On the Phoenix article, it says that the Titan V designation is from the Star Trek Fact Files. Where did they get it from: script, production notes, background graphic? If they just made it up, I guess this article should go, as it was just an (unidentified) old American missile then. Kennelly 17:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

A Titan II was used, and therefore it can be identified as such. I can find no legitimate "Titan V" references. --Alan 02:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Single-Stage to OrbitEdit

The Titan in First Contact appears to be a single-stage to orbit vehicle. All Titan IIs were two-stage. On top of this, the Phoenix seems to be a lot heavier than a Gemini capsule, so there is no way a Titan could reach orbit with it (and might not be able to lift off!!!). It produces a wonderful image, the warp ship bursting free after BECO, but it would not be possible with a real-life Titan. You would need a Saturn V, a Space Shuttle or an Ares V to get the Phoenix to orbit. Whatever it was that launched the Phoenix, it was an SSTO and a lot more powerful than a Titan II.--Indefatigable 23:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't necessarily a "to orbit" vehicle at all. Getting to space is easy. Rockets use much more power getting to orbital speed to avoid reentry than they do getting raw altitude (if you fall fast enough sideways, you don't fall down). The Phoenix only had to get far enough out to activate the warp drive and thus could operate on a fraction the fuel.-- 06:00, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

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