Talk: Andorian

Votes for featured article

Andorian - complete and comprehensive. 'Nuff said. --Gvsualan 00:36, 14 Apr 2005 (EDT)
- I dont think there's anything more to be added. Ottens 08:49, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)
- Support - the background information is very comprehensive. zsingaya 15:15, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Support - One of the best species pages I've come across. AJHalliwell 15:24, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- ~~DS9 references need to be completed.~~ Tyrant 15:21, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)Tyrant
  - Mind clarifying what specifically? --Gvsualan 18:23, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    - "Several other DS9 episodes" needs to be clarified. Episodes need to be listed for the sake of listing in the references section, plus I'm a little worried that if we don't know the episodes we could be missing information. I'm not against it being featured, but I would like to see the page finished. Tyrant 18:34, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)Tyrant
      - I've added all the missing ones that mentions anything andorian. so that should clear that objection up. --Dalen 19:42, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  - The page is finished in terms of what should be found there. Nothing from the "several other" has anything to do with what should be included in this article. Those episodes refer to everything mentioned |Society//See Also| and various Andorian animals on the Andoria page. --Gvsualan 06:54, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    - I still don't think this deserves to be given any objections. --Gvsualan 13:52, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      - Support The page has been completed since my objection. Nice work Dalen. Tyrant 14:06, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)Tyrant
- Support - I support it. Basically only minor polishing and stuff from upcoming episodes remain to be added. --Dalen 16:06, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

High temperature susceptibility

Andorians are very susceptible to high temperatures, an Andorian can lose 10% of its body weight in as little as two days in climates approaching the boiling point of water.

I haven't seen the episode in question, and I don't doubt it's true that Andorians are susceptible, but the wording of the sentence seems weird to me. The boiling point of water is 212° F or 100° C—even at temperatures in the 90s and 100s (° F) humans have dehydration-related problems, and certainly would not survive at temperatures approaching 200° F. Knowledge Seeker 05:38, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree it's a bit odd wording. But it's basically the wording Shran uses when he says it. --Dalen 19:45, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- It is basically word-for-word how he said it, but it deserves re-wording here cause that is awkwardly phrased. - AJHalliwell 07:11, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

- - Agree, In fact, if the andorians only lose 10% of their weight after two days at 100°c, they are extraordinary resistant to high temperatures, since such 100°c would kill a human in a matter of minutes. Unless of course the atmospheric pressure on Andor in much lower than on Earth, then the boiling point of water is lower too. --rami

yeah, i'm going to weigh in on this to. it sounds to me like they are not all that susceptible to high or low temps by humanoid standards.

Four Genders

"Andorian weddings are known to usually require groups of four people. This is due to their unusual physiology that has four sexes, each equal to the other and required for producing children. Two of these sexes can be considered 'male' and two 'female'. For a long time Andorians were unable to reverse the effects of inbreeding that this four sex method caused, something which was not previously found on their Homeworld. However, recently there have been discoveries of four-sexed animals on their world, aiding research which might provide the answer to their genetic problem."

This all comes from DS9 books. It is not cannon and has never even been hinted at on an episode or movie. The reference at the end of the paragraph is misleading as it implies that it was said in either ENT or TNG.

Indeed, alot of that is speculation and should be removed. What four-sexed animal is this even talking about? What genetic problem? Novel-non-canon indeed. - AJHalliwell 07:11, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

This stuff has apparently been moved to the Apocrypha section where it belongs, but shouldn't there be a note about how the idea was clearly contradicted in ENT? 71.236.33.191 03:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

The idea of Andorians having four sexes has not been contradicted in the slightest by ENT since the novels establish that two of the sexes look like males and two look like females.

Green Andorians

What evidence do we have that it is the reproduction between Andorians and Aenar that produces the green Andorians? I don't recall any line like that in the TATV episode and it sounds like speculation. It seems far more likely that its a case of racial speciation very similar to Africans/Asians on Earth or the speciation Tuvok shows re: Vulcans. Logan 5 02:38, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Shran and Jhamel's daughter Talla, an Andorian/Aenar hybrid, was shown to have greenish-blue skin. 71.236.33.191 03:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I heared that all andorian children are green and become blue later... ~ Trent_Easton ~ ^talk

Not to bring up old conversations, but watching TAS: "Yesteryear" with the text commentary on, Denise and Michael Okuda suggest that "It may be that Andorians have different ethnic groups, with different skin cololrs just like humans. After all, in ENT: "The Aenar", we saw that some Andorians have white skin." What is the canonicity of these commentaries? Are they acceptable as background notes? --Topher208 18:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Including that note as background information is fine, but it cannot be added to the main part of the article since the theory has not been directly supported by canon. --From Andoria with Love 02:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Intravenous injections

There is no canonical evidence that Andorians cannot have intravenous injections. McCoy happens to be saying that intravenous injection is preferred but intramuscular (note correct spelling) can be used as an Andorian is being injected. There is no reason to assume that because an Andorian is in the background this in any way means anything like Andorians cannot be injected intravenously. - MarkJake (IP User: 68.60.115.166)

Tense

Why is everything in past tense? Andorians still exist. Someone needs to fix it

Virtually all of Memory Alpha is written in the past tense, intentionally. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 02:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

re: Andorian population crisis/mating stuff....

Just a quick question - I've been going back and reading some of the old Pocket Trek books. I noticed in an old one by JM Dillard (Bloodthrist) she makes some reference to problems with Andorian population, reproductive duties, etc. I thought this was interesting in that this was published way before any of the Deep Space Nine relaunch novels, presumably suggesting that there must be earlier references than the DS9 novels which talk about Andorian mating rituals.

I was wondering if anyone knows where this was first mentioned/raised and if so, maybe it'd be a good addition to the article to truly make it complete?

Cheers!

Greetings! Although it would make for an interesting note, Memory Alpha only uses canon references (IE Star Trek television and movie productions), and thus that doesn't include novels. On the other hand, Memory Beta specializes in non-canon references where your idea could be made ;) - V. Adm. Enzo Aquarius 15:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article Status

While the material in this article is top-notch and well-written, I am curious as to the layout of the images. They don't seem to have much of a context given to them in regards to their placement. Since this article has Featured Article status, I wanted to get some permission to move around the images. I want to add this image gallery to the main article to demonstrate the four main placements of antennae:

I would also make the following changes:

Remove the images from the gallery from their original locations.
Move the Andorian Admiral up to the Physiology section.
Move the image of the Andorian god down to the Background section with the ST:V note.
Move the Andorian script image to Society.
Use Image:Shran_and_Archer_fight_the_Ushaan.jpg in Traditions and Culture.

This allows all of the original images to remain on this page while making them more useful to the user.

Do any of these changes have any impact on its status as a Featured Article? Am I free to make these changes if I feel they will benefit the article? Seems as though there was some editing done a couple months ago and it was voted as featured nearly two years ago! --Topher208 11:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I agree, the placement of the images were horrible, more images than space to cram them into. The sections in which they are placed were, I am guessing, to better proportion where they appeared on the page, and in reality, a sidebar should have been been used like the one on the Romulan page-- this is to say, the Andorian Admiral wasn't supposed to be part of the section he was place in, it's just where he was placed to get his image in the right part of the article.

To comment on the intent of the images in the sidebar content, they are theoretically supposed to show the "evolution", or uh, "diversity" of the species over the series'/centuries. What a female looks like, what a male looks like...ect. (Again, it should have looked more like the Romulan page).

Anyway, I've gone ahead and updated the page to give it the proper format the page should have had (more or less using the images you suggested in a sidebar vs. gallery) and modified placement or removed several images as per a few of your suggestions. The only qualm I have is with the use of the Andorian female from TMP...and it's not a big qualm, but I guess the fact that it is a screen test shot and not a "real" screencap, one might question "how" canon it really is. So, with all that said, you really didn't need to ask anyone to do a major overhaul on the page, but it is much appreciated that you brought it up for discussion to facilitate brainstorming the direction of this article. Feel free to expand and you feel the article requires. --Alan 12:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)