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Related to the whole United Nations (original) → New United NationsUnited Nations (second/third?) business...

Could not the person who said New United Nations just have been saying new United Nations. In other words, the current UN fell apart during WWIII, and it's replacement is the one that led to United Earth.

This would make more sense, and also be simpler (ala Occam's razor) —MJBurrage 03:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Q said "(n/N)ew United Nations" in "Encounter at Farpoint". In the first draft script (where the date is given as 2016, it's capitalized as "new United Nations." In the DVD subtitles to the episode (where the date is 2036), it's capitalized as "New United Nations." If any of that is of consequence. The "(n/N)ew United Nations" was gone by 2079, and was clearly "new" so it is unlikely to refer to a 90-year-old organization (that would last less than 43 more years).
Another organization noted simply as "UN" was listed on the information to SS Mariposa (it listed the ship's "UN Registry") from 2123. This heavily implies to me that there are three organizations, although I guess it's possible that the original UN co-existed for a time with the New UN (perhaps rival organizations? Interesting WWIII theory there...)--Tim Thomason 18:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge with UNEdit

As mentioned above, the final draft of "Encounter at Farpoint" capitalizes it as "new United Nations". (and for completeness' sake, so does the second draft). I find it very hard to look at that capitalization and imagine that the writers intended to posit an organisation called the New United Nations. In fairness, (I don't know what the most recent edition says, but) my third edition Star Trek encyclopedia does have an entry for "United Nations, New", but script overrides reference works for naming, so...
This would also help with the problematic last reference on the page, where the Mariposa is apparently mentioned to have an UN registry, but is mentioned here instead because of the timeframe -- Capricorn (talk) 00:06, February 24, 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps we could rename this to "United Nations (new)". The term "new United Nations" still suggests a different, or at least successor, organization to the "old" United Nations, perhaps simply reusing the name. Or, we could merge as suggested and indicate that "new" was somehow used to describe the UN by 2036. Either way, the Encyclopedia's "New United Nations" could be noted as a bg note. 31dot (talk) 00:47, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
Oppose merge, as there is clearly suppose to be a difference between the UNs, even if it isn't the name. The Star Trek Encyclopedia (4th ed., vol. 2, p. 442) does still list this as UN, New. - Archduk3 04:47, February 24, 2017 (UTC)

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