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Song reference? Edit
User Vedek Dukat added "Here's to the Losers" to the references section of this article back in 2005, but I just watched the episode, and cannot recall the song or any of the lyrics being mentioned. My searches through the script turned up nothing that I could find either. Am I missing something? -Rhinecanthus rectangulus 15:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Coming to this a little late, but... I didn't notice the song either. And the song's page doesn't make a reference to the episode either. So, away it goes. ---- Willie LLAP 19:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Only non-appearance of DS9? Edit
- You're right, it did not appear in either episode. Though I think that's it's only real list of non-appearances. I don't remember if it didn't appear in "Paradise Lost", but I'm sure it did. --Nmajmani 15:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
- My apologies then. I made the edit because rewatching the episode recently reminded me of Gary Holland's blog wherein he told the story of pitching this episode and commented that it was the only episode of DS9 that did not feature any scenes aboard DS9. 220.127.116.11 05:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
- In Paradise Lost, the appearance of DS9 can only be seen during Sisko's communication to Kira using the com channel. The camera didn't even pan the station. The station remains in the bakground but is not a backdraft since there was 1 person moving behind Kira (blurred). 18.104.22.168 16:48, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
Adultery in the House of Mogh? Edit
I'm surprised no one has yet noticed this, but does anyone find it interesting that none of the Trill descendants have any overtly Klingon traits, and that none of the Klingons have spots? Now before you all remind me that this episode takes place well before "You Are Cordially Invited", and they may not have gotten married in the alternate timeline, I'd like to point out that Yedrin explicitly tells Jadzia about the wedding, saying that Worf is a good man, and that she will learn to handle him. This sounds to me like an implication that they had a long and happy marriage, which begs the question; Shouldn't the Klingons and the Trills have been one and the same? If you want to say that maybe there are other Trills on board the Defiant, fine, but at least SOME of the Trills should have had ridges, and Yedrin himself should have as well, as he explicitly states that the symbiont has been passed down to Jadzia's descendants for three generations. You also can't claim that maybe there were other Klingons on board the Defiant, given that Worf is the only Klingon in Starfleet. So... Adultery in the House of Mogh? Or just something pretty huge that the writers overlooked? — DeFender1031*Talk 06:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Though this isn't the place for this...simply speaking, we don't know how the genetic traits are passed between the two races to their children. While adultery is a large claim I would say that with a small crew having multiple husbands/wives would probably not be uncommon and has happened before in star trek. TNG: "Up The Long Ladder" comes to mind and the paradise episode from DS9... — Morder 06:14, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Talk pages are for discussion issues with the article or changes to be made in the article rather than talking about the show and "mistakes" possibly made by the writers. A BBS type forum like http://trekbbs.com is more suited to your question :) — Morder 06:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
- Do not change the indents, they are they way they are for a reason. Please read Help:Talk pages if you need help with formatting this page. It doesn't matter if it's true in the sense of star trek because, 1. There's no way to verify it, 2. Anything you say to "prove" it is, is speculation, which we don't allow...so no, we shouldn't note speculation. — Morder 06:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
When the future-odo links with the present Odo and that one states, that he knows everything that has happened, wouldn't it also be logic that he got the future-Odos abilities? So as I see it, from this point on Odo should be able to look more human, but he doesn't. How so? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk).
- Not sure, and any answer would be speculation.--31dot 20:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
- Not it the colony's bashir found a cure fot the virus.
Gaian Settlement Edit
Was it mentioned in episode that all 8'000 inhabitants of Gaia lived in one settlement (the one seen in the picture on the Gaia page) or was there several settlements ? 126.96.36.199 11:03, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
- Kira (I think) when they first make orbit says that "There are several settlements on the southern continent" So I'd guess not all of them live in the one place. Unless she is seeing the main settlement and several camps used by the Klingons, but it seems that there is more than one settlement. Perhaps why it takes a while for Odo to turn up.Lt.Lovett (talk) 16:17, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
Odo's health status Edit
Should we add a note to the trivia section to remind people that at this point Odo is free of the Section 31 virus? As I understand it he was infected during Paradise Lost (episode) then cured by being made solid in Broken Link before being reinfected by linking with the Female Changeling in Behind the Lines so at this point Odo is healthy and hence apart from the seelische Qual he is fine. Lt.Lovett (talk) 11:39, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think it was specifically said that he was free, was it? He could have carried the virus even though he was solid (He still had morphogenic enzymes as mentioned in "Things Past"). 31dot (talk) 11:45, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
I'm going by this from the page for When It Rains...:"Odo begins to exhibit symptoms of the morphogenic virus in this episode, and Bashir determines that he was infected "over three years ago," during his time on Earth in the episodes "Homefront" and "Paradise Lost". Odo subsequently infected the Great Link in the fourth season finale "Broken Link". Presumably, he was also 'cured' of the virus in that episode when he was made a solid, and he was subsequently re-infected by the Female Changeling in the sixth season episode "Behind the Lines"."
Although I'm sure that it was confirmed from one of the writers in something I've read on here. If that is true it would mean that Odo is healthy and able to live 200+ years hereLt.Lovett (talk) 12:20, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
- By what you quoted, he was 'presumably' cured; it wasn't specifically stated. Maybe something about the planet kept Odo alive for 200 years. If there are comments from the writers on this they should go with that passage you quoted as a citation. 31dot (talk) 14:09, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
I think it is one of those things that make this episode fare worse than "Threshold" at least there was some science behind Paris and Janeway's mutation. There are just too many plot holes in this. Lt.Lovett (talk) 14:18, March 22, 2014 (UTC)