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Whoever created this article, as well as Carbon Creek and T'Mir The term "second foremother" means "great-grandmother", not "great-great-grandmother as this article originally stated. First, T'Pol clearly states in the episode Carbon Creek that her "second foremother" means her "mother's mother's mother", which is clearly her great-grandmother. Second, Trip says "great-grandmother" later in the episode when referring to T'Mir. Third, this is also stated in the episode summary for Carbon Creek at StarTrek.com.

I have corrected this article and adjusted all the "foremothers" to "second foremothers", etc.

Furthermore, do we really need the list of non-Vulcan foremothers and forefathers, considering only the Vulcans seem to use this term and everyone else seems to use grandmother and grandmother?

Dcorder 06:30, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

somewhat in the same vein as the previous remark; I'm ok with the remark that there may exist something like a "forefather", but given the speculatory nature of that title, giving examples of forefathers really stretches it imo. -- Capricorn 01:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

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