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Background/permitted resource

I realize I introduced you to the whole "not canon, but permitted resource" bit, but that was basically to tell you that the stuff you were adding was not "apocrypha", because you have had an apparent aversion to asking questions, or communicating in general. The fact that the rest of the references on this site are included in the background section linking to such references, already, it really is not a requirement to include said bit on every page that such a reference is made. In some cases it comes across redundant, as one should, theoretically, be able to click on the page for the ST:Chronology, Encyclopedia or any other Tech Manual to discover what type of reference it is. Anyway, just a thought. :) --Alan 02:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Mark XXV torpedo

Yes, that is credible, see this schematic. --Alan 14:54, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

That was a schematic used by the impostors, created from information obtained from the memory core of the Delta Flyer. It was used along with the Phaser Cannon as a "supposed weapon of the Voyager". It's not really credible as such considering it contradicts dialogue from other episodes. --Pseudohuman 15:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Ancient Humanoid

Well, that was a major screw up on my part. %-) Sorry about the fruitless debate then. If you haven't already, look at the talk page. I made the change to the article that you suggested, but feel free to modify it further. – Cleanse 13:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Retcons

May I politely suggest that you refrain from changing other articles to remove retcons at this time? There is not yet a consensus to do so. Our decision on USS Melbourne may mean that we do this, but we certainly should discuss this in the forums (and reach consensus) before we make sweeping changes to the database. Regards, Cleanse 04:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, Memory Alpha policy has been not to treat things as retcons, but to include BOTH versions. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 04:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

See the continuation of this discussion here. TribbleFurSuit 17:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Nitpicks

Memory-Alpha isn't a site for nitpicks. see Memory Alpha talk:Nitpick#Nitpicks/Bloopers --Morder 10:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Better yet, see :What Memory Alpha is not. You don't have to know the secret Forum page to learn this policy. TribbleFurSuit 17:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Right. Damn, I seem to have a problem with my self =D Where others see a nit, I see just a fact among others. But I can see the line now. If its a dialogue or graphics thing ignore it, if it's an episode premis thing then not. Right. --Pseudohuman 17:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I know you were trying to go along with the consensus RE: production inconsistencies. Good job - at least you're not trying to reconcile all those details into some imagined self-consistent canon, treating every single new episode featuring travel at stated warp factors and distances as retcons. What makes your contribution a nitpick is that the point had already been made. It just isn't necessary to catalogue every time the same inconsistency occurs on-screen. The nitpick in that case is in the attitude, not in the "rule" you rhetorically contrived. Though, if you ask me, the item itself is a nitpick, no matter how few or many instances are listed to make the point. In that case, it's a nitpick just because that's what we here call it when someone points out "LØØK th3Y fµ¢#3d ¡† √P!". Again, nothing like your "line" which you say you can see now. TribbleFurSuit 19:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Blind as a Aenar

No clue how I screwed that up. Sorry --Morder 05:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Past Tense

Just as a reminder, most in-universe articles are to be written in past tense. See MA:POV for more information. Thanks, Cleanse 07:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

My picture

Please see the talk page about my user image... File talk:Cyorxamp.jpg

"Top Secret classification in the ST universe" Touche

Pseudohuman, Touche, I did not think of that, however, that was the only instance that I remember of it occuring, but, as you pointed out it does exsist. Also, the captain already has level 10 security clearance, which seems to be required to be stated as part of the authorization code input sequence. And at that, wouldn't a voiceprint verification be performed anyways? But in that case one could argue that since an authorization code in the style Janeway used in "omega directive" is so far, unique it could be classified as top secret. JeffreyAlpha172 23:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Melbourne problems

As soon as possible, please guide yourself to the Melbourne talk page. We are having yet another problem, and your help is needed.

Ambassador/Ensign_Q 17:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Hotmail/other

Do you have a hotmail or any other email you use for messaging?

Ambassador/Ensign_Q 13:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I try my best not to make these things too personal, so I stay clear of mailing and chatting with other users. --Pseudohuman 14:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Ambassador/Ensign_Q 14:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you agree with my viewpoint?

Since I've been posting a lot in the forum:retcon, I was wondering whether agreed with what I'm saying there, or not. If not, then I shall desist immediately. Ambassador/Ensign_Q 16:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I think many contributors dont see how badly our articles fanedit the canon when we are arranging it in the way that we force it into an in-universe database that must be absolutely free of contradiction. It's defininetly something that should be relaxed so the articles would appear more objective to readers than what they are right now. It is almost relative to fan fiction for us to unnecessarely "weigh canon" in this way. I think it's mostly due to the inability to think beyond the box of how things are now. As long as we have the mandate of absolutely no contradictions, we have to pick and choose. If we let it go, we don't have to. It's as simple as that. --Pseudohuman 18:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Very well. I posted one more entry, before reading this message. Thank you for response.

As a sidenote, it is ironic how a site as biased as Ex Astris Scientia depicts the neutral viewpoint of having neither TOS or TOS-R more canon than the other, while a supposed "neutral, impartial, and unbiased" Wiki instantly takes a side. Funny that. Ambassador/Ensign_Q 18:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Feedback needed

Sorry to bother you, but I would really like to prevent my FA-nomination from passing unnoticed. I'd be deeply grateful for every feedback! Thank you, --36ophiuchi 11:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Laziness

In response to your "laziness" statement - I have no clue where in the movie you would even see that or if it actually exists. You're talking about a movie that is quite long with a scene that probably only took 2 seconds. So I will continue to remove anything that is not stated as fact and not backed up with a valid citation. You cited it but didn't state it as fact so please write them correctly or I will remove them. In addition it would be helpful, in the future, to post a screen capture of your information and post it here so that others can validate such a statement - that image can be used on other pages and not merely to validate data. (There's a lot of items posted on this site that could use that type of help) Finally, you shouldn't add anything that is unclear or unknown anything posted in that manner is removed by several people and not just me. We are here to document facts that are known and not show what is unknown. — Morder (talk) 00:14, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Point taken, in any event, the proper action for you is not to first delete statements from articles, but to first ask for a more detailed reference in the talk page, if none is given then consider removing the statement. Many contributors know the films and episodes extremely well and are happy to point out the scenes. At least that's what I would do... :) Also, sometimes all it takes is to format a relevant statement to a new tone to make it suitable for an MA article. --Pseudohuman 16:04, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please don't state something as vandalism when a user has offered a good faith edit to an article. In his view it's a good edit. Labeling something vandalism should be constrained to obvious vandalism such as removal of an entire page or adding vulgarities and so forth. Just for the future. Thanks :) — Morder (talk) 08:59, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Merging

I did a proper merge for T'Pau type if you wish to merge a page just go ahead and put a merge notice rather than just copy/paste text as the method linked outlines that we also merge user contributions to make sure everyone gets credit for their contributions. — Morder (talk) 10:36, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Vulcan freighter merge:

"If, after seven to ten days, there's consensus, perform the merge by copying all information from that page to the new one. Note the source page of the new information in the edit summary, and leave a note about the performed merge on the talk page."

You barely gave it 24 hours.... --Alan 17:36, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Soliton wave ship

As an aside, it was linked from a couple of places as "soliton wave test ship" rather than "soliton wave rider". It's best to make sure that all of the links are the same or at least go to the same place. Just FYI. -- sulfur 20:26, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. "Soliton wave rider" is the correct name as it comes from the lcars. It was called "test ship" in the dialogue due to it's role in the experiment. --Pseudohuman 20:30, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest that when the actual article is created, a redirect from "soliton wave test ship". Also, "soliton" was not capitalized in the script. Finally... "it's" only ever means "it is" or "it has". "its" means "belonging to it". :) -- sulfur 20:32, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Greetings from Pori Spaceport.

Greetings pseuduhuman, and hyvvöö päivöö. Thanx for corrections on latest submission, however i must insist adding some sort of speed information to the borg transwarp conduits. As its essential piece of borg technology, and explains how voyager was able to travel thousands of lightyears in instant, its not only nickpick info, its cruisial data on several different sections. Not only it informs that it is WAY faster than warping, or slipstream warping, its plot developement info also. --JHawx 23:02, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Tried adding following to humans discussion, but getting failed all the time

What makes humans different

I just figured out that naming is intypical to the universe on humans. Other species is referred by their originating planetary systems (eq, acamarian, lives at acamaria III). Now humans are called "human" or "Terrans", but accordingly to the logic of intergalaxial naming, humans should be then called "Solarians". Oh, and btw: humans are also being called "Pinkskins, hue-mans" and so on... Maybe its nothing special, and maybe writers were just a little lazy on naming issues, dont know, but its kinda funny. --JHawx 15:59, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

this gives only following error Unexpected non-MediaWiki exception encountered, of type "StompException" exception 'StompException' with message 'Could not connect to 10.8.2.221:61613 (10/10)' in /usr/wikia/source/releases_201002.4/lib/Stomp.php:169 Anything you can do about it??? Kiitti/THX --JHawx 16:07, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Pseudohuman's not a wiki staff guy, he can't really help you with that. That error is an internal system error. Looks like it's sorted itself out now too. -- sulfur 16:17, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Images for deletion

When adding a deletion notice, make sure that you also add it to the page linked from there, with a brief blurb as to why. -- sulfur 10:20, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

removing stuff

Hi, when removing sizable chunks of text from bg notes it's generally recommended that you archive it on the talk page, ideally with a short justification as to why it was removed.

(and on a related subject, I've just removed a note you've written on European Alliance, but it's not really gone, I copied it to Europe, which I think is a far more suitable place for the info). -- Capricorn 14:37, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Again, could you do this please? -- Capricorn 23:45, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Pages

Hi there Pseudohuman. When adding references to books such as the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual, could you please add page numbers (and the edition, when like the Tech manual there are multiple editions)? This is part of an effort to make references more precise and easier to verify. For more information, see Memory Alpha: Cite your sources#Secondary sources. Thanks. –Cleanse ^{( talk | contribs )} 07:28, August 12, 2011 (UTC)

"Inter Arma..." FA Nomination

Hello Pseudohuman, I was hoping you might be able to spare a few minutes to read through "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" and perhaps consider voting for it as an FA? Regardless, any comments you may have on the article would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. :) --| TrekFan ^{Open a channel} 22:01, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Vedala

Nice edits! There is a small problem. We don't know that the Bonaventure was the ONLY human ship in the Delta triangle. It was likely the only one that Starfleet knew to have been lost there, but the members of the Elysian council never said that it was in fact the only one. Also the yellow ship has a totally alien design.... I really don't think it was built by humans. Also I don't remember if they ever said that Lara was aboard one of the ships we saw in the picture. Or that she was anything more than a passenger.--Marhawkman 15:47, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

New T'Khut image

Hi, Psuedohuman. Could you please explain where you got the image File:Vulcan and T'Khut.jpg from? --Defiant 18:30, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

a screencap from the net. -Pseudohuman 18:52, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

I suspected as much. Could you be more specific about the source, though? --Defiant 19:08, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

the screencap was here. [1] is there a problem with it? -Pseudohuman 19:15, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Not really, other than the naming issue; I just thought a screencap from Star Trek: The Motion Picture (The Director's Edition) (or, even better, from Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Blu-ray)) might render a higher quality image. Also, there's black borders at the sides of this version of the image that'd need to be removed. --Defiant 19:28, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Updated with high def screencap from trek core. --Pseudohuman 19:43, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Cool! I really like it. :) --Defiant 19:56, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

New Proposal

Hello there. I wish to invite you to contribute and/or vote in this discussion on a new way of electing and retaining admins on Memory Alpha. Should you not wish to vote, your thoughts and opinions on this matter would be greatly appreciated in the "discussion" section. Kind regards, TrekFan. --| TrekFan ^{Open a channel} 11:36, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Elysia

I like that change. :)--Marhawkman 21:23, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Please join discussion about image policy

Hi Pseudohuman,

we're currently discussing some specifics of our image use policy MA:IMAGE. In case you haven't seen it already, the ongoing discussion is located at Memory Alpha talk:Image use policy#redux. I would like to invite you to that discussion specifically, because a past image deletion discussion that you started (for File:Warp field.png) has been brought up in the discussion, and there has been some controversy regarding your exact reasoning for that deletion. Basically: did you bring it up because it was a "self-created" image per se, or because it depicted things that are "not canon"? Perhaps you could clear that up, so that we can end that sub-discussion - and, of course, any other comment you want to make regarding future dealings with images would be welcome, too. Thanks. :) -- Cid Highwind 12:35, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Xindi incident

Can you take a look at this article for the reconfirmation? At least one more support vote is needed on this one due to its history, though any vote would be welcome. - Archduk3 23:04, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

File:Romulan senators, Nemesis.jpg

I've uploaded this image to illustrate the "Unnamed Romulans" article and have an image of the Romulan sentors. Your recently uploaded image missed about half of the senators. If you want a different image for the star chart, please upload one. Thanks. Tom (talk) 15:10, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Eden

The information in Eden was taken from the transcript. I am very careful about what I put in.

Mythical Eden:

Sevrin: The planet Eden.

Kirk: That planet, it is a myth.

Search parameters:

Chekov: I am not. These tapes contain star charts and we project the orbits of the various planets here. By mathematical process, we determine whether or not they are affect by other bodies not yet charted.

Animal life:

We don’t know if there is animal life on the planet. It may be hostile to humanoid life-forms, but animal life may have adapted to the plants acidity and was able to eat the planets. There are places on our planet where similar conditions do exist, where humans couldn't exist, but planets and animals do.Throwback (talk) 17:28, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Tau Alpha C

Tau Alpha C was never identified as a planet in the canon. The dialogue was vague. In sense one, in "In the Flesh", Captain Kathryn Janeway stated, "I'm from Earth". However, in sense two, in "Cogenitor", Captain Jonathan Archer and Drennik had this conversation,

Drennik: Captain Drennik. Where have you traveled from?

Archer: The Sol system. And you?

Drennik: We come from a system called Vissia, more then twenty five light-years from here. We saw you arrive yesterday. I assume you're here to study the hypergiant.

I opted for the more conservative approach, that Tau Alpha C was a star. It could be also the name of a planet, Sahndare (sun)-Sahndara (planet). I checked Startrek.com to see what they said on the matter. They identified Tau Alpha C as a system. Qo'noS at StarTrek.com. And that is why I wrote the article in the way I did.

I count the statement by Dr. Crusher as a mistake. Instead of nitpicking the statement, I have included her statement in the background notes. Her usage was closer to sense two, that the Traveler was from a system.Throwback (talk) 18:31, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Fixing Articles

I have fixed planet and system articles up to "Operation -- Annihilate!". I am leaving the rest to you. Congratulations, you won this round, Throwback (talk) 02:20, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Locations - Guiding Philosophy

1. Production Viewpoint

According to this map [[2]][[[3]] that was created for Star Trek: Insurrection, the Federation, as represented here by Sol, was bordered by the Cardassian Union on the west, the Ferengi Alliance to the northwest, and the Klingons and the Romulans on the east. It shows that Sol was on the border between the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. This understanding of galactic locations was carried over to the reference book, Star Trek: Star Charts, that was written by a person who was close to the art and production departments.

2. Changes to Production Viewpoint

According to dialog, the Romulan and Klingon empires were located in the Alpha Quadrant. This would necessitate moving the border line to the east of these empires. I know that you believe in reconciling contradictions. I disagree with this stance. I was taught that if b is newer and that it contradicts a, that b should be considered as true and a as false.

3. Locating Places in the Alpha Quadrant

I locate places based on the production viewpoint and changes to the production viewpoint. For instance, Cestus III. We learned from one episode that Bajor, located near the Cardassian empire, was at one end of the Federation and Cestus III was located at the other end. The Klingons and Romulans were located at the other end. In the book mentioned above, Cestus III was located near the Klingon empire.

I don't see this as speculating. I see this as adhering close to what was seen and heard in the episodes. I don't how much of this you will understand. I feel that you take changes to the pages as an insult to yourself. This worries me deeply. I see editing as a fun exercise. I don't have the passion that you apparently do. I would have liked to work with you so that the edits are less speculating, in your opinion, and are more based in fact. For me, the opinion of the production department, amended by the dialog, as fact. They place Federation homeworlds and colonies as being in the Alpha Quadrant. If I am speculating, then they are speculating. Upon further consideration, I don't think we can work together and resolve our differences. It's sad, but true. Goodbye, Throwback (talk) 03:45, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

How to place locations in Alpha Quadrant without saying directly

In the background notes, I am saying this about locations of star systems, stars, and planets, unless they are directly stated to be in the Alpha Quadrant or the Beta Quadrant or another quadrant. "Presumably, <name> was located in the Alpha Quadrant." The definition of presume is, " To take for granted as being true in the absence of proof to the contrary." [4] This is based on my understanding of what the people who worked behind the scenes believed, that the territory of the Federation was sandwiched between the Cardassians/Ferengi/Talarians/Tholians on one end and the Klingon/Romulans on the other end. If you have a problem with this, please let me know.Throwback (talk) 12:19, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

There is absolutely no evidence to support your speculations. All canon evidence supports that ships can easily pass into neutral territory, beyond those powers and travel and explore all around the quadrants and always have. For example the star chart in "The Chase". Space isn't 2-dimensional, even if some charts make it look like that. We know from "The Trouble with Tribbles" that Cardassia and the Klingon border was about a 100 light years away from each other and from First Contact that Federation is spread across 8000 light years supporting the line from "The Neutral Zone" that the Federation had expanded "everywhere". All I am saying is that we do not know how it is, we dont know how fed space is divided, so we should not fill in the blanks. That seems to be something you like to do, so i suggest you go off and write fan fiction about it somewhere else... I will try to find the time to delete all your speculations from the articles, but you seem to have more time on your hands than me at the moment, so I cant keep up with the pace you are ruining the pages. I sincerely hope you would stop. :/ --Pseudohuman (talk) 22:35, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Fixing the Website

I have done damage to this wikia. I am able to admit this. I suffer from a mental disability, and I have attempted to flee from it by working on this wikia. For my health, I have requested that 31dot banned me permanently from this website. I don't trust myself to fix the pages I have damaged; I may go outside that mandate. I started at "The Man Trap" and ended I believe with "The Child". I think you are capable of fixing those pages. 31dot has already started.Throwback (talk) 03:58, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

TNG-R making TNG non-canon?

Please see Forum:TNG-R making TNG "non-canon"?. -- sulfur (talk) 18:55, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Cold Front item

Could you take a look at this discussion? Ideas and input would be helpful. - Archduk3 17:57, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

The Melbourne again

Since you seem to be the person most involved with this issue still here, you would be the person who could make the most of this. - Archduk3 15:38, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguations

When adding links to articles, please be sure that you're linking to the page you intend to link to. For example "Mercury" is not the planet... "Mercury (planet)" is. Just FYI. :) -- sulfur (talk) 12:13, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Your split suggestion

Just a small heads up: if you still want to work on the split you suggested on Talk:Constitution class_model#Split, now would be a good time to get back to that discussion. The discussion seems to have run its course, mostly, so perhaps you could now work on a pair of temp articles to let us see where exactly the split line would be. -- Cid Highwind (talk) 11:46, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

STID images

Just confirming that the images you uploaded come from some early digital release, correct? - Archduk3 22:10, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

From the digital copy released on August 20. yes. I'm not uploading any more, best to wait for the bluray for best quality. --Pseudohuman (talk) 22:15, August 23, 2013 (UTC)

Klingon Empire in the Alpha Quadrant

I am heading you off at the pass. I don't want to get into an editing war. According to a graphic seen in Star Trek Into Darkness, the Klingon Empire was located in the Alpha Quadrant. See here: http://i.imgur.com/Mx0hcIt.jpgThrowback (talk) 06:59, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Parts of the empire yes. But Qo'noS and the system was located in the Beta Quadrant. See information table from video: [5] --Pseudohuman (talk) 07:04, September 19, 2013 (UTC)