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| + | Do we need this article? It's hard enough to write a coherent article about the Enterprise-J itself - this "class/type" has no name, was never ''really'' seen on-screen and only one ship belongs to this class. At most, this should be a redirect to the ship article itself, although I think that even this is unnecessary. -- [[User:Cid Highwind|Cid Highwind]] 22:05, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | What is this ship doing in the list of Federation Starships? In 'Enterprise' it's from the future, and therefore should be in in the 'list of future ships' section. --[[Special:Contributions/81.206.223.145|81.206.223.145]] |
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| + | :Aren't there oter articles about unknown starship types? I could have sworn there were... Anyway, if so, I think this has as much right to be an article as those do; if not, maybe we can have some background info on not knowing what type of ship the ENT-J was on the ship's article itself, and delete this article altogether. --[[User:Shran|From Andoria with Love]] 18:33, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | :Yes, but that is a list of future starship ''classes'', while [[federation starships]] is a list of '''all''' starships mentioned, regardless of timeframe. -- [[User:DarkHorizon|Michael Warren]] 18:25, 7 Jun 2004 (CEST) |
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| + | :: This is a legitimate article about a starship class, I see no problem with having it anymore than having [[Aeon type]] or [[Aurora type]] and several other "types" as a way to differentiate the ship from its' class. --[[User:Gvsualan|Alan del Beccio]] 11:19, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | ::i think it can be in both sections, if theres is a list of future ships too. there's no need to restrict data linkage, it effectivly prohibits us from [[Memory Alpha:Build the web|building the web]] to remove links because they are only partially relevant. --[[User:Captainmike|Captainmike]] 18:23, 7 Jun 2004 (CEST) [edited] [[User:Captainmike|Captainmike]] 18:30, 7 Jun 2004 (CEST) |
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| + | I'm not saying that this article is illegitimate or "has no right to exist". All I'm asking everyone to consider is if an article about an unknown starship class with unknown specifications, an unknown design (all we have is the Okudagram, the image probably needs to be deleted) and just ''one'' starship known to belong to the class really is useful. |
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| − | == Ithenites and Klingons? == |
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| − | A recent edit added: "''The crew of Enterprise-J included several Xindi, Ithenites and Klingons. (ENT: "Azati Prime")''" to the article. Are Ithenites and Klingons serving aboard ''Enterprise''-J? I thought they were just mentioned as Federation members; only the Xindi were directly stated to be on the J. --[[User:Steve Mollmann|Steve]] 00:11, 19 Jun 2004 (CEST) |
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| − | :You're right. By the way, did you notice the shadow of the Vor'Cha class Klingon battlecruiser appearing in front of the second large explosion? ;-) --[[User:BlueMars|BlueMars]] 00:22, Jun 19, 2004 (CEST) |
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| + | At the moment, this article is only linked to from the list of [[federation starship classes]] - that link might as well be a link to the ship article itself (or, this page a redirect to the ship article). This situation is similar to the one about "Stars vs. star systems", where we refrained from creating both pages for every reference, simply because it doesn't really make sense to do so if there's no real information to put on both pages. -- [[User:Cid Highwind|Cid Highwind]] 14:12, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | == Enterprise J == |
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| + | * (This isn't my reply, but there are also some valid (in my opinion) arguments at [[Talk:Aurora type]]. --[[User:Gvsualan|Alan del Beccio]] 18:43, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)) |
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| − | (moved from [[Memory Alpha:Reference Desk|Reference Desk]]) |
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| + | * I think it would make a lot of sense to just redirect this page over to the Enterprise J page. If we saw more than one of these ships than it would make sense to have a sepearte page for the type... but as it stands now it's just more confusing than anything. --[[User:Sloan47|Sloan47]] 17:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC) |
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| + | == Doors to DS9 == |
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| − | I am trying to find an image of the Enterprise J as shown on Enterprise. The Memory Apha listing has a box showing a place for the computer diagram but that is all. Is there any image references of this ship available? -- Richard Baker |
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| − | + | I was thinking maybe this should be added in the same spot where it says the corridoors look like the ones on DS9. Looking at the schematic, it looks like a DS9 console as well.--[[User:Cpt Kaziarl Nanaki|Cpt Kaziarl Nanaki]] 14:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC) |
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| − | There is now a very large color print available of the exterior of the Enterprise J. It is in the 'Ships of the Line' Calender for Feb 2004. The image is 12"x24" and I can scan it in sections and splice it in photoshop to send to Memory Alpha but I have no idea how to send it or what would be a maximum file size. The image is nice and I will be glad to send it if someone could just tell me where to upload in to. -- Richard Baker |
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| − | I have tried to view the referenced image of the Enterprise J and it will not display anything. The only thing I get is a grey box with a text line mentioning that it is a computer graphic display from the show. I could also not get the images from E2 and Twilight to display. This is my first entry into Memory Alpha and I cannot get anything to show except artfully arranged text with a background. I am using WinXP/IE6 with all current patches. What is the trick to get the embedded images to display anything more thtn a grey box with a description? |
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| − | -Richard Baker |
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| − | :Have you tried to click on it? The image should have a page with its own disclaimer and so forth, which also contains a direct link to the image file itself. otherwise, i'm stumped. The image has spread some, perhaps you can find a copy on a different server using http://www.google.com 's image search. -- [[User:Captainmike|Captain Mike K. Bartel]] 21:37, 16 Aug 2004 (CEST) |
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| − | ::Pictures of the Enterprise J are easily found on google images now.. I can post one, but is there any reason no one else has done so yet? [[User:Skold|Skold]] 06:56, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC) |
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| − | :::One as described above was just deleted, exactly because it was from the SotL calender, not from the episode itself. If there's an image of the ship, ''from the episode'' (which, I'm sure, doesn't exist), that could be uploaded... -- [[User:Cid Highwind|Cid Highwind]] 10:59, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC) |
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| − | ::As I recall there was a (partial?) MSD visible in one shot.. Better than nothing? [[User:Skold|Skold]] 12:10, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Yes, we should have that one on the page. But I think we already had that here in the past. I wonder if someone removed that while adding the now deleted image. Perhaps check the history of this article, it may still be available without re-upload. -- [[User:Cid Highwind|Cid Highwind]] 12:23, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::I found it and put it on the page. Apparently someone uploaded the SotL image over it at one time.--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 12:43, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC) |
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| − | == It looks flat == |
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| − | Can anyone explain why it's so flat? I don't think anybody can fit inside. {{unsigned|Joe0200000}} |
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| − | :That's an optical illusion, there actually appear to be several decks if you look at the windows and the size of the [[Navigational deflector]]. -[[User:AJHalliwell|AJHalliwell]] 05:05, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | :: Enterprise followers will recall an episode where they encountered, and brought aboard, a Timeship from far in the future, with a dead Pilot who, although fundamentally human, was of very mixed race, including apparently Xindi. |
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| − | :: That ship employed some kind of dimensional/spacial manipulation technology, so that it was immensely larger internally that it appeared from the outside. Perhaps this is the case with the NCC 1701-J? Perhaps both vessels are from a similar time period? Regards, [[Special:Contributions/82.41.74.178|Ian M.]] |
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| − | :::The episode where they found the future timeship was "[[Future Tense]]" -- where it was revealed to be from the [[31st century]]. |
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| − | :::The ''Enterprise''-J, however, was from the [[26th century]] -- several other ''Star Trek''s with technology from the [[27th century]] and [[29th century]] have indicated mankind might not have the fantastic abilities that the 31st century pod had. (good theory though, but the dates don't match up). -- [[User:Captainmike|Captain Mike K. Bartel]]<sup>[[User talk:Captainmike|talk]]</sup> |
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| − | ::::My view is that the pod's living space was just one mishmash of a holodeck and a replicator, while at the same time, the pod's mechanics (computers and stuff) were placed around its inner wall. Enterprise NX-01 crew at the time were just not familiar with holographic technology, so that is why they described it like that. But dimensional/spacial manipulation technology, which would actually manipulate dimensions and space outside the holographic field would really be something very advanced. --[[User:Mardus|Mardus]] 05:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::Except that the Enterprise crew had encountered technology similar to Holodecks and with the capabilities of "looking bug" when they met the [[Xyrillian]]s. Therefore had it been something that simple, the crew would have been able to recognize it. No, this was something that was ''actually'' larger on the inside, not simply appearing to be. Yes, it is something very advanced, which is completely believeable given that it was in use nearly a millenium from the time of Enterprise. --[[User:OuroborosCobra|OuroborosCobra]] <sup> [[User Talk:OuroborosCobra|<span style="color:#00FF00;">talk</span></sup>]] 05:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC) |
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| − | Why can't we use the Ships of the line image of the Enterprise J? Thats exactly what it looks like and all |
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| − | :Because using an image from a product that people are supposed to pay money for wouldn't exactly be "fair use" and could lead to problems for Memory Alpha. That's why we're trying to remove such images as soon as we become aware of them. -- [[User:Cid Highwind|Cid Highwind]] 10:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Yes, but as I recall images that are scaled down, in limited use, and if there are no available substitutes can be used under fair use. If what you have said is the "fair use" criteria Memory Alpha shouldn't have screen shots, or pictures of ships from games like "Starfleet Command III;" since you have to purchase the games to view the material. [[Special:Contributions/70.110.40.109|70.110.40.109]] 05:33, 20 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Screenshots are acceptable because they represent an incredibly small portion of the product, while the Ships of the Line is 1/12 of the product, a huge portion. --[[User:OuroborosCobra|OuroborosCobra]] <sup>[[User Talk:OuroborosCobra|<span style="color:#00FF00;">talk</span>]]</sup> 06:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | ::So "portions" are now involved? Then what is the official, written down, maximum level of "portioning" allowed by Memory Alpha's standards. If there is no written standard; then anything else is opinion only. Also the one-twelfth figure is inaccurate since the image hosted on Memory Alpha would not contain the entire image, and the image would certainly not be at 1:1 scale or even 1:10 scale. [[Special:Contributions/70.110.40.109|70.110.40.109]] 00:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | :::: In the Book version of "Ships of the line" (which i have) there is a rendered version of 1701-J, and it is one of about 75 pages. 1/75th seems a much more workable number. |
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| − | :::: PLEASE RESPOND i need to know wheather to upload the image or not– [[User:7th Tactical|7th Tactical]] 18:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::No. Please do not. It's been uploaded several times before. And deleted several times before. It ''may'' be acceptable to upload it to MB (you'd have to check there first), but not here. -- [[User:Sulfur|Sulfur]] 18:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC) |
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| − | :''Speculation holds that this is the eleventh [[Federation Starfleet]] vessel to carry the name. This does not include the [[Enterprise (NX-01)|NX-01 ''Enterprise'']], which was not a Federation vessel.'' |
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| − | Why does this even matter? Either explicitly state it, or don't. Seeing that the A, B, D, and E all explicitly state their place in the line, 2, 3, 5, 6-- therefore J would logically fall as the 11th. --[[User:Gvsualan|Alan]] 02:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 14:46, 5 January 2008
Do we need this article? It's hard enough to write a coherent article about the Enterprise-J itself - this "class/type" has no name, was never really seen on-screen and only one ship belongs to this class. At most, this should be a redirect to the ship article itself, although I think that even this is unnecessary. -- Cid Highwind 22:05, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- Aren't there oter articles about unknown starship types? I could have sworn there were... Anyway, if so, I think this has as much right to be an article as those do; if not, maybe we can have some background info on not knowing what type of ship the ENT-J was on the ship's article itself, and delete this article altogether. --From Andoria with Love 18:33, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- This is a legitimate article about a starship class, I see no problem with having it anymore than having Aeon type or Aurora type and several other "types" as a way to differentiate the ship from its' class. --Alan del Beccio 11:19, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
I'm not saying that this article is illegitimate or "has no right to exist". All I'm asking everyone to consider is if an article about an unknown starship class with unknown specifications, an unknown design (all we have is the Okudagram, the image probably needs to be deleted) and just one starship known to belong to the class really is useful.
At the moment, this article is only linked to from the list of federation starship classes - that link might as well be a link to the ship article itself (or, this page a redirect to the ship article). This situation is similar to the one about "Stars vs. star systems", where we refrained from creating both pages for every reference, simply because it doesn't really make sense to do so if there's no real information to put on both pages. -- Cid Highwind 14:12, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- (This isn't my reply, but there are also some valid (in my opinion) arguments at Talk:Aurora type. --Alan del Beccio 18:43, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC))
- I think it would make a lot of sense to just redirect this page over to the Enterprise J page. If we saw more than one of these ships than it would make sense to have a sepearte page for the type... but as it stands now it's just more confusing than anything. --Sloan47 17:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Doors to DS9
I was thinking maybe this should be added in the same spot where it says the corridoors look like the ones on DS9. Looking at the schematic, it looks like a DS9 console as well.--Cpt Kaziarl Nanaki 14:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)