is 1867 really 31911?
- moved from talk:USS Saratoga.
NCC-1867 and NCC-31911 are the same class with modifications... I wondered if it could in fact be same ship. Miranda have been in service for over a century, so it's obvious there have been several upgrades and modification to indivual ships. Maybe the Saratoga underwent a large refit sometims between 2286 and 2367, and was given a new registry code. A registry change could be used to denote modernized vs. original mirandas. A usefull prevaution if the refit completely change the ship's capacities. --Rami
- I was thinking something similar. Do we know that a change in registry is impossible and if so, from what source? Jaf 15:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)Jaf
- No ship has ever been shown to change registry, unless you count that the Sao Paulo 75633 was renamed Defiant and briefly (and admittedly erroneously) shown as 74205.
- USS Enterprise-A Enterprise spent 2 1/2 years in refit but a few months later, we have a new Enterprise. Why refit an old ship if you could build a new one in a fraction of the time? So it's reasonable to assume an existing ship became Enterprise-A. There's some debate as to what ship was renamed/renumbered but it's pretty much accepted that one was. --StarFire209 03:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
- There is also the case of the Yamato, that was first 1305-E, then later changed to 71807 some degree of time later that same year.
- Both are derived from errors, although in the Yamato's case there is a possibility the ship actually carried two registries (the "hero ship" registry with a letter suffix, and its regular five digit number seen later).
- Anyone else have any thoughts? I personally think the Saratogas might be separate because of their age, anyway -- since other Mirandae like Lantree were shown to maintain their old 23rd century style registries into the same time period. -- Captain M.K.B. 15:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
- Either choice has to be based on assumptions, I'm not sure how we go about getting to the bottom of this one. Jaf 13:21, 22 March 2006 (UTC)Jaf
- This might not be resolvable. There's not enough information. A ship could be renamed or renumbered or renamed AND renumbered or replaced entirely. You can go with the most likely (which I think is that it's another ship), but you don't know. There's not enough information available to get to the bottom. – StarFire209 03:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
3 pics?
Any particular reason why we need so many images of this ship, I understand two...but the third? --Alan
Sisko's model?
Its been suggested the Miranda model seen in Sisko's office is the Saratoga. Is this true? How many episodes was it in? -- DS9 Forever 17:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Ultimately destroyed by a warp core breach?
That was the assumption since the computer was warning of an imminent containment system failure. But as Sisko is looking out of the window of the escape pod, you can clearly see a cutting beam hitting the ship just before she is destroyed. So the containment failure may not have been the cause. 68.249.244.3 11:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
- If the ship exploded after being hit by the cutting, it's because the ship's containment system failed as a result of that beam. Remember, whenever you see a starship explode, it's because of a containment failure or containment breach. ;) --From Andoria with Love 13:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Measure of a Man
Is there any reason why the USS Saratoga NCC-31640, active in 2365 (Measure of a Man, of unknown class), is automatically assumed to be the same as the Miranda-class USS Saratoga NCC-31911 lost two years later at Wolf 359? Why not have them as two ships, as their registries indicate? Catiline63 (talk) 22:13, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
- There has been at least one example of the same ship being shown to have different registry numbers (the Prometheus class USS Prometheus) and given that it is possible for registry numbers to be changed, we can't assume that different numbers mean different ships. At least I think that's the reasoning. :) 31dot (talk) 22:18, January 5, 2013 (UTC)