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Just wondering where this species' page name came from? (like what script). Or does it belong in "unnamed species"? --LauraCC (talk) 19:37, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

It's highly probably that it's a made up name. There's a bunch of those still around, it just used to be the way things were done in the early days, before unnamed species style lists took off. I've been meaning to make a list and put it up on the forum for merge for years now, but somehow I never get around to it. The whole thing is further complicated by the fact that these kinds of entries are as likely to be put on the page of their Earth counterpart as on the unnamed nonhumanoids page.-- Capricorn (talk) 05:05, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

What does the Star Trek Encyclopedia call it? --LauraCC (talk) 15:55, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

My third edition has no entry under either "Alfa 177 canine" or "Canis Alfa", plus checked under Alpha too just in case. Not sure under what else to look, maybe someone can do some clever search magic on at google books or something, iirc they have the encyclopedia. Also checked worlds of the federation since I happened to have it closeby and it might had have info, but alas it does not include Alfa 117. Best bet for a marginally official name would probably be the Star Trek Concordance - which I sadly don't have. I've just noticed that there's a note on the page saying it didn't get a name in the script. so if it's not in the script or episode, that makes it close to certain that there's no canon name. -- Capricorn (talk) 17:20, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

I've added a rename tag. To what, I don't know. --LauraCC (talk) 19:20, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

A merge into unnamed nonhumanoids, maybe? -- Capricorn (talk) 19:35, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Unnamed non-humanoids (23rd century). I would agree with that. --LauraCC (talk) 19:40, March 8, 2016 (UTC) No objections after over a month. --LauraCC (talk) 16:25, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

I say leave it as it is. If we delete this page, how soon before El-Adrel IV lifeform and Tarchannen III species end up on the chopping block? NetSpiker (talk) 14:12, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps we could give it a section of its own under Canine, in the same manner that unnamed people has a section for unnamed members of unknown species? --LauraCC (talk) 19:28, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

That has been done in the past, just adding what's clearly a pimped up up real animal in the article on the Earth animals (see for examples the Nimbus "Horse"). Personally I dislike that approach bc 1) it requires a judgement call which animal it mostly resembles, and 2) it makes them hard to discover for someone interested in alien animals. -- Capricorn (talk) 12:56, May 17, 2016 (UTC)
At least in this case, the creature's similarity to a dog is clear from the script, which repeatedly calls it a "dog-like" animal. Nonetheless, I support the earlier suggestion of merging this into an unnamed species page. --Defiant (talk) 13:36, May 17, 2016 (UTC)

We could keep the page name "Alfa 177 canine" as a redirect and also list it in unnamed non-humanoids with a "see ____" link. That way it could be found no matter how you searched for it. --LauraCC (talk) 14:52, May 17, 2016 (UTC)

I think pages like "Unnamed non-humanoids (23rd century)" should be reserved for background aliens only. If a species has a major role in an episode, it should have its own page. NetSpiker (talk) 13:18, May 24, 2016 (UTC)

I see your point, Netspiker. Combine that with its appearance as a head on Trelane's wall (and therefore a second appearance as a unique species). But what do you mean by a major role? A character only mentioned in dialog or seen in the background may have a major role as the motivation for a character's decisions (see here for an example).--LauraCC (talk) 18:11, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

A "major role" means that it is seen in an episode and serves as an important part of the plot. The canine being duplicated was how they realized that the transporter was malfunctioning and its death during re-integration raised the possibility that Kirk might die as well. NetSpiker (talk) 13:32, June 16, 2016 (UTC)

Granted. I no longer think this should be moved to unnamed non-humanoids. Are there any other creatures whose pages have a similar problem as this one? --LauraCC (talk) 14:28, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

The symbiotic lifeform comes to mind as another creature that by this logic ought to be split of, unnamed but the whole episode was centered around it. However I'm not in favor of this cherry picking which unnamed creatures should get their own page or not based on prominence, the idea is much more arbitrary then it might look. The argument for keeping this canine where it is while also keeping the inquisitor where he is seems like rationalization of a preexisting preference rather then strong logic to me. But forget the idea of giving unnamed prominent Cardassians their own name, what about unnamed planets who's role was more then being a setting in an episode? There's plenty of those. Or what about unnamed nonhumanoids sister page of unnamed humanoids: do the members of these get pages if they were featured prominently enough? I think what's proposed here will lead to fragmentisation, it being hard to predict where to find an alien. And with little upside, unnamed humanoids is a perfectly good destination for this little critter. -- Capricorn (talk) 22:20, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

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