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Youngest Captain[]

I changed the outdated information on Kirk being the youngest captain in the fleet's history to this date, since TNG's "Conspiracy" makes undoubtedly clear that Tryla Scott has aquired that title at some time in the 24th century. – Ambassador 00:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

When was it first established (in canon) that Kirk was the youngest captain in streerfleet history? Is it confirmed that he first became captain at the age of 31? --MShivers 22:10, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I added a "cite your sources" tag to this entry on 1/17/2011 and no one has come forward yet. At some point this needs to go, but I'm reluctant to do it myself. --GNDN 15:43, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

The 17 Violations[]

I think I figured out what Kirk's 17 temporal violations were based on stuff seen in movies/episodes and wondered if those were worth listing anywhere, or if they're too superfluous? – Ostron 20:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I would not consider them too "superfluous", but it might be worth putting them here for others to look at first. --OuroborosCobra talk 20:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
A lot would depend on what you consider "violations"...are we talking about time travel incidents in general, or ones where the past was interfered with in some way?
The only ones I can come up with on the top of my head that include actual temporal tampering are: the Edith Keeler incident, the Capt Christopher incident, the Gary Seven incident, and the "Whalesong" incident. If you are referring to general time travel, then the Psi 2000 incident would also apply.
It is possible that each "incident" may involve multiple violations, in the same manner, for instance, that if you were to hold a gun on a group of 5 people, you would be charged with 5 counts of "assault with a deadly weapon". That would make it easier to come up with 17 violations out of those few incidents.Capt Christopher Donovan 00:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Since the definition on here of the Temporal Prime Directive simply stated interference as a breach and not time travel itself, I didn't count just incidents of time travel as violations. However, in order to reach 17 I had to assume that Kirk would have been held responsible for actions of his subordinates. The ones I came up with follow (these are not in order):

  • Abducted/transported John Christopher
  • Enterprise photographed by 1960s earth military
  • Security guard abducted/transported
  • Record tapes from military base stolen (this done by members of crew; violation under "captain's responsible")
  • Allowed Gary Seven to alter history
  • Was arrested and threatened travelers in Sarpedion's past
  • McCoy traveled back in time and prevented death of Edith Keeler (violation under "captain's responsible")
  • Allowed Spock to travel back in time and guide his younger self (violation under "captain's responsible").
  • Sells glasses from the future to collector in 1986.
  • Formula for transparent aluminum given to engineer in 1986 (violation under "captain's responsible")
  • Tells Jillian Taylor about future origins
  • Klingon equipment confiscated by US military in 1986 (violation under "captain's responsible")
  • Made Chekov "disappeared" from Mercy hospital, leaving records of his stay.
  • Reveals Klingon Bird of Prey to a 1986 whaling crew.
  • Brings 2 Humpback whales from 1986 to 23rd century.
  • Brings Jillian Taylor from 1986 to 23rd century.
  • Exits the Nexus in the 24th century and disrupts plans of Soren.

That's 17. Ostron 16:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Another actor that spoke like Kirk?[]

I thought I found an article that mentioned a guest star, who copied William Shatner's speech patterns as Kirk when doing his character. I can't find the article again for the life of me. I don't suppose anyone has got any idea which guest star I'm talking about? I think it might have been a captain or something, in either TNG, DS9 or VOY. Also, the actor may have played other characters - I think the character where he copies Kirk's speech patterns only appears in one episode, but I'm not sure. Sorry it's so vague! Can anyone help? Thanks! 90.200.153.37 08:24, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if it's the one you're thinking about, but J.G. Hertzler based his performance as Laas on Shatner's performance as Kirk, according to the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion. Have a look at the background info on "Chimera" - there's a quote from Hertzler on the topic. – Cleanse 03:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that was it. Thanks! 90.208.215.200 04:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

No problem. ;-) – Cleanse 06:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Winona Kirk[]

Under "Apocrypha", this article says, "The novel Collision Course by William Shatner gives James Kirk's father's name as "Joseph Samuel Kirk". The name of Kirk's mother is said to be "Winona Kirk"." It's not clear (to me, at least) whether the name "Winona Kirk" comes from Collision Course or some other source. Where was it first used? —Josiah Rowe 21:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Kirk's birth[]

Are we sure Kirk was not born on the Kelvin in the prime timeline? Winona was very close to giving birth. Am I to understand that had the Narada not arrived, Kirk would somehow have been born in Iowa? 64.12.116.202 17:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Nothing ever said Kirk was born in Iowa. In Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Kirk said he was "from Iowa" (and he only works in outer space), but didn't specify if he meant birth or simply where he grew up. It's different for many people, including myself.--Tim Thomason 18:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually, File:Historical archive, Starfleet (production resource).jpg – from ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II" – makes it clear that James T. Kirk (prime) was born in Iowa on 2233 March 22. Since it is also now canon that his mother was on board the USS Kelvin just before giving birth, one would presume that she originally got home just before she delivered. This implies that the Alternate reality Kirk was born a little early due to the stress of Nero's attack (so probably mid-March rather than March 22). —MJBurrage(TC) 20:19, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
There is no evidence from the TOS or the first 6 movies that Captain Kirk's Father served in the Star Fleet. The reference to the Alternate Reality movie needs to be removed to an isolated section about the alternate reality movie. Magnumserpentine 21:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
See my comment in the following section. —MJBurrage(TC) 02:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

=> modifications in 2233 are wrongs (?) Prime Kirk is born in Iowa ; and alternate kirk is born in the medical shuttlecraft Kevin. I agree with: Winona delivered due to the stress !!!

=> The farm, where he lives, is his uncle's farm ? sources Star Trek Generations. In Star Trek who speaks in car's nokia ? is his uncle ? C-IMZADI-4 22:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I forgot about the bio screen earlier. The uncle's farm in Generations was in Idaho not Iowa, so it has no bearing on the film.--Tim Thomason 02:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Since the writers have stated that the USS Kelvin was on its way to Earth when it intercepted readings from the black hole and that the attack on the Kelvin caused a premature birth, and since there was a cut line stating that Prime Kirk was born on a farm in Iowa (see comment #488 here, there is no longer any real evidence to contradict that Prime Kirk was not born in Iowa. The alternate reality and the prime reality stay separate, and in the prime reality, Kirk says he is from Iowa, meaning he was born in Iowa. Had he actually been born in outer space, he would have said so, since Gillian asked him if he worked in outer space. When someone explains where they are from, they normally say something along the lines of "I was born in Russia, but I grew up in Kentucky." Kirk said he was from Iowa, meaning he was born in Iowa. I say we should just state that fact rather than circling around it just because he was born elsewhere in an alternate reality. Saying he wasn't born in Iowa is speculation, IMO. --From Andoria with Love 05:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I still think that John McCain would never say he was "from the Panama Canal Zone", even though he was born there. But since the writers have confirmed that Kirk would have been born in Iowa were it not for Nero's incursion, that takes care of that. —Josiah Rowe 05:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Glad we're all in agreement! :) Since no one has opposed the idea, I'll make the changes. --From Andoria with Love 19:16, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Also, the file is seen in the episode, in case anyone was curious. As seen in File:Historical archive, Starfleet.jpg. Roger Murtaugh (talk) 10:49, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Alternate Reality Related material.[]

I feel that all Alternate Reality material needs to be excised and moved to a separate section. There is no evidence in the TOS or Movies 1-6 that gives what Kirk Sr. was doing. Some fiction stories have him in Star Fleet. But there is no evidence for it. Just my two cents worth Magnumserpentine 21:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect, prime Spock told alternate Kirk of his father who lived. That was not alternate reality related material. --Alan 21:39, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
The alternate reality does not begin until Nero shows up, so George Kirk being first officer of the USS Kelvin with his pregnant wife aboard is canon in both realities. —MJBurrage(TC) 02:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


Pre Enterprise Service History[]

I know its mostly accepted that Kirk served on the Republic first and then the Farragut, but this really makes little sense. I think its the other way around and here's the clear facts as to why:

1) There is no data on where Kirk served after the Farragut attack. This is a swatch of history left wide open. 2) Kirk says he served with Finney on the Republic some years after the Academy, not during. 3) Kirks admonishment of Finney move him up on the Ship Captain's list. Obviously this was sometime near his promotion to captain otherwise why would he even be on the list?

--Mark 2000 23:37, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

It's been established that Kirk was an Ensign on the Republic and a Lieutenant on the Farragut. Ensign comes before Lieutenant. -- Captain MKB 00:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think Kirks admonishment of Finney moved him up on the PROMOTION list, not the Captain's list. Therefore, it is not clear, that he was a commander or at least a lieutenant commander at that time. --Captain Wiesel 14:23, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

They clearly referred to him as "Ensign Kirk of the USS Republic" at numerous points in that episode. -- Captain MKB 14:49, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Which only confirms my argument... --Captain Wiesel 15:20, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are trying to argue, then? Didn't you just say you thought Kirk was a commander or lieutenant commander when it's been proven here he was an ensign? -- Captain MKB 12:29, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

No, I was trying to explain that there is NO argument to assume Kirk was a commander or lieutenant commander during his time on the Republic because there is no mentioning of a "captain's list" in this context (compare Argument 3 of Mark 2000). There is only a "promotion list". So, I completely agree with you! --Captain Wiesel 16:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

A few notes:
  • We know that in TWOK, senior Academy cadets serve as midshipmen on "live" missions.
  • Also, from TWOK, we know that Lieutenant (not Cadet) Saavik was taking the Kobayashi Maru scenario to test her command ability at the Academy.
  • Kirk beating the Kobayashi Maru at the Academy, as a cadet, is from Trek 09, post-AR interference and can be reliably ignored as a Prime reference.
My suggestion then, is that for his Midshipman tour, Kirk served on the Republic "as" an Ensign. (This presumption can be inferred when compared to real-world Military Academies when fourth-year cadets are imbeded with active-duty units for a semester, they are treated (and referred to) as O-1's, not as cadets.)
After graduation, Kirk is assigned to the Farragut under Garrovick for a 5-year mission, then as a LT, returns to the Academy for Command training where he serves as a student-instructor to Gary Mitchell and beats the Kobayashi Maru.
After Command Training he is assigned to the Republic again where he serves with Ben Finney, who he met "some years earlier" during his Midshipman tour. During this 5-year mission, he "rapidly advances through the ranks" up to Commander before earning Captaincy of the Enterprise in 2265.
Considering all of that, I would submit that the timeline should be correctly listed as outlines here:
This timeline (1)incorporates all of the available information, (2)does not contradict itself (Lieutenant no longer comes before Ensign), (3)is comparable to real-world counterparts, (4)is compatible with similar training schedules that are seen in the future (i.e. Academy, cadet cruise, command/department head training as mid-grade officer, instructor assignments are only 1-2 years long, etc.), and best of all, (5)it narrows the blonde lab tech down to either Carol Marcus or Janet Wallace.
Gawain VIII 21:42, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Awards after "Court Martial[]

Something curious here about TOS: "Court Martial". The list of Kirk's medals and awards that is read aloud in this episode already shows Kirk as a highly decorated combat veteran of Starfleet. I am curious if there is any reference in a novel, book, or live action show about what awards Kirk had amassed at the end of his career (well over twenty five years after "Court Martial"). I have also found it interesting that in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Kirk shows up the high level briefing without ribbons while the admiral's all wear thiers. One has to wonder if Kirk would have soundly beaten the flag staff in number of awards displayed.

So, anyhow, just curious about if there is a list somewhere. On my own website I have a (very non-canon) list of awards which I have speculated on but none of that is in any way offical. -FC 16:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Ok...what?[]

How did Sandra Smith portray Captain Kirk? Last time I checked, she has a vagina. Also...how come this dosnt even mention Chris Pine at all?--76.174.34.216 10:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:Sandra Smith - see "Turnabout Intruder". Regarding Pine, he played the alternate James T. Kirk.– Cleanse 10:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Removed[]

"154 (current year in canon timeline)" ...why do we need to note the current age for a dead character? Shouldn't we leave it at physical and relative age at time of death?--Golden Monkey 21:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

we don't. — Morder (talk) 22:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Is this legit[]

There has been speculation that Kirk and Spock were romantically involved, some even suggesting that soon after the V'Ger incident the two were married/bonded. There has been much evidence cited among believers such as the creation of the word t'hy'la, a Vulcan word meaning friend/brother/lover, to explicitly describe the relationship of Kirk and Spock. Star Trek: The Motion Picture (novel) Despite the myriad of analysis nothing has ever been officially canon-ized about this relationship.

I haven't read the novel, so I don't know, but this seems like hogwash to me(the interpretation, anyway, not the passage). I removed it from the main article and if this is something legit it should go to the apocrypha section.--31dot 23:26, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

You did? I don't think so :) - Yeah, it's not legit. "He had long ago decided that he would neither return to that place nor move among its people ever again. Jim! Good-bye my...my t'hy'la." Clearly it's all just fan speculation and almost all Kirk/Spock lovers crap seems to come from a single episode of TOS where spock gave kirk a backrub. — Morder (talk) 23:31, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the humourous reply. :) Just thought I'd check.--31dot 23:42, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

bmu,s[]

See: Forum:Beam me up, Scotty

Gary Mitchell[]

Mitchell was a helmsman. Pavel Chekov replaced the last regularly posted navigator, whoever that might have been. 64.255.180.112 03:05, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Enemies[]

Kirk has at least 7 personnel enemies:

Gary Mitchell-turned into a insane superman who tries to kill Kirk

Charlie Evans -see discussion on Star Trek: Of Gods and Men in which he hunts down Kirk after 40 years

Khan Noonien Singh -tries to kill Kirk but only succeeds in destroying himself

Arne Darvin-tries to kill Kirk for being banished from the Klingon Empire

Ben Finney -will probably be acquitted but insane-also has grudge against Kirk for destroying his career in Starfleet

Janice Lester -also goes insane

Tolian Soran -insane scientist who finally kills off Kirk!

The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.83.75.141 (talk).

Do note that "Of Gods and Men" is irrelevant to any conversation, as it is fan fiction. -- sulfur 15:48, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
Was Soran even an enemy of Kirk? He didn't even know him! – Fadm tyler 22:26, January 7, 2011 (UTC)


From Evil Kirk[]

I assume this refers to "The Enemy Within". Is each version of Kirk in this episode a separate entity, and thus worthy of separate articles? If so, is this the best title?--31dot 08:33, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that we should, but this is a terrible name. And where's the other half? "Good Kirk"? I don't think so... -- sulfur 12:28, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Is the script available, to see how it dealt with this situation?--31dot 19:31, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
If we want to keep this, we could title it as James T. Kirk with some sort of disambiguation qualifier, but I'm not sure what it could be- "duplicate", "Alfa 117"? --31dot 01:01, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

We'd need to have a page for the "good" split too then. And both pages would be pretty slim of information too. -- sulfur 01:04, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

One could make the argument that the Kirk page would be sufficient to talk about both, since both are him. Of course, we have a separate Tuvix article. I don't know.......I would need to see how this page benefits us.--31dot 01:09, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

In response to an earlier question, I doubt the script for "The Enemy Within" is available online; as far as I can tell, the only TOS scripts that are (as found here) are "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "What Are Little Girls Made Of?". --Defiant 01:19, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Reply to the first question: No, "Evil" Kirk is not a a separate entity. Tuvix is the combination of two separate entities to create a new, different entity. Kirk, and B'Elanna Torres for that matter, had parts of their personality given form, but they remained just a part of the original. As such, I've put this up for a merge with James T. Kirk. - Archduk3 08:40, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Works for me. --31dot 10:21, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

And for me; it's a good solution. :) --Defiant 10:49, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Crew Deaths[]

Why is it that nowhere on this page is a total number of the crew members who died swerving under Kirk's command? ToS was infamous for the number of red shirts who died. There HAS to be some listing of on-screen deaths (without revival) on this site. The info isn't on the redshirt page, but of all things it should be listed here! --98.207.30.55 03:44, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

See Starfleet casualties (23rd century) for a nice, illustrated list. The parent page, Starfleet casualties is already prominently pointed to in Redshirt. It doesn't really have much to do with Kirk personally, so it doesn't need to be duplicated here.–Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 03:53, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Kirk secret?[]

In Star Trek V what is the Secret that Kirk will not reveal-even to Spock and McCoy? The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.83.72.154 (talk).

Never said in canon. I don't know if the novelization provides any insight into it, but such an explanation would need to go in the Apocrypha section and could not be in the main article. 31dot 22:40, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Fiver-year mission covered in just three seasons?[]

Moved to Forum:Five year mission in three seasons?.

Movie Separation Request[]

I've noticed more and more people are trying to work the 2009 movie into standardized canon. The problem with this is that nearly everything in the movie directly contradicts not only character behavior, but standardized canon within the Star Trek universe from TOS through to TNG and DS9.
Could we please separate canon whose roots are exclusively in 2009 into separate sections such as what they do with the Marvel Comics wiki? i.e. a subsection called Abrams' Canon?
That way people won't be arguing or throwing fits or trying to delete/recorrect what's being written down? I mean this for all the pages affected by Abrams' re-write.
24.8.50.83 19:12, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

They are already separate. James T. Kirk. For those items that are cited to the movie, it is because they take place before any timeline changes that derived from the film. We view those as "canon". Not "Abrams' canon". -- sulfur (talk) 19:17, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the problem is I'm seeing "canonical entries" into the mainstream portions of this site despite the fact their only citation is from Abrams Canon. That's why I brought it up. Star Trek 2009 shouldn't have any citation in standard ToS canon universe, not while even Paramount considers it to be a wholly unique and separate timeline. 24.8.50.83 20:06, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Things like the names of Kirk's parents, and info from the prime reality, such as the fact that George Kirk proudly lived to see James take command of the Enterprise, are perfectly acceptable. To what other facts are you referring that would not be applicable for the prime reality? -Angry Future Romulan 20:08, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
They consider it a separate timeline as of Nero's arrival in it. Everything before that? Non-contradictory thus far. -- sulfur (talk) 20:19, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Kirks Name Origin[]

I noticed that under the origin of Kirk's name it uses what was said in the new J.J. Abrams movie of it coming from Kirks two grandfathers, although, if you are trying to keep true to the cannon, Gene Roddenberry's story, that is incorrect. I recently picked up Star Trek: The Motion Picture (novel) from my bookstore and on the fifth page in the beginning of Admiral Kirks preface he says;

"I received James because it was both the name of my father's beloved brother as well as that of my mother's first love instructor. Tiberius, as I am forever tired of explaining, was the Roman emperor whose life for some unfathomable reason fascinated my grandfather, Samuel."

There are lots of little differences in the J.J. Abrams story than in the cannon and I just thought I should throw this little bit out there. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.232.129.175 (talk • contribs).

The novels are not canon. --Alientraveller (talk) 06:21, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

Removed[]

Gary Mitchell's recollections of Kirk at the Academy, from "Where No Man Has Gone Before", can be interpreted differently. One view is that Kirk was an instructor (or student instructor) and Mitchell one of his students. Another interpretation has Kirk as a classmate of Mitchell's, a bookworm who proved difficult to keep up with in class. Yet another interpretation has them both serving as Academy instructors, with Kirk being especially hard on his students. Dialogue from the episode does little to make it clear which is the case. The "little blonde lab technician" mentioned by Mitchell is often thought by some to be a reference to Carol Marcus; however, though it could just as easily be a reference to Janet Wallace or Ruth or some other woman with whom Kirk was involved. The chronology of Kirk's latter days in Starfleet Academy (entry date of 2250), and service aboard the USS Republic and USS Farragut, is somewhat muddled. In "Court Martial", Kirk discussed meeting Ben Finney at the Academy, and that they were assigned together aboard the Republic, "some years later". According to many sources, including the Star Trek Chronology, Ensign Kirk's tour-of-duty aboard the Republic took place while Kirk was still an Academy cadet. In "Where No Man Has Gone Before", Gary Mitchell refers to Kirk a lieutenant while serving in the Academy, but it is not clear if this means a midshipman or a commissioned lieutenant.

One explanation of Kirk's problematic promotion history is that he received a brevet rank of ensign while at the Academy, and that his tour-of-duty aboard the Republic took place prior to his graduation as an advanced training cruise. Kirk would then have returned to the Academy, received a promotion to Lieuenant (or possibly Lieutenant junior grade), and served as a student instructor thereby fitting with Mitchell's statement that he remembered "Lieutenant Kirk at the Academy". It then would fit that Kirk would be commissioned from the Academy as a full Lieutenant in 2254 to serve under Captain Garrovick "from the day he left the Academy". However, dialog from episodes neither supports nor refutes this conclusion.

Kirk's days as a lieutenant commander and a commander are likewise vague since there has been virtually nothing discussed in canon regarding this stage of Kirk's career. That Kirk even held these ranks is unknown, with the possibility existing that Kirk was promoted directly to captain from the rank of lieutenant. Non-canon literature has touched on this subject somewhat, with explanations ranging from Lieutenant Commander Kirk serving as a first officer up to Commander Kirk serving as the "officer-in-charge" of the Enterprise refit project prior to his taking command.

In "Obsession", Kirk stated that Captain Garrovick of the Farragut was "my commanding officer from the day I left the Academy". In "A Private Little War" (taking place in 2268), he mentioned his first planet survey as young lieutenant on Neural thirteen years prior (in 2255) – leading many to believe that Kirk had graduated and was serving aboard the Farragut at the time. Many have speculated and have accepted the date of March 22 to be Kirk's birthday, as it was also the birthday of William Shatner, the actor who portrayed Kirk. However, this date had not been mentioned on-screen (except in the Starfleet Historical records featured in ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II"). His hometown of Riverside, Iowa was also never fully canonically established on screen, although Star Trek mentioned the Riverside Shipyard.

In "Shore Leave", it is established that fifteen years before 2267, which would be 2252, that Kirk was a plebe. A plebe is a freshman in a military academy, so Kirk began his training in 2252. During his time at the Academy, he was promoted to ensign between 2252 and 2255, when he was a lieutenant. We know from later Trek that cadets (Sisko, Picard) were sent on missions during their time at the Academy, so Kirk visiting Neural was not out of the normal. In 2257, Kirk graduated from the academy and was assigned as a phaser specialist to the Farragut. Officers at this time spent five years at the Academy, like Kirk and Merik. (Merik would have been a Starfleet officer, if he hadn't failed a psycho-stimulant test, which resulted in his being dropped from the Academy.)

Why a specialist? This is me tieing what is said in one episode with what is said in earlier episodes. In "Balance of Terror" and "The Corbomite Maneuver", we see or hear phaser gun crews working at phaser stations. These crews were composed of phaser specialists. Lt. Kirk was assigned to a phaser station, which means he was part of a phaser gun crew.

This is the dialogue from "Where No Man Has Gone Before" -

Mitchell: Well, I'm getting a chance to read some of that longhair stuff you like. Hey man, I remember you back at the academy. A stack of books with legs. The first thing I ever heard from upperclassmen was, Watch out for Lieutenant Kirk. In his class, you either think or sink.
Kirk: I wasn't that bad, was I?
Mitchell" If I hadn't aimed that little blonde lab technician at you.
Kirk: You what? You planned that?
Mitchell: Well, you wanted me to think, didn't you? I outlined her whole campaign for her.
Kirk: I almost married her!

There is a word association with think in this dialogue. Kirk wanted his students to think and Mitchell responded by thinking of a way to distract his instructor. The only question is, when did this happen? I can tie it to the late 2250s.

In "A Private Little War", Kirk visited Neural thirteen years before 2268, which is 2255. He described himself as a brash young Lieutenant Kirk on his first planet survey. He was a commissioned lieutenant, while being at the Academy. So, he was promoted to ensign before his mission to Neural, spent time as an ensign, and was promoted to lieutenant. He was promoted two ranks while at the Academy.

In "Obsession", Lt. Kirk gets his first deep-space assignment eleven years before 2268, which is 2257, on the Farragut. So, he didn't go to Neural while on aboard the Farragut. He got to know the captain, who he knew from the day he left the Academy, before the Tycho IV incident.

As for not knowing what happened after 2257, other than the romantic relationships, it is not surprising. Many of the primary characters have gaps in their history, like Picard who we know commanded a ship before the Enterprise-D. Of this command, we know little.

My point is this, I don't see the ambiguities. What I see is a misreading of the evidence. I have cleaned the page, so that it better reflects what is said in the canon.Lakenheath72 (talk) 01:16, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Spurious quote[]

Does MA have a place where this spurious quote is written about? If not, should it be mentioned here? --LauraCC (talk) 14:24, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

That link doesn't work for me, but I can see it's snopes, so assuming it's some urban legend or widely known but false factoid, maybe Star Trek parodies and pop culture references? -- Capricorn (talk) 15:30, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Search "James T Kirk" in the search bar. It's the first result. --LauraCC (talk) 15:43, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Link fixed. But no. It's a spurious claim that's not true, so why would it have any reason to be here? -- sulfur (talk) 15:52, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

As Kirk trivia.--LauraCC (talk) 15:55, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

It's not trivia. It's false. If it were true, then maybe. -- sulfur (talk) 15:58, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
The bit of trivia would be that a false quote about Kirk circulates, not that Kirk said something. By the same reasoning this might also be relevant to the pop culture references page. The question is, how widely spread and therefore notable is this thing? I certainly never heard the quote. When I google it my first result is snopes (bad sign), but I also see it on quote sites and several books on magagement and communications. The latter fact makes this relevant to Star Trek parodies and pop culture references (literature) at the very least. -- Capricorn (talk) 16:37, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I did mean Kirk the character, not Kirk the "real" person. I never heard about it either until I searched the site one a whim for star trek references. --LauraCC (talk) 16:39, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I have never heard of it either and don't believe it should be included. As sulfur states, if it were true, then maybe it could be included. But there's not really anything to include as it stands. --| TrekFan Open a channel 20:23, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Removed notes[]

I've removed the following notes, as none of them even mention Kirk at all, so they're all too irrelevant:

"On stardate 5725.3, the Enterprise encountered a community of non-corporeal energy beings embodying the souls of the last hundred Zetarians. Seeking lifeforms that would allow them to live again, they killed the custodians of Memory Alpha, wiping the Federation's central archive of accumulated knowledge. (TOS: "The Lights of Zetar")"

"After the freighter USS Huron was attacked and looted, the starship Enterprise captured an Orion vessel, which had committed the attack. The incident marked the end of Orion's official neutrality. (TAS: "The Pirates of Orion")"

"The Enterprise encountered Kukulkan on stardate 6063.4. The benevolent alien being had periodically visited ancient Earth civilizations and influenced their architecture and agricultural development. Kukulkan revealed that he had visited the Egyptian, Mayan, and Aztec cultures, where he had been worshiped as a god. (TAS: "How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth")"

"Observing the planet Psi 2000 in its death throes of 2266, the Enterprise was endangered after the engines were shut down and she began to fall from orbit. An emergency cold-restart of the engines to escape the planet's gravity threw the ship three days into the past. (TOS: "The Naked Time")" --Defiant (talk) 16:38, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

Unnamed first command ship[]

I really think there is a lot of presumption fueling a lot of assumption so as to come to the conclusion that Kirk had a command prior to the Enterprise, and in reviewing the talk page on this, I'm surprised this hasn't been questioned in the past 4+ years it's been noted on the page. First of all, it was added by a user who's contributions always bordered questionable intent, but moreover, it's a roundabout take on a vague line (from an episode with a laundry list of other continuity flaws/ambiguities) and using it as a fact, rather than adding to the ambiguities of what might be interpreted from:

  • DEHNER: "I know those from your planet aren't suppose to have feelings like we do, Mister Spock, but to talk that way about a man you've worked next to for years is worse than even..."
  • KIRK: "That's enough, Doctor."
  • DEHNER: "I don't think so. I understand you least of all. Gary told me that you've been friends since he joined the service, that you asked for him aboard your first command."

Even if there was another command, which cannot be definitely concluded with what is spoken here, these words can just as well support the Enterprise as that ship, especially coming from a person who just met the crew, at most, hours before this scene, yet spoke like she knew all their backstories stories, and let's not forget spoken during an emotional outburst. I'd hate to see us create a whole new ship based on poorly written/conceived/unsubstantiated dialog. --Alan del Beccio (talk) 03:43, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

Well said. I've therefore removed the claim, "Prior to stardate 1312.4, he was the commander of a ship where he requested that Lieutenant Commander Gary Mitchell be posted. (TOS: "Where No Man Has Gone Before")" as well as the bginfo note, "This previous command isn't named in the Star Trek canon." --Defiant (talk) 08:07, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
In that case, I'll remove this to the unnamed page's talk page . --LauraCC (talk) 16:34, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Birth[]

Where and when did it say in the episodes he was born? The preceding unsigned comment was added by ElectricSupernova (talk • contribs) at 13:35, 11 February 2018‎.

From Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home:
GILLIAN: What about you? Where are you from?
KIRK: Iowa.
From Star Trek V: The Final Frontier:
KIRK: I haven't sung around a campfire since I was a boy in Iowa.
Furthermore, in "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II" there is a graphic which states his date of birth to be March 22nd, 2233. Hope that helps! --| TrekFan Open a channel 13:57, February 11, 2018 (UTC)
Furthermore... all of that is in the article. :) -- sulfur (talk) 14:01, February 11, 2018 (UTC)
I considered writing that in my reply but didn't want to come across as rude! I did find all of the information in the article though. --| TrekFan Open a channel 14:36, February 11, 2018 (UTC)

I know, I just wanted to know where it came from. Thank you. latest?cb=20171024115018 electrictalk 13:53, February 12, 2018 (UTC)ElectricSupernova

No problem! If you ever need to know in future all of our information has the source at the end of the piece of text so we can verify the information. --| TrekFan Open a channel 15:15, February 12, 2018 (UTC)

Removing of non-PC quotes[]

It says "The wit and wisdom of James T. Kirk" not just "The widom of" I don't think a quote from him should be removed because it's not PC. The quote in question IS said by Kirk and verifiable in the in the movie that was linked

Scheuerman2 (talk) 21:55, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

It's in a section marked "Existential Kirk". What about that quote makes it existential? It was removed because it makes no sense being in that section. -- Michael Warren | Talk 22:02, December 4, 2018 (UTC)
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