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Nomination (08 Sept - 22 Sept 2004, Success) Edit

James T. Kirk: Well written and detailed article. --BlueMars 19:57, Sep 8, 2004 (CEST)

  • Definitely support. -- Dan Carlson | Talk 20:57, Sep 8, 2004 (CEST)
  • Supported. Ottens 10:49, 15 Sep 2004 (CEST)

Removal (13 Jan - 05 Mar 2005, Success) Edit

James T. Kirk, for one, the page has an "attention needed" notice. It needs a rewrite, some facts checked, a number of wiki-fixes and some additions made, especially from TOS - which is otherwise seriously overshadowed by Movie references. --Gvsualan 19:07, 13 Jan 2005 (CET)

I agree. For some reason, the {{featured}} message is already missing on that article - and I think it can stay this way. No article that "needs attention" should be "featured". -- Cid Highwind 23:31, 2005 Jan 13 (CET)
According to the log, I evidently removed it. To my knowledge I did it unintentionally, that or I mistook it as improperly belonging there because of the attention needed notice and removed it as an oversight prior to realizing it was legit. I will restore it in the meantime due to the fact that it is, at this point, already considered "featured" it should remain there, as long as it is under debate. --Gvsualan 23:42, 13 Jan 2005 (CET)
Yes, that would be the proper procedure. Thanks. -- Cid Highwind 23:44, 2005 Jan 13 (CET)
I vote we take the FA off for now. Tyrant 19:39, 30 Jan 2005 (CET)Tyrant
The procedure has changed in the meantime, so I removed the message again and suggest to keep this discussion some more days (4-5?) to allow everyone to comment. -- Cid Highwind 22:06, 2005 Jan 30 (CET)

Nomination (24 July - 08 Sept 2006, Success) Edit

James T. Kirk

I'm nominating the large article on James T. Kirk for feature status. It's extensive, well cited, and well illustrated. It's broken down in chronological order and consistent in form and format throughout. It's is definitely deserving of feature status. --Bfgreen 11:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Oppose, if you look at the article history, it is in a state of flux at the moment (and that was before the nomination). In addition, I am not happy with the pictures, particularly the first one in the sidebar. All we can see is a silhouette of some person. It needs to be replaced with one of the great shots of Kirk from Star Trek VI, or something. The information on the movies is very lacking, particularly some of the relationships he had then, with very little on Carol Marcus, and nothing on Martia (who only has one sentence on her, and it is under McCoy), and very little about the events of Star Trek V and VI. I am sure if I read in more detail, I can find more problems. This article is long, but it's not ready, and articles don't just get featured because they are long. --OuroborosCobra talk 16:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, the image in the sidebar of Kirk's silhouette was a nifty little addition, IMO. It was an image of his famous entrance in Star Trek II. The image kinda gave it that "Here he comes... you know who this is!" quality... if that makes sense. But, yeah... whatever. :P (by the way, that new image of Kirk from STVI? Yeah... that's gotta go, lol! Do you have a better image of him from the film? If not, I might be able to find one...) --From Andoria with Love 19:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
  • My opinion of the sidebar is that it should be an image of the character that actually shows the character. As for a better image than what I put up, that was done after spending about 5 minutes trying to find something from Star Trek VI. If you can find a better one, go ahead and upload over mine. --OuroborosCobra talk 20:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - Admittedly, I worked a lot on this article. I think it covers the all the major bases effectively, and I'm pleased to see it nominated. I do wish there was more to say about Carol Marcus' relationship with Kirk, but from canon sources, there just isn't a whole lot of hard data to use. Other subjects not covered in lenghty detail have links to their appropriate articles. --Aurelius Kirk 20:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks good. Seems to cover almost everything (although it could use expansion in some areas). Just because an article is still being worked on now and then doesn't mean it doesn't qualify as a featured article, IMO. --From Andoria with Love 18:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. Well, the article ir pretty good. Revenge 16:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Conditional Support - I did some sp. edits, but otherwise the article seems really good. I would like to see this picture thing figured out before we make it featured though. I know it's traditional to have the "last time we saw them" pic at the top, but why not just have a '60s promotional image of him at the top? It's the first thing people think of about Captain Kirk anyway. (Maybe the one with the PADD, but I'd like to see that replaced.) We do do it sometimes, ie: Uhura.
Also: if we can replace any images of "peoples heads" with images of them with Captain Kirk, that'd improve the article a bit. IE: Janice Rand and Rayna is a persons head, where as the Edith Keeler image is a great example of him actually being involved with said person. And the "2266 and 2267" years have just peoples heads, can't we involve Kirk in'm ala 2268? - AJ Halliwell 16:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - The article is impressingly comprehensive. The objections are insubstantial and/or subjective. -Skon 22:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry Skon, but you are not yet eligeable to vote here. Per Memory Alpha:Featured article policies#Voting for nominations, you need to have been both registered for at least two weeks (you've only been making edits for 4 days), and have made at least 20 significant contributions to Memory Alpha. --OuroborosCobra talk 00:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Ok! Would be nice if there were an automated notification for that. That would save a lot of work.-Skon 00:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I am changing to support in recognition of all that is here. I still think the areas I outlined above need work, but I am willing to see that done after FA status, as they are relatively minor. --OuroborosCobra talk 00:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. As Skon said above, the article is incredibly comprehensive. It is well-organized, well-referenced and has a plethora of links to complementary articles. I'd like to see the few red links (gang, rehabilitation colony and Jon Povill resolved to a page or removed, but that's just a personal preference. -Dave -TheBluesMan 01:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Featured: 8 Yays, 0 Nays --Alan del Beccio 04:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Reconfirmation (08 May - 23 May 2012, Failed) Edit

Featured articles simply shouldn't require citation as long as this one has. There's also issues with notes on the Enterprise-A being renamed (something that isn't clear as far as I remember), info missing in the background section even though there are links from other sections of the article (namely the link from Kirk's 2281 retirement, and these links could be improved with divs if they all need to be in the bg section at the end of the article), amongst other, more minor issues. I think this article needs be looked at with a critical eye before being reconfirmed, and that five votes are called for here. - Archduk3 22:17, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

  • Oppose. - Archduk3 22:17, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose; an article on one of the primary characters in all of Star Trek should be one of our best, and this one is not there yet. 31dot 22:58, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Removed Edit

Gary Mitchell's recollections of Kirk at the Academy, from "Where No Man Has Gone Before", can be interpreted differently. One view is that Kirk was an instructor (or student instructor) and Mitchell one of his students. Another interpretation has Kirk as a classmate of Mitchell's, a bookworm who proved difficult to keep up with in class. Yet another interpretation has them both serving as Academy instructors, with Kirk being especially hard on his students. Dialogue from the episode does little to make it clear which is the case. The "little blonde lab technician" mentioned by Mitchell is often thought by some to be a reference to Carol Marcus; however, though it could just as easily be a reference to Janet Wallace or Ruth or some other woman with whom Kirk was involved. The chronology of Kirk's latter days in Starfleet Academy (entry date of 2250), and service aboard the USS Republic and USS Farragut, is somewhat muddled. In "Court Martial", Kirk discussed meeting Ben Finney at the Academy, and that they were assigned together aboard the Republic, "some years later". According to many sources, including the Star Trek Chronology, Ensign Kirk's tour-of-duty aboard the Republic took place while Kirk was still an Academy cadet. In "Where No Man Has Gone Before", Gary Mitchell refers to Kirk a lieutenant while serving in the Academy, but it is not clear if this means a midshipman or a commissioned lieutenant.

One explanation of Kirk's problematic promotion history is that he received a brevet rank of ensign while at the Academy, and that his tour-of-duty aboard the Republic took place prior to his graduation as an advanced training cruise. Kirk would then have returned to the Academy, received a promotion to Lieuenant (or possibly Lieutenant Junior Grade), and served as a student instructor thereby fitting with Mitchell's statement that he remembered "Lieutenant Kirk at the Academy". It then would fit that Kirk would be commissioned from the Academy as a full Lieutenant in 2254 to serve under Captain Garrovick "from the day he left the Academy". However, dialog from episodes neither supports nor refutes this conclusion.

Kirk's days as a lieutenant commander and a commander are likewise vague since there has been virtually nothing discussed in canon regarding this stage of Kirk's career. That Kirk even held these ranks is unknown, with the possibility existing that Kirk was promoted directly to captain from the rank of lieutenant. Non-canon literature has touched on this subject somewhat, with explanations ranging from Lieutenant Commander Kirk serving as a first officer up to Commander Kirk serving as the "officer-in-charge" of the Enterprise refit project prior to his taking command.

In "Obsession", Kirk stated that Captain Garrovick of the Farragut was "my commanding officer from the day I left the Academy". In "A Private Little War" (taking place in 2268), he mentioned his first planet survey as young lieutenant on Neural thirteen years prior (in 2255) – leading many to believe that Kirk had graduated and was serving aboard the Farragut at the time. Many have speculated and have accepted the date of March 22 to be Kirk's birthday, as it was also the birthday of William Shatner, the actor who portrayed Kirk. However, this date had not been mentioned on-screen (except in the Starfleet Historical records featured in ENT: "In a Mirror, Darkly, Part II"). His hometown of Riverside, Iowa was also never fully canonically established on screen, although Star Trek mentioned the Riverside Shipyard.

In "Shore Leave", it is established that fifteen years before 2267, which would be 2252, that Kirk was a plebe. A plebe is a freshman in a military academy, so Kirk began his training in 2252. During his time at the Academy, he was promoted to ensign between 2252 and 2255, when he was a lieutenant. We know from later Trek that cadets (Sisko, Picard) were sent on missions during their time at the Academy, so Kirk visiting Neural was not out of the normal. In 2257, Kirk graduated from the academy and was assigned as a phaser specialist to the Farragut. Officers at this time spent five years at the Academy, like Kirk and Merik. (Merik would have been a Starfleet officer, if he hadn't failed a psycho-stimulant test, which resulted in his being dropped from the Academy.)

Why a specialist? This is me tieing what is said in one episode with what is said in earlier episodes. In "Balance of Terror" and "The Corbomite Maneuver", we see or hear phaser gun crews working at phaser stations. These crews were composed of phaser specialists. Lt. Kirk was assigned to a phaser station, which means he was part of a phaser gun crew.

This is the dialogue from "Where No Man Has Gone Before" -

Mitchell: Well, I'm getting a chance to read some of that longhair stuff you like. Hey man, I remember you back at the academy. A stack of books with legs. The first thing I ever heard from upperclassmen was, Watch out for Lieutenant Kirk. In his class, you either think or sink.
Kirk: I wasn't that bad, was I?
Mitchell" If I hadn't aimed that little blonde lab technician at you.
Kirk: You what? You planned that?
Mitchell: Well, you wanted me to think, didn't you? I outlined her whole campaign for her.
Kirk: I almost married her!

There is a word association with think in this dialogue. Kirk wanted his students to think and Mitchell responded by thinking of a way to distract his instructor. The only question is, when did this happen? I can tie it to the late 2250s.

In "A Private Little War", Kirk visited Neural thirteen years before 2268, which is 2255. He described himself as a brash young Lieutenant Kirk on his first planet survey. He was a commissioned lieutenant, while being at the Academy. So, he was promoted to ensign before his mission to Neural, spent time as an ensign, and was promoted to lieutenant. He was promoted two ranks while at the Academy.

In "Obsession", Lt. Kirk gets his first deep-space assignment eleven years before 2268, which is 2257, on the Farragut. So, he didn't go to Neural while on aboard the Farragut. He got to know the captain, who he knew from the day he left the Academy, before the Tycho IV incident.

As for not knowing what happened after 2257, other than the romantic relationships, it is not surprising. Many of the primary characters have gaps in their history, like Picard who we know commanded a ship before the Enterprise-D. Of this command, we know little.

My point is this, I don't see the ambiguities. What I see is a misreading of the evidence. I have cleaned the page, so that it better reflects what is said in the canon.Lakenheath72 (talk) 01:16, March 12, 2015 (UTC)

Spurious quote Edit

Does MA have a place where this spurious quote is written about? If not, should it be mentioned here? --LauraCC (talk) 14:24, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

That link doesn't work for me, but I can see it's snopes, so assuming it's some urban legend or widely known but false factoid, maybe Star Trek parodies and pop culture references? -- Capricorn (talk) 15:30, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Search "James T Kirk" in the search bar. It's the first result. --LauraCC (talk) 15:43, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Link fixed. But no. It's a spurious claim that's not true, so why would it have any reason to be here? -- sulfur (talk) 15:52, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

As Kirk trivia.--LauraCC (talk) 15:55, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

It's not trivia. It's false. If it were true, then maybe. -- sulfur (talk) 15:58, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
The bit of trivia would be that a false quote about Kirk circulates, not that Kirk said something. By the same reasoning this might also be relevant to the pop culture references page. The question is, how widely spread and therefore notable is this thing? I certainly never heard the quote. When I google it my first result is snopes (bad sign), but I also see it on quote sites and several books on magagement and communications. The latter fact makes this relevant to Star Trek parodies and pop culture references (literature) at the very least. -- Capricorn (talk) 16:37, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I did mean Kirk the character, not Kirk the "real" person. I never heard about it either until I searched the site one a whim for star trek references. --LauraCC (talk) 16:39, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I have never heard of it either and don't believe it should be included. As sulfur states, if it were true, then maybe it could be included. But there's not really anything to include as it stands. --| TrekFan Open a channel 20:23, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

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