Talk:George Kirk

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Why is this article referencing Film 11, saying he served on board the Kelvin with his wife in tow who gave birth to their son? I thought the original James T. Kirk was born in Iowa on Earth and not on the Kelvin in space. I removed the info. If we are talking about the original George Kirk, we cant use the info from the new movie - especially since it obviously contradicts what we know about James T. Kirk's (prime) father. – Distantlycharmed 09:49, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

So, what exactly do we know about Kirk's father that this article contradicts? What has been depicted in Star Trek is a singular event that led to two different timelines branching off. Obviously, if the two timelines are branches, there needs to be a common trunk before that event. If George Kirk served on the Kelvin during that event, it is equally obvious that he was serving on the Kelvin 5 minutes before the event, and, because of this, also in the other timeline branch. The previous page version was not in error, and should not have been changed. Please revert, or someone else will do later. -- Cid Highwind 10:54, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Similarly, your recent edits to Winona Kirk and James T. Kirk (and I don't know what else) will need to be reverted as well. -- Cid Highwind 10:56, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I reverted this article. If there is "contradictory" information it can be discussed, but since the timeline did not branch off until the Narada arrived, George Kirk clearly looked like he did afterwards and so forth.--31dot 10:59, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

The article states:

"James Kirk often spoke of his father, crediting George with providing him with the inspiration to join Starfleet. George lived at least long enough to see his son become captain of the USS Enterprise in 2265. (Star Trek)"

--> How did in movie 11 James Kirk speak of his father and say he inspired him to join Starfleet? And where does it say in film 11 that his father lived to see Kirk captain the Enterprise?? HE DIED. The reference is wrong. – Distantlycharmed 12:07, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

No, your interpretation of the note/memory of the movie is wrong. That is talking about Prime Universe James Kirk and George Kirk. I believe it was Prime Spock who told those things to Alternate James Kirk while in that ice cave. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 12:13, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Didnt Kirk prime say that about his father though in a TOS episode and/or movie anyway? Like how he inspired him? Is this the first time we are hearing this? Anyway, the sentence could use some clarification, like "Kirk told Spock that his father had always been an inspiration for him to join Starfleet..." – Distantlycharmed 12:32, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

No, he didn't. Kirk's parents were never mentioned in TOS, only his brother in "Operation -- Annihilate!" There was never any canonical references to his parents before this film, everything that the writers had on them, either they made up or they got from the books, including the character's names. leandar 14:46, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

Get It Right

Okay, if the photo your using is from the alternate reality... then why are you using it for the prime reality? That's wrong. Your site is flawed. So... as I said before... Get. It. Right. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.99.184.

I'd have to watch the movie again, but I think the picture is from before the timeline split, but even if it was not, he would still look the same, so there is no issue.--31dot 01:43, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Um... yeah, there is. They were made more than two years apart there, genius. Different people (acotrs) same name... get it right. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.99.184.

Two years? Try two minutes. What different actors? --OuroborosCobra ^talk 01:41, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

DNFTT. - Archduk3 02:32, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, Archduk3, whatever your name is and everyone else who thinks this is right... I'm talking TOS to the 2009 Star Trek movie, and yes there is a difference and yes it does matter and no the person who plays George Kirk in the 2009 Star Trek movie didn't and couldn't have played him in the TOS. Again: GET IT RIGHT!– The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.156.99.184.

Sign your posts, please. If you are referring to George Samuel Kirk, that is not the same character as this person. --31dot 00:38, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

No, I mean Kirk's dad.

Anonymous, if i were you, I would stop rationalizing with some of the folks here the logic about George Kirk's article or anything pertaining to prime and alternate reality created by the lame new movie. Just dont do it. Nothing will be changed and no one will listen to you. Thank you and please do sign your posts. Distantlycharmed 17:27, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Haha well said, DC. -- TrekFan ^{Open a channel} 18:06, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

So, your site is based on unknown? 'Cause... he so did not play George Kirk. So, you don't use an AR photo of a PR person.

Anon, the initial events of the movie took place in the reality we all know and love. Anything up until the point the Narada came through the black hole is acceptable as being in the normal timeline so that's why the image is used. Plus, can you sign your posts? --- TrekFan ^{Open a channel} 21:13, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, if Nero came back in time, he changed to course of time, making an Alternate Reality. Okay? Jim is played by William Shatner, not Chris Pine. In the new movie, yes, but not the Jim I knew all my life. 69.156.99.184 21:27, January 26, 2011 (UTC) Happy?

Regardless of which actor played the character, the character itself appeared. A character could be played by 10 different actors in 10 different episodes in the same timeline but it would still be the same character and therefore have it's own page. (And yes, that's better). -- TrekFan ^{Open a channel} 21:36, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but does Kate Mulgrew play Annika, too? No, she doesn't. So... big idea: George Kirk (PR) and George Kirk (AR) are played by different people. 69.156.99.184 21:38, January 26, 2011 (UTC)