How is Morath a member of the Imperial Family, since he did not descend from Kahless? -- Connor Cabal 05:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Isn't he Kahless' brother? --OuroborosCobra talk 05:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Right, but he was not descended from Kahless. He was related to the Family but was not a member per se; the Empire was founded by Kahless. Sort of like if Martok had a brother, he would not be considered to be of the House of Martok. Morath could've been part of the Family if he was gin'tak, but that doesn't seem very likely. -- Connor Cabal 13:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Last I checked, brothers were considered a member of a family. I certainly consider my sister part of my family. --OuroborosCobra talk 15:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

So I suppose there is a distinction between this particular Klingon Family and a Great House. -- Connor Cabal 17:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure if Martok had a (presumably younger) brother, he would be of the House of Martok. After all, Worf's younger brother Kurn was part of the House of Mogh. Thus, I think it's fair enough to call Morath a member of the Imperial family. Perhaps the opening line should be clarified. – Cleanse 01:12, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

If Martok had a brother, he would be from the 'House of Martok's Father'. In the case of Worf and Kurn, they are both descendants of Mogh, so it is natural that they would be of Mogh's House. Kahless' children would be in both his House and his family, but his brother would only be in his family. What it comes down to is 'Does the House of Kahless = The Klingon Imperial Family?' -- Connor Cabal 01:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

From my understanding, a house represents a family. The oldest male person is head of the house. It appears up to them whether they change the name of the house or not, or maybe the House of Mogh is a special case for some reason. If it was the "House of Worf" I still believe 100% that Kurn would be part of it. Worf in "Redemption" defiantly says "I'm the older brother Kurn!", which strongly suggests that older brothers in general have control over younger brothers ie. they're part of the same house. – Cleanse 01:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)