Talk: Vulcan High Command

Questions

Where on Earth does the idea that the VHC was reinstated come from? Or the idea that Sarek, et al. worked for it? I remember nothing of the sort from the cited episodes. --Steve 20:55, 5 Dec 2004 (CET)

Referring to "Infinite Regress" (one of the cited episodes) one of the Vulcans assimilated by the Borg, whose identity Seven assumed, was identified as "Subaltern Lorot, Vulcan High Command". This, of course, is unless someone can prove that the Borg assimilated Vulcans prior to 2154. Also, there must be some sort of "High Command" on Vulcan during the 24th century to explain why there is a "Minister of Anything", much less a "Minister of Security" or an intelligence agency known as the V'Shar. Certainly they have to report to someone, as the V'Shar seems to be an internal organization rather than an actual part of Starfleet Intelligence. -- Gvsualan 21:17, 5 Dec 2004 (CET)

Hmm... The impression I got from ENT's story arc (especially what Arev said in Part I) was that the VHC was created to oversee the exploration of space, but gradually expanded its influence over society. At the end of the arc, the VHC is dissolved, presumably releasing control of Vulcan society back to a more democratic and civilian government that had been pushed aside by the VHC, which took the job of administering of the Diplomatic Corps, V'Shar, &c. --Steve 22:12, 5 Dec 2004 (CET)

The difference here is as cut and dried as the United Nations of the 20th century and the New United Nations of the 21st century... The main issue of the ENT arc is that V'Las' government fell, not that there would never be another Vulcan government or Vulcan military/exploration oversight again.-- Captain Mike K. Bartel

The new VHC could be just the space service again, instead of a complete government. Although, OTOH, 'subaltern' is a military term. Perhaps it's better to claim that Lorot was assimilated a long long time ago? -- Harry 14:39, 29 Dec 2004 (CET)

Regardless, Vulcan has to have some sort of government during the 24th century -- saying Lorot was assimilated a long long time ago sounds too much like assuming to me. --Gvsualan 18:59, 29 Dec 2004 (CET)

Needs attention, but not a stub.

While there's probably more information to be added about the VHC, this doesn't seem like a stub to me, so I changed the message to "incomplete". Hope that was the right thing to do. -- Josiah Rowe 07:42, 7 Feb 2005 (CET)

Actually, upon further reflection I don't know if this even merits "incomplete" -- I can't think of any major points that need to be covered. Unless someone objects in the next few days, I'll remove the {{pna-incomplete}} notice. -- Josiah Rowe 01:24, 13 Feb 2005 (GMT)

Or I'll forget about it for a month until Defiant removes it. --Josiah Rowe 01:35, 9 Mar 2005 (GMT)

No more High Command

The Vulcan High Command was disbanded after the incident in the Vulcan Awakening trilogy. Some other agency/agencies was either created or split from this one when T'Pau gained prominence in Vulcan politics. There is no other mention of a "High Command" in any other Star Trek series, besides the Romulans.--Mike Nobody 00:27, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Er, I have no opinion on this subject, but just reading the top of this Talk page, I get a sense that there's a consenus to assume some sort of Vulcan High Command exists in the TNG+ era due to the references given above. Correct me if something's wrong though. - Intricated 03:55, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

You're right Intricated, as stated above, Subaltern Lorot specifically worked for the Vulcan High Command in VOY: "Infinite Regress". Also, I'm not sure if the Romulans ever referred to a "High Command," but I vaguely remember the Klingons speaking about their "High Command" (probably the Klingon High Council).--Tim Thomason 04:28, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

FYI--Yes, there is the "Romulan High Command" refered to in "The Defector" of TNG--and upper-cased as such by the writer.--Larry Nemecek

Star Trek

Shouldn't we have some info from Star Trek in here? Chekov mentions the "Vulcan High Command" during his comm broadcast and the writers consider Enterprise to be canon with the new film.- JustPhil 13:58, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

removed (or actually, reverted)

I've reverted the following addition:

Unknown to many at the time, the dissolution of V'Las' government ended years of Romulan influence in Vulcan politics. (ENT: "Kir'Shara")

Reasons: while it sure looks that way, it's speculatory. Even if V'Las represented a real blow to the Romulan cause, we just don't know how they reacted. They might have moved up other operatives, or even escalated their involvement. -- Capricorn 00:01, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the following speculations:

"A possible candidate for the role of successor to the High Command might be the Vulcan High Council mentioned in ENT: "These Are the Voyages...", which was apparently powerful enough to be responsible for the decision that Vulcan join the United Federation of Planets.

"If the former [i.e. that the High Command was reinstated], then Vulcan Space Central and the V'Shar might also operate under the authority of the High Command [....] This could also explain why the Borg designation for Vulcans (Species 3259) is a lower number than that of Humans (Species 5618).

"The V'Shar, a Vulcan security agency in existence as of the 24th century, might also have been a part of the High Command, if either organization still/already existed contemporaneously.

"Solkar might also have served under the High Command, as it was active during his life. Additionally, Lojal, Spock, Sarek, T'Pel, and V'Lar might have served under a reestablished High Command." --Defiant (talk) 15:54, June 24, 2017 (UTC)

Multiverse

How did you all miss the obvious? Discovery doesn't take place in the prime universe. We have got to change the infoboxes to reflect multiple timelines or give each one it's own page or section – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ethan J Brown (talk • contribs). 06:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Uh... how does it not? Everything they have presented to date clearly indicates that it takes place in the Prime universe. -- Sulfur (talk) 10:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Considering the Romulan's interstellar history, can we be certain that Ni'Var is Vulcan? They have never actually said which time line is which and they left just before the events of Star Trek Ethan J Brown (talk)

Because they've said repeatedly that this is NOT the alternate timeline/reality. -- Sulfur (talk) 22:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

And even if you want, for some reason, to ignore the clear and repeated statements by the showrunners and writers, the evidence on screen clearly shows that Discovery does not take place in the alternate timeline. On Discovery, Pike is in command of the Enterprise in 2257; in the 2009 film, the Enterprise is launched in 2258. And that’s before we see Yor, who we are explicitly told comes from "an alternate timeline caused by the incursion of a Romulan mining vessel."

Honestly, anyone still claiming Discovery is set in the Kelvin universe is either not paying attention or trolling. —Josiah Rowe (talk) 04:10, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I read a fan theory and don't remember exactly what they said. I like some of the plot lines like the tardigrade thing, but altering the physical look and canon in spite of the fact that Rick Berman told them so? I sure as hell hope corporatocracy is a thing of the past by them time I die so my heirs can't simply be fired. Ethan J Brown (talk)