice you've come across over the years would be greatly welcomed. PrfctDrk 06:45, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you need to move something and you're not to worried about the page history, a simple cut and paste will work. If you need the page history to move as well, you would need to merge them, which requires an admin since there will be a page deletion. To do that, copy and paste the text from the page you will be merging to, the page you will have the combined page at, to the page being merged, the old page going to be combined. Then, move that page over the destination page, it will ask if you want to delete it, click yes. After that, go into the combined page history and restore the original page history, you won't need to check any of the boxes if you want to restore the entire history, just click the restore button. I recommend testing this out before actually doing it, since it is very hard, if not impossible, to undo. See the help page, Help:Merge, for where I learned to do it. I also recommend reading all the help pages here, as they are very good at, well, helping. If you need help with anything else, just ask.- Archduk3 11:38, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Is there any help page here suggesting how to copy the box style of profile information, such as the red box on your user page with Data and his shirt lol. I tried to do something like that on another wiki but the widget (right name?) I guess doesn't exist or is memory alpha specific. I really don't want to be stealing ideas off of this site but it's a neat and tidy approach to personal taste/information to the reader lol. Either I missed it or I'm blind and it's blatantly obvious where it is to make them, haha. PrfctDrk 07:31, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

The look of the sidebars and tables are controlled from MediaWiki:Common.css, you can just copy, then modify, that entire file into your wikis Common.css file, just change the text at the top to say it comes from Memory Alpha per our copyright. I would actually move it to your personal Monaco.css file (like the one I have linked on my user page) and make the changes there, then make it the site wide standard, as I'm sure all the colors would need to be tweaked, and don't use our bar gradient! The sidebars in use though out the rest of the site, more or less, are all templates. There are several links on my user page to them, so you can take a look around, just don't save anything least something break. :) - Archduk3 14:02, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Damn! I love that bar gradient haha. Naw it's cool. I'm sure a budding site like ours will find our own niches and in time be a great resource to our members and visitors as much as yours is to your respective visitors. I'm still trying to take in all this information and the help pages you linked, I really appreciate it ^.^ PrfctDrk 05:47, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

my edit

That may be but how many of the ones that survived actually had names in the series. camorite 14:00 9-7-10

According to USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) personnel, quite a few. - Archduk3 18:01, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

The City on the Edge of Forever stardate

I updated the stardate on "The City on the Edge of Forever" episode. The stardate was based on what we saw printed on the beta video tape cover sleeve that my Mother-in-law had in her old beta tape collection. I can probably snap a pic and send it to you if you'd like to see it. It's her favorite TOS episode.

- Frank

That would make it non-canon, but something that should be in the background section of the episode article. - Archduk3 16:51, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Page moves

When you move articles, can you please ensure that you fix all redirects pointing to it too? This is in light of your page move of "Quark's". -- sulfur 10:34, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Damn, I thought I did. Must have just thought about doing it and then got distracted by someone jingling their keys. My bad. - Archduk3 15:49, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


Wow, talk about an oversight. Thanks for cleaning up after me. :) — Morder (talk) 07:18, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

It's cool, you've cleaned up after me enough, just returning the favor. :) - Archduk3 16:04, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


Hey. No, you have seen all episodes (I think). Just saw that IMDb is wrong in the listing, that's why I wrote the third episode. [2] Thanks for the correction. ;) – Tom 18:49, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

I had missed the episode when it aired so I had just finished watching it on hulu when I saw you had added the info. They must currently be listed in production order on imdb, or there was a last minute switch. - Archduk3 19:13, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
The Psychic episode was always (apparently) intended to be the second airing episode of season 3, despite being the third produced. FYI. -- sulfur 19:54, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Category removals

It sounds like you are using the JS category select option. I would suggest going to your preferences and putting a checkmark beside "Disable Category Select". -- sulfur 10:10, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Much better, thanks. You would think I would have got the hint since you said the same thing to Defiant. :) - Archduk3 10:16, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Are you guys talking about adding categories to image uploads? I dont know if it is all the work wikia is doing but I cannot access the "add category" part when uploading a picture, hence I cant add categories (like images humans etc). Am I the only one? – Distantlycharmed 04:24, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
The javascript isn't working right now, it's being looked into. If you click the preferences link above, you can turn off the "Category Select" option, but that means you would have to add them manually, like so: [[Category:Memory Alpha images (<whatever>)]]. - Archduk3 04:45, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
Great thanks. – Distantlycharmed 04:54, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

skin changes...

hey, why do you admins do stuff like upload the background color of MA or the logo etc? I know there is some skin changes going on by wikia and i am really not sure what it means (is MA going to look significantly different now?) but I am noticing people getting nervous and talking about moving MA and I wonder what that's about. – Distantlycharmed 04:22, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

To customize the look, and yes, MA will look much different very soon. There are going to be a lot of changes, and some of them are questionably legal IMO with our copyright policy, which is not the same as the majority of the rest of wikia. Wikia went so far as to change the terms of use over these issues, so we can't just fix them without being banned. I suggest you check out the staff blogs and forums at community central for more info. - Archduk3 04:40, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

How different? No black background? I did check out some of the discussion but to be honest, I am not a computer person so I have absolutely no idea what people are talking about when they start talking the technical stuff. I am not as much concerned about legal issues, as about how this will look. How is it gonna look? Sorry for bombarding you with all these questions ;) – Distantlycharmed 04:45, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

It not easy to explain, I suggest you go to memory beta and see if you can change to the new skin in the preferences, since the javascript is working there, and try it out. - Archduk3 04:50, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I dont do memory beta and i dont see any preferences options. Asking me to log in etc. We'll see. As long as MA doesnt have thus ugly, sterile, clinical white shitty background....thanks for your help. – Distantlycharmed 04:56, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

The colours will stay pretty close to the same as they are now. Just like the last time we went through a major change like this. -- sulfur 10:13, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Undoing of Warp Factor Edit

Please could you tell me why you undid my edit? Also as I am very busy with other wiki's please can you reply on my talk page so it tells me i have a message? Thank you Admiralalexmann 20:13, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

rm "justify"

Could you please create a list of those "stretched lines" somewhere, so that it can be worked on? Thanks. -- Cid Highwind 10:32, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sure, but many of the worst cases are on things like the file pages and viewing differences between edits in the history. I can start a list of articles that had poor spacing, as in a noticeable difference between lines, or stretched links, but I have to ask why the text was justified in the first place, since at least monaco wasn't? I can't see monobook, since the content space won't load for me for some reason, so I don't know if monobook is, but I don't remember it being justified either. - Archduk3 10:44, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Found out it's been a Preferences option that no longer works. I believe we had "justify" as our standard formatting at least for a while - probably, I missed the change away from it because I had the option set in my personal preferences on top of that. In any case, I still think that justified text works better for a number of reasons, which I started another discussion about at MediaWiki talk:Wikia.css. -- Cid Highwind 11:44, October 10, 2010 (UTC)


  • James T. Kirk - The 2266 section has the worst spacing on the page, with a single space stretched to at least 4-6 times the normal spacing. Of course, there are plenty of lines where the spacing in close to 3 times the normal spacing, many with a unstretched line directly below.
Nearly every article of length has examples of lines stretched so the spacing is close to, if not, 3 times the norm.
  • File:Wiki.png - Long user names are stretched in the file history box. This will be true on all files.
  • The diff page for this section - The comment above the changes is very stretched, and this is a rather mild case. I've seen diff pages where the changes section is showing a single space close to 8 times the normal size, while the rest of the spaces on that line were only 3 times the normal size. I confirmed this by highlighting the space and checking the actual spacing on the page.
  • USS Enterprise NCC-1701 - The bg note on The Naked Time and Tomorrow is Yesterday scripts looks very stretched. The actual space in only about 3 times the norm, but it looks worse because of the italicized text.
  • Constitution class model - The opening section of the three foot section has some pretty poor spacing. Of course, this entire article needs to be re worked, since the fixed width is so small that three gallery images uses the entire space.

I can keep listing these if necessary, but I think it's clear that there are problems with having the text justified. These issues, for the most part, could be reduced by redoing the image placement on these articles, and some of our articles need to be reformatted to work with the new limited spacing anyways, see Photons Be Free, but there's no way to force editors to not "create" more examples by placing images in "poor" locations.


Hey me, it's me again, posting here so a notification will show up. - Archduke 21:30, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks me. - Archduk3 21:48, October 18, 2010 (UTC)


Hey I just want to say sorry for you ending up changing those Third Dynasty links to Klingon Third Dynasty. I was meaning to do that myself after making it a disambig page, but I had a browser crash right after submitting that article and by the time I had it up and running again it had slipped my mind... - Capricorn 18:24, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

It happens. No worries, I got it before sulfur did, and that's who you need to worry about. ;) - Archduk3 19:48, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia/MA-specific CSS question/resources

Hi, Archduk3!

Thanks to help from you and Cid, I've been able to customize my wikiaphone.css (don't look at it now: it is a mess!) for my mobile browsing. I've finally gotten things more legible, plus I'm slowly learning CSS markup (still a neophyte), and I've been very excited to be able to adjust most of my relevant parameters. (I have been able to do this by trial-and-error, adjusting certain obvious portions of MA's Monaco CSS.)

Here's my problem: I've scoured the MediaWiki and (pretty limited) Wikia guides to CSS. They mainly refer to the official CSS standards document/manual, which is a great general resource – but they do not help me gain any understanding of the elements used here at Wikia/MA. Thus, there are still some properties I'd like to adjust but am lost about where I can find CSS resources specific to MA/Wikia.

As an example, I cannot figure out what the a.extiw element is. As another example, I do understand (obviously) what the a.external element is.

I'd really like to know where I can find any documentation/manual/guide about CSS and Wikia/MA. Perhaps it's available, but I just can't locate it. And I know I cannot be asking you or anyone else to be my personal guide to explain such things for me! (eg, what some of these elements are, and how to, eg, find out how to customize the color of visited external links only or change the background or text color for picture captions)

If you can point me in the right direction, I'd really, really appreciate it. But perhaps I'm asking too much of you and should ask someone else. Please advise.

Thank you very much for your consideration (even if your answer is "no")!

Best regards,

--Cepstrum 15:41, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

PS I had just posted this question on Cid's page right before I noticed you kindly posted a CSS tip on my page, evidently of your own volition. I had always gone to him first for all questions, but perhaps you'd be more willing/able to help me. I hope you don't mind and I'm not breaking etiquette/MA policy by doing so!

There's no etiquette about who you ask for help, so long as your nice about it, that I'm aware of, so I'm sure your fine there. What Cid already said about the code in question is correct, and I also don't know of any documentation about CSS specific to wikia, though I have mentioned to them several times that there should be one somewhere. I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening though. Since I generally do all my CSS work using the Firebug add-on of Firefox, I generally don't have any idea what is what without being able to see what it does, with the exception of some of the more logically named bits, which is why overall I'm pretty useless for what you need without some sort of emulator/simulator that would let me see what you see on your mobile device. - Archduk3 18:44, October 22, 2010 (UTC)


Hey thanks. I appreciate your swift response. Obviously I don't have access to tools such as Firebug. I'll have to ponder my options. I wonder if I could throw out some either specific or general questions in the forums. I just don't which one or if it's even appropriate (because it doesn't technically have anything to do with building the general encyclopedic content of MA)!

Best regards, --Cepstrum (talk) 13:48, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

dont remove posts

Dont just remove posts on your talk page and then make them disappear. I moved the whole thing to the article talk page since I didnt see you do it. I must say though, I was willing to drop the matter of mentioning that one line before you, and I say it again, abused your admin privileges by just reverting the edit to your preference and then blocking the article from being edited altogether indefinitely, instead of just taking it to the talk page or even responding to it on the talk page. Dang...– Distantlycharmed 07:04, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Have some patience, if I say I'm removing something to a talk page, I am. - Archduk3 07:13, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

American spelling

Hello, I saw your message abour american spelling, but precisely, the changes I made ("centre" from the episode The Begotten) were regarding a poem of Yeats written with British spelling. Why did you revert my edit? The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

The direct poem quote in the background was my bad, since that should use the British spelling since it was originally written that way, but Quark's line from the show is a reference, not a quote, since he didn't attribute it or use more than the one line. For all we know he could be referencing the poem via Stephen King's The Stand, which uses the American spelling, or any of the other media, current and future, that uses that line, which to say the least is numerous. - Archduk3 23:52, October 26, 2010 (UTC)


Moved to somewhere more appropriate...

ADL 40

That is from "The Maquis, Part I", where it was given as a security identification, not a serial number. I was just about to remove it, too. :) --31dot 22:47, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

That clears that up, thanks. :) - Archduk3 22:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

blocking 1312

Duke, since you did the block on 1312, could you explain as to why? What did he do specifically wrong to justify a block? I already posted this on his talk page was conveniently ignored so I am asking you here: Has he vandalized? Has he ruined articles? Has he called anyone names? Has he threatened anyone with anything? Has he used derogatory language toward someone? What did he do concretely to warrant a block? Looking at his comments none of it seems to fit those descriptions. Does he need to step back and take a breather, all fine, but why block him? MA policy states that "In general, bans should only be considered a last resort action, not as a punishment, but simply as a means of protecting the community from harmful edits." Have all options been explored with him and is the ban the last resort? – Distantlycharmed 23:29, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

I'll let Archduk speak for himself, but you were not "conveniently ignored". I have a life outside of here, as I am sure you do. I can't sit here all day.--31dot 01:36, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
No personal attacks includes insulting other users, and when nearly every single post becomes insulting, that comes into play. Also, 1312.4 has shown a complete disregard for etiquette in nearly every single talk page post s/he has ever made, and has been warned several times about it. I'm not going to play a who did what game here, and if you don't see those posts as insulting to the other users on the site, then there's nothing I can do about that. - Archduk3 01:52, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

I think you are completely out of line to block the man because you essentially dont like his tone and because he is saying things that are critical of your buddies here on MA. I asked what specific things he said and did in the personal attack and direct insult department - as those are justifications to block someone - and you still are not able to give me a concrete response. Stating that a user is generally offending you with their posts/tone is not reason to block them. He has not personally attacked anyone or threatened them or insulted them using derogatory language etc. Also note that the policy states that a block should be used to prevent further harmful edits to MA and not as a tool to punish someone. As to etiquette: I think you are picking on him as often debates on talk pages often get heated and sometimes ugly. You cant block someone for lacking etiquette unless what he does violates MA policy to the point where a block would be in the best interest of the community. Someone pointing out another person's mistake in a cynical tone is hardly a violation warranting a block. I do not want to mention names, but there are users here whose comments on other person's talk pages and/or article talk pages and edit summaries are offensive in tone - regularly and repeatedly - which clearly constitutes "insulting other users [in] every single post" and lacking politeness and etiquette - yet they never get rebuked much less blocked. Unless you can point out very specific reasons warranting a flat out block of a regular contributor (in which case i will gladly acquiesce),I am sorry to say that i think you have overstepped your admin powers. – Distantlycharmed 06:49, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

This soapbox "proletariat vs oligarchy" bull isn't going to get you anywhere, since there are more than enough examples of me alone arguing/debating/what-have-you with the likes of Cid, Morder, and the rest of my "buddies." I'm also not going to go over my answers again, since I gave you the specific answers you asked for. None of those policies are worded to have absolute examples, since the spirit of the policy is what's far more important, and if you don't see how those policies were being violated I don't think you could be convinced anyway. If you're having problems with "unnamed users" you are more than free to take it up with someone higher up than that user/s, but none of that has anything directly to do with this, and I've already told you I'm not going to get into a who did what game here. I will explain "the best interest of the community" part of blocking 3121.4 though, since I haven't directly addressed that yet. Since s/he has been blocked, constructive posts have been made to resolve the issue on the Sovereign class talk page, posts where consensus building instead of being right are the goal. I don't believe that would have happened without removing the user who's posts had been reduced to trolling, and the lack of constructive posts on that user's talk page more than proves it. Any user who is more interested in being right than building a consensus is harmful to the community, and poorly misinformed about what building a consensus is here. If you still think I've overstepped in this case, you are free to take it up with Cid, who is the least involved bureaucrat, or even sulfur if you want, but none of what you have said is going to get me to remove the block early, or change how I'll deal with 1312.4 if s/he keeps acting that way. - Archduk3 00:42, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

So basically a lot of blah blah blah on your side and no concrete answers. That was to be expected. I am sorry if being asked to substantiate your arguments and points when accusing someone is bothersome to you and a nuisance you just do not want to deal with, but generally, when you accuse someone of things, at least in this country, you have to be able to prove it and substantiate it - which clearly you are not able to do. Also, since 1312 did not engage in an edit war after the discussion started, there is no need for you to have blocked him. After the third trial you are still not able to give concrete responses. Anyway, I can see I am clearly out-gunned here as you are backing up your friends in essence and block 1312 for no concrete reasons really. If there were, you would have pointed it out undoubtedly. Going to sulfur would also constitute a conflict of interest on his part so that is not an option; how very convenient for you. Next time i wont be as non-pushy. And I must say I am rather disappointed at your level of incompetence here - I really thought you were a fair, thoughtful and competent admin who isnt power hungry, vindictive and biased. My mistake. – Distantlycharmed 01:42, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well, since nothing I can say is going to get passed your bias and expectations, as well as your misunderstanding of the policies in question it seems, let me just warn you that if your definition of being "pushy" is to act the same way 3121.4 has, you're liable to end up blocked as well. - Archduk3 02:40, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

As in I wont push the matter any further. – Distantlycharmed 04:56, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Signature question

Hello, Archduk3.

I've been excited to be back on MA: Wikia had "banned" me for a month by forcing me into a non-functional mobile site. They finally relented and let me choose monobook (though it's not as good as the former, light-weight, fully-functional mobile version.) And since then I've been going through my monobook CSS, heavily modifying it for better mobile viewing (and stumbling along learning CSS/HTML markup and JS-style scripting, which has been beneficial.)

My question is about your signature: why do you (and some others) have a user sub-page template, such as your User:Archduk3/Sig page? I see you sign your posts using the template {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} instead of the ~~~~ method. Why is that? Does it allow you to have multiple sig styles and then be able to select which one to use by inserting the one you want into the template instead of the one set in the preferences section? If so, I can see why that would be rather useful (ie, you're not "locked-in" to only using the one specified in your preferences.) And how does the time-stamp get inserted? Is there actually a site-wide template for this thing?

Or am I completely incorrect, and you're actually doing it for other reasons?

Cepstrum (talk) 14:05, December 21, 2010 (UTC) (~~~~)

You can use a template as your signature, the one set in the preferences menu, but the system will automatically add a "SUBST:" to it, which places the contents of the template page directly on the page instead of just the bracketed call. Having one template call another cheats the system, so my preferences signature is {{SUBST:User:Archduk3/Sig}} which places {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} on the page. The whole reasoning behind doing it that way is so I'm not dumping all the formatting for the colors and what not directly on a page every time I sign something. - Archduk3 20:17, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ahh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I see why you'd like to avoid cluttering pages with all that HTML – it probably makes things confusing for editors new to wiki markup (and unfamiliar with HTML). I'll try it on my sandbox page. You're still able to just type ~~~~ to sign, right? (Edit: answer is "yes".)

-- Cepstrum (talk) 14:46, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


Just wanted to say "many thanks" for the tip: I've done as you have. I foresee only one problem: a vandal could mess with my signature, though s/he would have to know where it is. You've protected your page, but I'm not asking mine be protected: in the unlikely event someone does mess with my signature, I'd see it right away, revert it, and then ask for an admin to help (eg, talk to the vandal, temporarily block him/her, or temporarily protect the page – whatever is called for).

Or is doing it the way you've shown me frowned upon if done by non admins? Should I stick to the regular way? It'd be nice to do it this new way, for then it's much easier to experiment with styles (using "Preview", of course!) and change it without the hassle of editing the "My Preferences" page. (Easier is always better for mobile users, such as I.)

Note: this section (or at least my text) is rather long. Perhaps I/you should move it to my talk page to spare yours.

Cepstrum (talk) 16:28, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

This sort of thing doesn't fly at wikipedia, for the reasons you have mentioned, but there's no rule here regarding this beyond that we don't allow images in signatures. If something does happen, the page can be protected to stop anons and new users, but until then protecting it would only make it a target IMO. The only thing you shouldn't do is change your signature often, as that puts a strain on the database to update all the locations your sig is. - Archduk3 22:32, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I just remembered you can cheat the system and place the actual signature at something that ends with .css, as the system will automatically block other users from editing css pages. Of course, both pages would have to be at a .css location to be completely secure, but I doubt anyone would target a signature page unless you gave then a reason to, and the only reason mine is locked is that an admin tends to do that more the an average user would. - Archduk3 22:54, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I see. I probably won't put it at a .css page, for I don't think anyone would target me (I'm not prolific enough for vandals to care about: most of the problems involving me are my own fault! – though I've tried to mend my ways.)

I don't understand about the database strain thing: changing my signature hasn't affected my past signatures. Or do you mean that hence, anytime I change my sig while using the template, it will change all those cases? I'd hate to be responsible for that! But isn't there a way to use templates "statically"? ie, placing the template would just substitute whatever is on the template page at the time it's used? Maybe that doesn't work with sigs. If it does mean I'd end up redoing each page my sig appears on if I change it, then it'd be in MA's interests if I just manually changed it in my preferences, though I don't expect to change it often (but even just one change would be an immense strain!)

Please advise. Thanks!

Cepstrum (talk) 14:54, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Note: I must be doing something wrong, for even though I'm using the template to adjust my sig, I just noticed it's still dumping the huge dose of HTML here.

Cepstrum (talk) 14:58, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. But how can I make the template static so it doesn't update every place my signature is if I ever alter it?

Cepstrum (talk) 15:18, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Really sorry to clutter your talk page, but this should be my final post in this topic. I've tried to use the substitution method on the template and found it doesn't work (it ends up dumping the HTML on the page). So I will ask you (or perhaps Cid or sulfur, or someone else you think I should ask) this: is it better to use the template method to avoid dumping the HTML garbage on a page or risk straining the DB in case a vandal comes and edits my signature? (I have no plans for ever changing it; and if I ever did, I'd cease using the template method just to avoid the DB strain).

Cepstrum (talk) 15:47, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

It's always best to not be dumping a bunch of html on a page, and as long as you're not always changing your sig, there shouldn't be a problem with you using a template. One change, and a reversion, isn't going to break anything anymore than changing any high use template, so that shouldn't stop you from using one. - Archduk3 22:14, December 23, 2010 (UTC)


Thank you for this and your many other helpful responses. (And don't worry: I haven't any plans/reasons to change my signature, unless I'm told it's in bad taste. It sure is nice to just type "~~~~" and get a "—" + sig without the enormous amount of HTML that would otherwise appear each time.)

I appreciate the work you admins do. Too bad there's no way to "rate" or give some sort of accolades to an admin who helped someone as you have me: clear explanations, tolerance of my ignorance and lack of concision, etc. If there were, I'd certainly give one to you!

I consider this conversation finished. If you want to archive it or have me/you remove it to my talk page to avoid cluttering yours, feel free to do so.

Cepstrum (talk) 16:56, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE: File:TerranEmpire1.jpg

The image you deleted was not intended for personal use. It was meant to illustrate the Mirror universe article, as a variant Terran Empire logo combining elements of both the 22nd and 23rd century symbols. The image as posted was covered by CC-BY-SA and would therefore have avoided copyright issues without resorting to "fair use" justifications.

In addition, I should also point out that this image is not specifically cannon (it also combines elements from different centuries) and yet is prominently featured in the Terran Empire article. Midnight68 05:46, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

As a personal creation on a canon only wiki, the classification of personal image would seem to apply. Regardless, the image was non canon and would have been deleted either way. As for the 23 century dagger emblem, it's a recreation of the emblem seen in "Mirror, Mirror", and not a purely fan created image. - Archduk3 05:55, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

As for the 23 century dagger emblem, it's a recreation of the emblem seen in "Mirror, Mirror"

It's highly inaccurate, employing the wrong color scheme and lacking the central dividing line present in the original. On that basis alone, it should have been tagged for deletion and replaced with a suitable screen capture. Evidently, Memory Alpha has its fair share of double standards, too.

Don't bother replying; if this is the way you treat new contributors, I want nothing to do with this site. Feel free to delete my account, as I certainly won't be coming back. Midnight68 06:51, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

KTHXBYE! - Archduk3 06:59, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
Just want to comment that deletion was clearly warranted, as the image was a fan invention of something that never appeared in canon(along with a motto that I'm fairly sure didn't either) Not coming back would be an overreaction, as you only need to read our policies or ask us why it is that way, but do what you wish. Accounts cannot be "deleted".--31dot 09:58, December 26, 2010 (UTC)


If things that happen in one episode are not relevant, then what is the purpose of having an episode?

Lorian was a vital component of the relationships between T'Pol, Tucker and her Enterprise crewmates.

I do not believe you are serving the community by selecting to remove this addition. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ali.b (talk • contribs).

The sidebar is there to present a concise breakdown of information for a character in the "main" timelines only, since adding all the info from one off episodes would make the sidebar generally unusable in that regard. The sidebar doesn't replace the article. - Archduk3 03:20, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

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