While we find a very plausible interpretation of the book title here, I am wondering about the sources for it.--Skon 01:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Um... what? It was specifically called Ethics, Sophistry and the Alternate Universe in "Captain's Holiday"... I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you wondering how the writers translated the text? If that's the case... I have no idea. :P --From Andoria with Love 03:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the issue is that nobody on screen ever said what the book was about. Still, the summary here sounds like it would make an interesting read. Exolinguist 03:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Exactly what I meant. Only the title was mentioned in 'Captain's Holiday', but nothing about the content. As I said, I find the conjectured content quite plausible in view of the title. (Such issues have also been discussed in real-world philosophy.) But the book could also be an anthology of essays by Ving Kuda on three separate subjects, couldn't it? Or something completely different. --Skon 12:38, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, I see what you're saying. Good point. Hmm... I dunno. If it's a real book, then a short real-world description of its contents is fine (some minor real-world details about real-world subjects not revealed in canon are allowed, as per discussions on certain real-life presidents). However, if it's a fictional book, then the whole description should probably be removed. --From Andoria with Love 16:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know that's not a real book and Ving Kuda is not a real philosopher. I agree that the stuff should be removed soon. (Except for book title and author, of course.) No comment has come from the original contributor thus far, so I think I'll wait until tomorrow and then delete the parts which appear to be fan fiction.

In case anyone wants to know: In the real-world the subject of ethics and alternate universes was discussed by US philosophers Robert Adams and David Lewis in the 70s and 80s.--Skon 19:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Here we go Edit

Well, we 've been discussing it above. I was so bold to remove the warning box because:

  • Book title and author were named in the episode
  • Riker commented that the book wasn't light reading in the episode
  • We could see that it was a voluminous book in the episode
  • Even if it was not said that the book was about philosophy, that is evident from the title.

--Skon 09:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Where do the references come from? Edit

I don't believe it was ever mentioned in the episode that this book had anything to do with either Kirk or the mirror universe. I believe that episode was the only mention. If none of this new material is canon, it should be removed. 31dot 19:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It's entirely possibly the writers were having a little fun here. 'Ving Kuda' could be a reference to guitarists Ry Cooder and Lee Ving, who collaborated on a song called 'The Last Stand' for a movie about a Vietnam War veteran called 'Alamo Bay' in 1985. 09:19, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

We would need a citation of that to put such a claim in this article. 31dot (talk) 12:26, April 19, 2015 (UTC)