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Who is Mr. Mulney? -- Captain Mike K. Bartel 21:15, 7 Jan 2005 (CET)
- A redshirt yeoman-type guy in the episode. --Gvsualan 19:04, 16 Feb 2005 (GMT)
- * Shatner splits his pants at 28:04 into the episode, during a fight between Kirk and Colonel Green.
Oh, please. - Bridge 12:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
- When Abraham Lincoln asks if the crew still measures time in minutes Kirk says "We can convert to it." This is obviously not true, as there are numerous examples in prior episodes in which even Spock expresses time in minutes (e.g., "The Tholian Web"). However, this would make sense if one believes that the dialog and cultural references (such as units of measurement) in the series is "translated" into English from whatever future language prevails in the Federation. In that case, Lincoln's "minutes" would indeed need to be converted.
- Just nitpicking — Morder 09:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- In 2003, protesters in the United States opposing the war in Iraq cited a line of dialogue from this episode as if it were an actual quote from Abraham Lincoln: "There's no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war except its ending." 
- Removed the above, should probably be on Star Trek parodies and pop culture references.--31dot 13:27, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
I removed the following note, that has lacked citation for awhile now. If one can be found, feel free to return it:
- Arell Blanton was hired for this episode because of his military background, needed for the welcoming ceremony for Abraham Lincoln. He was in an episode of M*A*S*H years later for the same reason.
- Do you feel it is being used incorrectly in the background note? --OuroborosCobra talk 01:58, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
Yes: "...contrasting the lionized, iconoclastic Lincoln seen in the episode, common in the 1960s, with the more worldly portrayals often found today. "
Lionized _and_ iconoclastic? From the OED:
iconoclast: "A breaker or destroyer of images; spec. (Eccl. Hist.) one who took part in or supported the movement in the 8th and 9th centuries, to put down the use of images or pictures in religious worship in the Christian churches of the East; hence, applied analogously to those Protestants of the 16th and 17th centuries who practised or countenanced a similar destruction of images in the churches."
Does that sound like Lincoln or the image of Lincon in the late 60s at the same time he was being "lionized"? The writer obviously meant "Iconic"---again from the OED (2006 draft of a newer sense of the word):
"Designating a person or thing regarded as representative of a culture or movement; important or influential in a particular (cultural) context."
That sounds like the image of Lincoln in the late 60s, contrasted with "the more worldly portrayals often found today".
The writer used a word nearly the opposite of the one he meant, preferring it, apparently, because it's longer. Unfortunately, that happens a lot.
Kirk and Spock were not required on the Planet Edit
The Rock Creature fabricated 4 evil personas and 2 good personas, including Lincoln, modelled from Kirk's mind, and Surak, which it modelled from Spock's mind. So, why couldn't it have also created "Kirk" from Spock's mind and "Spock" from Kirk's mind in just the same way? It could have even done this while they were still aboard the Enterprise, as it did when it created Lincoln. And neither Spock nor Kirk would have known they had been used, just as Kirk was unaware that his mental construct of Lincoln had been used. 188.8.131.52 00:06, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
- In the future plot questions should be asked at the Reference Desk. 31dot (talk) 09:23, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
Done! 184.108.40.206 23:31, April 15, 2016 (UTC)