What was Chekov's clearance code? I only heard "Wictor Wictor". ;) - JustPhil 15:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
- I believe it was "Victor Victor 2." --TimPendragon Hail 20:59, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
How did the destruction of the Kelvin lead to the change in Chekov's birth?
My personal opinion is that Chekov should have been left out of this movie and have instead been reintroduced in the next film.
Besides, he was annoying. --Chris 16:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe someone very close to Andrei Chekov died on the USS Kelvin and Andrei mourned for him/her these additional 4 years before becoming the father of Pavel. No, really, there are many possibilities. QuiGonJinnTalk 17:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Or he was lying at some point. --Alan 17:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- The difference is actually reversed QuiGonJinn. Chekov in the prime timeline was born in 2245, four years after his alternate universe counterpart. This can be explained by the idea that Chekov's parents met four years earlier as a result of the destruction of the Kelvin. When a ship is lost like that, a lot of things can happen which would cause people to meet where they normally wouldn't have. Maybe in the prime timeline someone who died on the kelvin in the alternate timeline was on a ship with one of Chekov's parents but in the alternate timeline this person was replaced by the other one of Chekov's parents. IndyK1ng 17:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oh, my bad. You are right. QuiGonJinnTalk 18:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh come on IndyK1ng! That's impossible for the same exact person to be born 4 years earlier. That's simply a bug in the film. ;) Can't do anything about it.
Jamjumetley 18:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- It is a bug. But the one that can be explained by the effects of the reality change. QuiGonJinnTalk 18:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if you're attempting to be sarcastic or not (if you were, you failed) but it is possible. Also, I didn't say it was the exact same person, I merely stated that he has the same parents. Whether his genetic code is the same is definitely questionable. This explains why he appears to be much more intelligent than his prime universe counterpart (though this may only be because nothing on this level is shown in the series ie. him transporting people moving at high speeds) IndyK1ng 18:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- It is most certainly not a bug, since they wouldn't want to have a 13-year-old Chekov in the movie. They changed his birthdate specifically because he wouldn't have been able to be introduce in the film otherwise. It is quite possible that he has a different genetic code, but I'm not complaining that they replaced a crappy character with an intelligent, interesting one.– Bowenthebeard 18:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- I think it's possible for there to be a change in Chekov's birthdate. Butterfly effect, anyone? Maybe Chekov's father survived the Kelvin, he realized how short life was, and decided to have a kid as soon as possible.- JustPhil 18:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- That's a pretty decent point, Phil. My whole take on it is that the Kelvin destruction was probably a media circus, or at least an event that dictated policy of the military differently. It was heroic enough to become a major study at Pike's Academy tenure.
- A good theory is that the Kelvin incident, through the effects of fear, aggression and paranoia caused in citizens by an unexplainable outside attack, prompted an increase in Starfleet recruitment, as well as being an influence in ship design and weapon design in that the Federation didn't want their weapons to be useless against advanced technology they had seen in action.
- One additional possibility is that the Federation gained knowledge from the Kelvin's sensor logs -- if the explosives used could be reverse engineered by the Federation based on recording taken at the scene, we would have to account that the alternate reality ships had greater weapons technology, based on the fact they were using future technology. They would have won more historic battles, and avoided others, creating a different dynamic of Federation expansion rippling outward from Nero's epicenter. The increase in recruitment or expansionism, and conflicts that came with, could have also resulted in any major baby booms of the early-to-mid-century happening at different times, meaning individuals would be subtly changed. -- Captain MKB 18:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Of course, it's also possible that the prime-Chekov was frozen in stasis for four years, thus changing his age; while the alter-Chekov was never put in stasis -- this line of speculation explains why they could be the same person but be different ages. -- Captain MKB 20:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- That's stretching it a bit, but maybe.- JustPhil 21:03, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- No. Just no– Bowenthebeard 04:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but you're all overlooking that the 2245 date is based on the assumption that "Who Mourns for Adonais?" took place in 2267, which is merely an educated guess of the ST Chronology. Only a few TOS episodes (such as Journey to Babel) can definately be placed in a certain year. --212.166.99.114 06:01, 26 May 2009 (UTC)