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The Keeper Edit
I am dubious about this, the reference on The Keepers page, does not cite any sources. --Alan 19:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- I replaced this credit, citing Perrin's IMDb entry () as source. --Tombstone 00:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- Just so you know, IMDb is not a valid source for such information given that they frequently contain errors since, like TV.com, most information is provided by visitors to the site. --From Andoria with Love 04:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- ??? Have you ever tried editing an IMDb page? Anyway, Vic Perrin did the voice, it virtually qualifies as "common knowledge". Every Google search I've done universally points to him for this, with the lone exception of Memory Alpha. Allan Asherman's "Official Star Trek Compendium" says he did, too. What manner of source will it take to be satisfactory? And where's the citation of source for the rather dubious suggestion that they went to the trouble and expense of putting Malachi Throne's voice through some kind of elaborate (for 1967) filter? Which explanation is really more likely? No disrespect, but the resistance I'm getting on this is frankly confusing. --Tombstone 02:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
IMDB has also stated that Dustin Diamond and Betty White were in Star Trek, hence why the credibility of that site is questionable. It is a secondary source, just like this site is. --Alan del Beccio 03:38, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
- And just as a point of information, between 2/23/06 and 7/22/07 I've submitted 27 updates to IMDb. Of those submitted, all but 4 have been accepted, an 85% acceptance rate. In some cases it's taken many months for the updates to take effect, but eventually they did show up. -- Renegade54 04:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
- Nearly all of the corrections/additions I have submitted to IMDb have been accepted, as well, and I've been updating since 1999. As you can see, Bea Arthur – not Betty White (wrong Golden Girl, Alan ;)) – no longer has Trek in her credits. This is because I (and possibly a few others) submitted a correction, with proof that she was not the voice of Suspiria in "Cold Fire" (it was actually Majel Barrett). In fact, the only update of mine they seem to be ignoring is the addition of Star Trek to composer Michael Giacchino's credits. --From Andoria with Love 05:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
- Point taken. In regard to IMDb, I stand corrected. But as far as Vic Perrin's Menagerie credit is concerned, could you explain why Allan Asherman's "Star Trek Compendium" isn't a reliable source? And more importantly, what would be a reliable source? I really don't want to have to make audio clips of Balok and The Keeper and send it down to the local CSI team for analysis, ha ha ha ha.
- And no one has yet explained how it's more likely that the producers went to the expense and trouble of running Throne's voice through a filter (something I'm not even sure was possible in 1967, especially considering the process Ross Bagdasarian had to use to create Alvin and the Chipmunks only 10 years earlier), instead of using the well known and recently used (The Corbomite Maneuver) voiceover talent of Vic Perrin to re-record the dialogue. If you really think about it, which is the more plausible explanation? --Tombstone 23:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
- If the Compendium says that it was Perrin who voiced the character, that I would re-add the episode and cite that book as the source. I don't see why that can't be used as a source. GNDN stated at Talk:Unnamed Talosians that "it has become clear that Malachi Throne's original voice work was simply altered but not replaced," but that appears to be his own personal belief. Since the only known credible source we have states the Perrin did voice the character, I would say go with that. --From Andoria with Love 06:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, so help me out here. What are the rules/formatting procedures for "source citing"? Where's the source placed? Do I put a little asterisk at the end of the credit and put the source at the bottom of the page, or how do I do this? --Tombstone 03:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
- Typically, you'd cite it just like you would an episode, i.e. in parentheses at the end of your entry. (The Star Trek Compendium) -- Renegade54 14:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Corbomite Maneuver Edit
- No. Balok's puppet (the "fake Balok") was voiced by Ted Cassidy. The real Balok was played by Clint Howard but voiced by Vic Perrin. As for your link, it just says it's a restricted page. --From Andoria with Love 01:58, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
- Try changing the link to "google.com" if you're in the US. -- sulfur 02:22, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, that works. In that case, maybe we should change the credit, unless there's something else which contradicts it? --From Andoria with Love 03:24, November 23, 2009 (UTC)