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Cloak Edit

The article originally stated that the Defiant did not have a cloaking device, but has been changed (twice) to state that it is "unclear" if it had one or not. Unless there is some evidence that it did have one, I disagree with this- if it wasn't said to have one, then it doesn't have one. --31dot 22:54, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

Wrong, because that's speculative. If there's not enough evidence either way, there's not evidence either way! --Defiant 00:59, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

We can't prove a negative, so it is up to the affirmative side to prove that it did have one. What is the evidence that it did have one? This isn't an issue that can go "either way"- it either had one, or not.--31dot 01:02, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

True; Schroedinger's cat, it ain't! :) But we don't need to add real-world speculation of uncertain truthfulness. Instead, we can let the truth be known to readers by admitting that we don't know, either way, as the page currently reads. --Defiant 01:14, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

If that's the case, then I don't think we need a note at all- say nothing about it. It would be like saying "it is unclear if the Defiant has a shuttlebay" just because we didn't see it.--31dot 08:35, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

I agree on removing notes about cloaking device from canon and bg sections. cloaking device info is stated in the apocrypha section and that is all we know. a reader can make up his mind from those facts, me thinks. --Pseudohuman 08:55, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
Not having read the rest of the article (and having no time to), I'm inclined to agree with you. The only case I was making was the one I've stated! --Defiant 10:29, April 20, 2011 (UTC)