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Whining about continuity Edit

The background section reads like someone having a moan about Enterprise's continuity, and is packed with groundless speculation. I'd also suggest that the "24th century looking" BoP is merely a much-needed visual update, no more relevent or meaningful in-universe than the "too advanced" Enterprise NX-01 and USS Kelvin when compared to the TOS Enterprise. KingDaniel 19:54, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

I think there are better ways to say what is there; it may need to be tightened up a little, but I think the issue merits discussion in the article(contradictions in facts are permissible content per MA:NIT if discussed properly). The parts about Mike Sussman's comments and the novel should stay.--31dot 20:09, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Was it Cloaking? Edit

Sadly this would count as independent research, but could the apparent cloaking of the ship in fact be nothing of the sort? We see in Season4 of ENT that the Romulans have advanced holographic and sensor-deceiving technologies, allowing them to make a Romulan built drone ship appear on sensors to be Tellarite, Andorian, or even Human design. Couldn't that same technology be used to hide a ship behind an illusion of empty space? By creating a holographic shell of the space as it should look if not ship was present, and feeding the opponent's sensors false data to hide any telltale clues otherwise. This could also explain why the quantum beacon didn't pick them up.. The mines would be too small for such a system and thus used one of the systems already encountered by Enterprise, but the ship was using deception systems rather than something that altered the quantum states of matter for invisibility like the suliban and other ENT era cloaks seem to do. We see the federation using similar 'holographic cloaking' in the TNG era for their duckblind research on pre-warp societies. So the precedent is there. Presumably advances in technology would render such technology obsolete and easier to penetrate, leading to it being dropped in later centuries. Mithril (talk) 18:09, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

  • edit: had logged in via facebook, hadn't remembered that would create a separate account. fixed the signature to my correct account here. Mithril (talk) 18:09, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
The apparent continuity error between Minefield and Balance of Terror is explained in the novel The Good That Men Do. Scroll down to the Apocrypha section. --NetSpiker (talk) 06:43, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
Given that Novels are not main continuity, that doesn't really say anything about how it might have been in the show itself. Certainly them making use of a technology we see them employing in a later season has fewer issues that trying to shoehorn in gravity lens based cloaking a century in advance. not to mention the issue that if the mines and ships are using the same system, the quantum beacon should have either detected both of them or neither of them, not just the mines and not the ship. further you'd expect that if power consumption is the biggest hindrance, successful implementation would be on a larger platform able to carry greater power supply, not on small mines, which wouldn't have the room for much in the way of power stores or hardware. As an attempt to explain the anachronism, the novel certainly is a decent effort, but it creates rather more problems than it actually solves. Mithril (talk) 18:09, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

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