Does replicated meat actually count as meat seeing as though it never actually came from an animal? In "Lonely Among Us" Riker comments that the federation no longer enslaves animals for food. I got the impression that he meant that they no longer actually take meat from animals and cook it and they only eat replicated meat. Would that make someone a vegetarian? Jdvelasc 19:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe if all the food they were eating was resequenced vegetables, and not resequenced proteins. --Alan del Beccio 02:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- Further to the above point regarding Riker's comments in "Lonely Among Us", I agree that this strongly implies that the federation, or at least humans, is vegetarian. Surely this warrants inclusion in the Vegetarian entry. In response to the point about vegetables vs. proteins, unless the products of animals are at all involved in the replication process, we should be forced to call the federation (or merely humans) vegetarian. Unless someone can provide compelling evidence to the contrary... Amrubie 20:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- From an ethical standpoint, that, considering the Vulcans' history and philosophy, applies here, replicated meat, no matter how similar to meat from animals, would be alright. It makes sense though for Vulcans to even reject replicated meat because of meat's characteristical taste that they are not used to.
- Riker's comment, taken literally, would mean 'no enslavement', so fishing could still be practiced. It would not take the sea animals' freedom, so until they are caught and killed, they would live a (potentially) happy life.
- Even if the whole of the federation ate only things from the replicator, it would not be a vegetarian diet. Vegetarian means no eating of meat. Replicated meat is still meat. This means that with replicator technology you no longer have to be a vegetarian to fulfill the ethical aspect of vegetarianism. The same applies to vegans. For nutritional reasons, though, in every case you would still reject meat or animal products, even from a replicator. A 'nutritional vegetarian' could decide to still eat fish because of the valuable nutrients in it and the major differences to land-based meat, although fish nutrients can also be replaced by a 'true' vegetarian diet, so this would probably be a bit inconsistent.
- By the way... Currently there are experiments with the aim to create meat in vitro.--184.108.40.206 14:34, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
Vegan Vulcans? Edit
I seem to remember on the Enterprise episode Carpenter Street, that when they're at the drive-through food place, T'Pol asks if the food contains animal products or something like that... that implied to me that Vulcans are actually vegan, rather than vegetarian. Can anyone shed some light on the matter? It's been a while since I saw the episode, so I could be mistaken.
I'm sure I've heard some other vegan-like references, because I always thought that most Vulcans were vegan.
I think that most humans probably aren't vegetarian or vegan however, because Harry Kim drinks a nectar that contains meat in Workforce (Part 1), and doesn't seem morally shocked. Most do eat replicated meat, but in Benjamin Sisko's father's restaurant, doesn't he serve only fresh grown food and seafood? 220.127.116.11 23:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Nemoy who plays Spock is a vegetarian.
Yes t'pol is a vegetarian in the first season the cook is confused how to cook her food, offering several pieces of celery.
I think what we can assume happened is the Federation adopted the ethical diet of the Vulcans, implied by Rikers statement "the federation non longer enslaves animals for food". The implication is that the Federations standards of protecting life, extends to food animals. I meeting life forms through out the galaxy of various intelligences we can assume the change came some time between TOS and TNG.
Any sources on TOS, the crew eating meats?
Proteins come from both animal and vegetable sources, there is no need to use animal sources for protein, therefor I assume the replicates use plant based, or possibly fungus based materials. Not sure.
It's safe to assume T'pol eats a vegan diet, as its considered to be ethical. Obtaining milk involves "enslaving" cows.
- Afaik, it's merely speculative. The speculation is apparently based on the fact Tuvok orders a chilli burrito in "Future's End, Part II", without specifying vegetarian chilli. --Defiant (talk) 09:26, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
- Having noticed VOY: "Flashback" is cited for this claim in the article, I've looked up more info on that particular case, and it's apparently because he eats eggs in that episode. By some definitions (depends on culture and personal opinion), that would indeed class Tuvok as non-vegetarian. I personally think it just means he's not vegan, however. --Defiant (talk) 09:34, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
- As I've attempted to explain, there is no "right" in this sort of situation, as it depends on personal belief. I've rewritten the sentence, though. --Defiant (talk) 10:38, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, but you're wrong about that. I consulted Wikipedia before rewriting the Tuvok info in this article, but definitely found it quite ambigious, especially as the site explains, on a case by case basis, which vegetarian diets exclude eggs and which include them. So, that's certainly not a straightforward answer as to whether eggs are vegetarian or not. --Defiant (talk) 15:50, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
- Would have to fairly strongly agree with ME47 here. You've got to understand that any diet that excludes meat (all the way to veganism or even only ever eating potato chips) would technically be vegetarian no matter what else it forbids, simply by virtue of excluding meat. If wikipedia mentions diets that are vegetarian and don't include eggs, it merely means to say that one of the characteristics of that diet is that it's vegetarian, not that if someone identifies themselves as vegetarian you are to assume that they possibly don't eat eggs. And if the word vegetarian is in their name, that doesn't mean it's a style of "being a vegetarian", but typically is a compound term trying to indicate the diet is defined by excluding meat + excluding something else. Capricorn (talk) 11:47, August 16, 2016 (UTC)
- I fairly strongly disagree; if someone said they're vegetarian, it would be right to assume they might not eat eggs. To do otherwise would be to act overly judgmental (at least imo). --Defiant (talk) 12:26, August 16, 2016 (UTC)
- I double check what my vegetarian guests do or do not eat too. But that's more because people jump on food trends without always knowing what they are talking about than because vegetarianism can mean more then one thing. The definition of vegetarianism really is not controversial, people just tend to use the word when to fully explain what they don't eat they need another one. And so, the statement that some definitions of vegetarianism forbid eggs is still wrong. (rather, some diets that forbid eggs happen to be vegetarian in nature). -- Capricorn (talk) 13:32, August 16, 2016 (UTC)