Enterprise 3rd officer?
Who is the third officer of the Enterprise? Worf? Dr. Crusher?
- I would actually guess it would be Geordi due to his higher rank, although since he is needed in engineering, Worf would likely fill that function. (There is an episode where Data, the second officer, assumes command of the USS Enterprise-D and has Worf serving as his first officer. I can't remember the episode's name, but this would seem to imply that Worf is the third officer.) --From Andoria with Love 06:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Found the episodes, they're "Gambit, Part I" and "Gambit, Part II". --From Andoria with Love 06:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- In "The Arsenal of Freedom", Geordi is put in command of the Enterprise. However, this was before he was Chief Engineer. It is possible he was the Third Officer until he became Chief Engineer, and was then replaced by Worf. AJHayson 03:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
It would also appear that Crusher takes his place once he is Chief Engineer, as she is the only other character I remember seeing command the Enterprise. Some also think she served in this capacity in First Contact when Riker is planet-side and Data is captured. – AJHayson 06:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I think during Season 1, Yar was third officer with the rank of full lieutenant and La Forge was lieutenant, junior grade. And Worf did become the fourth highest ranked bridge officer when Geordi became chief engineer. By the 24th Century, lower ranking bridge officers could take command over a higher ranking bridge officer before turning to the chief engineer or the chief medical officer.– Enterprise1981 20:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't recall Tasha Yar ever in command of the Enterprise-D before her death, only LaForge or Worf (the former in "Angel One" because Riker or Picard explicitly left him in charge. 74.69.8.195 19:46, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
Was anyone listed on the page (apart from Kor) ever explicitly named as third officer or are those just assumptions? Did we ever see Sulu, Paris or Reed take command? Kennelly 08:42, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think Paris was ever explicitly named third officer, but in "Unimatrix Zero" he did say that with Janeway and Tuvok away and Chakotay in command, that he (Paris) was now Chakotay's first officer. That would imply that he was the third officer. - Bridge 18:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes we did, Sulu took over when ever Kirk, Spock and Scotty weren't on the bridge, in Arena for example, that's why the four of them only go an away mission together once, and in that event it was because Sulu and Scotty were kidnapped, (Catspaw) --General MGD 109 23:30, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
I think Geordi was meant to be fifth-in-command of the Enterprise-D. In "Descent" Part I, he's sat at command point with Picard while Riker, Data and Worf are on the surface, as if he's acting first officer. Then Picard says "We need every available crewmember down on the surface, including you and me" and Geordi replies "Who'll command the ship?", suggesting they're the two senior officers onboard. Further evidence of Paris being third officer: He's clearly in command in "Initiations" when Janeway, Chakotay and Tuvok are absent. – Skteosk 21:50, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
- Jordi Was L/T, Wolf was still L. even Wolf say thst Jordi is a higher officer in episode PEAK PERFORMANCE. But Jordi Declines to engineering of the uss Hatherway. He is capable of that role as he is First officer in the 2parter REDEMTION. Why is he not in engineering at that time. I can recall twice he takes the bridge in the 1st season. But i really Dont think that 3rd incommand doesn't count. Worf is on Bridge command in BEST OF BOTH WORLDS for a moment you can see him standing by the captains chair through the doors of the turbo lift. The captain is still on the bridge the commander is with LTshellby going to meet Laforge in engineering with Data. But Does all this matter. Its just a scifi TV with to many wholes that can only be explained that iits star trek. They can do anything they want. ITS NOT REAL – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 95.147.68.141.
Fourth in line
Shouldn't the first passage read:
- ...was the third in line of command of a vessel after the captain.
It presently says fourth. The way that passage reads means it is excluding the captain in the count. The way I see it, after the captain the first officer would be first in line, the second officer the second in line and the third officer the third in line.
Anyone? --- TrekFan Talk 12:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Three years later, I've gone ahead and changed it! :D --| TrekFan Open a channel 23:36, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
Kor
Ironically, Kor, the only person who's ever referred to as a third officer, appears to be third-in-command after Martok and Worf (he assumes command when they are both incapacitated), suggesting that it's actually the Klingon equivalent of second officer. Although it is possible the second officer simply wasn't on the bridge at the time. – Skteosk 09:02, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
Worf
Isn't Data third officer? As seen in the episode Gambit? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by O'BrienTheCoolGuy (talk • contribs).
- No, Data is second officer. That was stated on at least a couple occasions throughout the series. -Mdettweiler 14:37, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
Before and After?
Is there any clear evidence that Paris is first officer in the alternate timeline? He might be but he's never actually stated as such or even shown in a command position. At least one guide book claims Tuvok was first officer, which would fit with him being next in seniority after Chakotay and identified as "Commander" (when he was still a lieutenant in the prime timeline). Skteosk 10:06, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Bashir
Was Bashir ever seen in a command role, or it pure speculation that he was third officer? Medical officers are staff and are usually outside the direct chain of command. Can anyone find an instance (aside from "Hippocratic Oath", where it was just him and O'Brien) where he was in command of DS9 or "Defiant", even temporarily?– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.69.5.100.
- Whomever wrote that may be going purely by rank- I don't recall Bashir ever being in command(aside from Hippocratic Oath) --31dot 15:01, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
- I admit the evidence is sketchy. He's specified as senior to O'Brien in "The Storyteller" (although again that's just the two of them) and referred to as senior staff on a number of occasions. Possibly the strongest example is in "Tears of the Prophets", where it's implied he's in command of DS9 with Sisko, Kira and Worf off station and Jadzia fatally wounded. (He's the one who contacts the Defiant and O'Brien's reaction suggests it's as acting commander.) Skteosk 16:52, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
- He was also seen leading a squadron during there practise in "Way of the Warrior" --General MGD 109 16:35, September 8, 2011 (UTC) 8th September 2011
- And he was in charge of a detachment of crew in "The Siege". --Skteosk 11:22, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
- I admit the evidence is sketchy. He's specified as senior to O'Brien in "The Storyteller" (although again that's just the two of them) and referred to as senior staff on a number of occasions. Possibly the strongest example is in "Tears of the Prophets", where it's implied he's in command of DS9 with Sisko, Kira and Worf off station and Jadzia fatally wounded. (He's the one who contacts the Defiant and O'Brien's reaction suggests it's as acting commander.) Skteosk 16:52, August 21, 2011 (UTC)