PNA?
This article looks like it's inaccurate....in the final episode of Voyager, there was no mention at all that the Transwarp Hub was under construction.......can someone confirm this?
Also, the way this article is worded makes it sound like the Transwarp Hub is partially a naturally-occuring phenomena and not completely, artificially built by the Borg.......is this accurate?
- I agree - I doubt that all of this was mentioned in Endgame, and can't think of any other valid resource for this at the moment. Seems like speculation. -- Cid Highwind 13:52, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- I just had to redo my edit because the anonymous user who wrote the innaccurate article in the first place seems convinced he's right and put it back. Obviously editing my version is fine, but his is WAAAY off. I'd recommend watching this page to mmake sure it stays fairly accurate. Logan 5 12:55, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, I take that back, looks like portions were just deleted, not a total reversion to innaccurate article...sorry.
- It still includes unfounded conjecture as to the effort the Borg put into building the place, for one. There are other issues as well. Major Pita 11:00, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, I take that back, looks like portions were just deleted, not a total reversion to innaccurate article...sorry.
- I just had to redo my edit because the anonymous user who wrote the innaccurate article in the first place seems convinced he's right and put it back. Obviously editing my version is fine, but his is WAAAY off. I'd recommend watching this page to mmake sure it stays fairly accurate. Logan 5 12:55, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I think I was the creator of that 'inaccurate' article. Apologies. I seem to have got it into my head that the hub was a natural occurence and only artificially supported by the Borg. Although, I only made the page once so my guess is that someone else did the reverting, not me. Anyway, sorry to Logan5 and all the rest of you, your page seems fine.
- I seem to recall another episode where the Borg were indeed using a natural singularity to power a warp conduit. However, it was not Endgame, it might even be a TNG episode. If anyone else has a similar recollection, specifically, clues as to which episode it is, please help thos old codger out Major Pita 05:52, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- That would be Descent and Descent, Part II. The phenomenon you are thinking of was called a transwarp conduit. --Alan del Beccio 07:10, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll check them out this afternoon Major Pita 11:03, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
This may still be worth a PNA
There are some sequence problems; In EndGame, Voyager didn't know about the hub until after Admiral Janeway got them to enter the nebula the second time, paragraph three is purely conjucture, it is certainly implied that the different hubs are not interdependent. The one hub that was destroyed did not collapse the entire transwarp network, only a large portion of it. While a crippling blow, it was far from fatal. Major Pita 22:50, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Far from fatal for the hub systems yes, but wasnt the Unicomplex (where the Queen resides) totally destroyed? That has to be fatal, no?
- As per discussion on Unicomplex There is no Unicomplex at the transwarp hub complex. All activity happens at the transwarp hub complex. Nothing happens at the Unicomplex. See Talk: Unicomplex Major Pita 18:53, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- What? Yeah, there's no Unicomplex at the hub but Admiral Janeway WENT to the Unicomplex and destroyed it from the inside! Please explain what you mean Pita.
- You should watch it again. She did NOT go to the Unicomplex. I just reviewed it again myself, just to check. There is nothing clearly stating or showing her go to the Unicomplex. Yes, it shows her going into an aperture, that was a ruse, possibly a hologram, while she stayed at the transwarp hub complex under cloak. Major Pita 18:54, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Pita, I dont know which Endgame you were watching but the Queen actually SAYS that they are in the Unicomplex when the Admiral goes to see her, and you see the shuttle parked outside it. So she DID go to the Unicomplex and destroyed it.
- I've checked the name 'unicomplex' and found the following.
- In Dark Frontier Seven is kidnapped by the Queen and brought back to, what looks like Borg HQ, and when forced to participate in an assimilation. The Queen then says the following "Our vessel is disengaging from the unicomplex".
- In Unimatrix Zero Axum says the following "Our target should be the primary Unicomplex.".
- In Endgame the Queen says to Janeway "Were you planning to attack us from the inside of the Unicomplex" (I don't have this episode nor Unimatrix Zero to check the visuals)
- It could be that 'unicomplex' is just a general term to describe were a Borg is at that point in time like a 'building complex' of some sort.(like a hotel, house, postoffice) The usage of a 'primary complex' might sugest this. -- Q 20:39, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- This is most interesting however, point 1 doesn't have much bearing on this discussion as we are talking about where Admiral Janeway went. There is consensus agreement that Seven went to the Unicomplex in Dark Frontier and I have no disagreement with that. Point 2 is extremely interesting, expecially in light of the single:multiple Unicomplex discussion in Talk: Unicomplex. You may have found the canonical reference for multiple Unicomplexes that I was looking for, thanks. However, it does not support Janeway being anywhere but the transwarp hub. Point 3 will have to wait until my morning (it's close to midnight here), when I can check it against the tape. If that is verified by the episode then I owe you a virtual beer :). However, it has cascading consequences on Endgame, which I will then have to correct. ;P Major Pita 21:42, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Rewrite
I rewrote the article with the information I could find about, transwarp in general, in the VOY,TNG and DS9 scripts. And removed {{pna-inaccurate}} -- Q 15:56, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Awesome dude! It looks great now! Major Pita 19:02, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)