Origins and history Edit

For articles related to Vulcan and Romulan history, I'd like some help clarifying this article. I don't have the episodes "Gambit, Part I" and II handy, but according to the script I found, these are the only references to the Debrune, in part 1:

  • DATA (in reference to Barradas III: The planet was an outpost of the Debrune approximately two thousand years ago.
  • DATA (later): These structures were built by the Debrune. That race was an ancient offshoot of the Romulans. And the ruins on the planet where Captain Picard was killed were also Romulan in origin.

This article refers to the Debrune as offshoots of the Vulcans rather than the Romulans -- accurate in a sense, but misleading, unless the episode differs from the script. Could someone with a copy of Gambit check this out and confirm the accuracy of this article? --Aurelius Kirk 12:38, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

It would seem to imply that all those Vulcans who left Vulcan were referred to as Romulans, and the Debrune splintered from the spinter group early in the game, (likely) even before Romulus was established. --Alan del Beccio 12:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I also think that's what the script implies, but I'd like to have the spoken dialogue confirmed before I make any changes to Vulcan/Romulan articles. The interesting thing here is the "approximately two thousand years ago" line - meaning relatively concurrent with Surak, Global War, Time of Awakening and 42, Vulcan spacefarers were already out (when did they get warp anyway?) founding new civilizations. The link between Romulans and rejection of Surak might be as thin as "those who marched beneath the raptor's wings" and nothing else. Those who became the Romulans might have left on their journey long before. --Aurelius Kirk 13:25, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure when the Vulcans/Romulans acquired warp drive. Obviously they had it by the 20th century, that much is "canon". The only reference I can find regarding Vulcan warp drive was in "First Flight", where it was stated that "Just because it took [the Vulcans] a hundred years to crack warp two doesn't mean it'll take [Humans] that long," it just wasn't indicated "when".
"Unification II" seems to imply that the Vulcan and Romulus aren't terribly far apart if the Romulan invasion fleet was heading there at warp 1, and the Vulcans were already scrambling defense ships by the time the fleet crossed the Neutral Zone. Then again, we know Vulcan is also 16 lightyears from Earth, yet there have been numerous references indicating that the messages received while at the Zone had a notable time delay, which seems to indicate a greater distance. --Alan del Beccio 13:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)