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== In-universe categories ==
 
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=== Subcats of "Tools" ===
 
[[Culinary tools]], [[engineering tools]], for instance. -- [[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 16:46, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 
:I thought about the same. PLease come up with a full list of sub-category suggestions. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 15:22, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
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Those two above, and [[household tools]] for things like [[Butterfly net]] and [[Eye dropper]]. Culinary has enough of its own to be its own cat. --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 18:37, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::I think that Tom is suggesting that you put together a specific list on your userpage with the tools broken into better subdivisions. -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] ([[User talk:Sulfur|talk]]) 19:31, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 
Here's my page for culinary tools: [[User:LauraCC/Culinary tools]] --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 16:47, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
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[[User:LauraCC/Household and office tools]] [[User:LauraCC/Grooming tools]] --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 17:07, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
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=== Infrastructure ===
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For things like {{dis|bridge|structure}}s, [[roads]], [[manhole]]s, etc. -- [[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 19:13, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
 
:Again, I am not against such a category. Please come up with a full list. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 15:22, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::Two things: first, manhole seems unlike the other two examples. A sewer might be infrastructure, but a manhole is merely an object used in constructing that bit of infrastructure. Calling a manhole infrastructure seems like calling a brick a building. Secondly, I take it that this would be a subcategory of Architecture? Only, Architecture already has a horrible subcategory, [[:Category:Structures‎|Structures]]. Currently it seems pretty arbitrary what was placed where (stable is in architecture, barn in structures :-s) That's bad enough, but it can get worse: your example bridge currently sits in Architecture for example, but it seems like a good example of a structure and I think that would be the case for most infra''structure''. So this added category would not so much give things that don't currently have a good category a home, but it would often increase the number of seemingly correct choices from two to three. I don't really have a solution, but the situation over there is already not great, and I fear this would only make it worse. -- [[User:Capricorn|Capricorn]] ([[User talk:Capricorn|talk]]) 19:57, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
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=== Civilians ===
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For those personnel who live on a ship or station without being said to work on it, such as [[Molly O'Brien]], for instance. Should we distinguish between mere residents and employed crew members? -- [[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 21:22, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:'''Oppose'''. I see no value in creating this category. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 15:22, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
== Production POV categories ==
 
== Production POV categories ==
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:Something we should've had a while ago -- but an optimal solution here would be to break up the company from the product. The company would fall into 'collectible companies', and then have a product page that can be the current 'catalogue' section of each page now fall into the collectibles. -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] ([[User talk:Sulfur|talk]]) 03:47, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
 
:Something we should've had a while ago -- but an optimal solution here would be to break up the company from the product. The company would fall into 'collectible companies', and then have a product page that can be the current 'catalogue' section of each page now fall into the collectibles. -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] ([[User talk:Sulfur|talk]]) 03:47, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
   
I agree. I'm thinking a page for each "product line." For example: [[Johnny Lightning]] could be split to [[Legends of Star Trek (standard releases)]] and [[Legends Of Star Trek (White Lightning releases)]] or just [[Legends of Star Trek (Johnny Lightning)]]. We could also just have a [[Johnny Lightning catalog]] or [[Johnny Lightning merchandise]] page, which would might make more sense for pages like [[Genki Wear]] and [[Kraft]], which don't have "named product lines," or much of a "line" at all. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 04:29, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
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::I agree. I'm thinking a page for each "product line." For example: [[Johnny Lightning]] could be split to [[Legends of Star Trek (standard releases)]] and [[Legends Of Star Trek (White Lightning releases)]] or just [[Legends of Star Trek (Johnny Lightning)]]. We could also just have a [[Johnny Lightning catalog]] or [[Johnny Lightning merchandise]] page, which would might make more sense for pages like [[Genki Wear]] and [[Kraft]], which don't have "named product lines," or much of a "line" at all. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 04:29, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
::'''Support''', though a bit tentatively. While the suggestion ties in nicely with that of publishers and books/magazines, I'm a bit concerned with the split application resulting in a large number of additional "stub" pages the Kraft and Genki examples...I like the second subordinate suggestion, but propose [[Johnny Lightning product lines]] instead "catalog" or "merchandise". To my ears the latter two would sound too much like commercially "peddling" stuff--[[User:Sennim|Sennim]] ([[User talk:Sennim|talk]]) 11:38, February 16, 2015‎ (UTC)
 
::'''Support''', though a bit tentatively. While the suggestion ties in nicely with that of publishers and books/magazines, I'm a bit concerned with the split application resulting in a large number of additional "stub" pages the Kraft and Genki examples...I like the second subordinate suggestion, but propose [[Johnny Lightning product lines]] instead "catalog" or "merchandise". To my ears the latter two would sound too much like commercially "peddling" stuff--[[User:Sennim|Sennim]] ([[User talk:Sennim|talk]]) 11:38, February 16, 2015‎ (UTC)
   
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::'''Support''' - I prefer the "... product lines" suggestion as well. -- [[User:Renegade54|Renegade54]] ([[User talk:Renegade54|talk]]) 19:04, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
===Suicide Category===
 
There are at least four Star Trek actors who committed suicide. A category for these unfortunate events should be added. i created one on my own initiative, however it was immediately deleted and I was directed here. I recommend:
 
   
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=== Photonovel collections ===
"Category:Performer suicides"
 
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For the articles in the categories Photonovels, Novel collections, and Comic collections. Would be subbed in all three categories. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 14:12, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
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:As someone who suggested these should be in their own category 3+ years ago, I'm all for this. -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] ([[User talk:Sulfur|talk]]) 14:15, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
 
::'''Agreed''' -- [[User:Sennim|Sennim]] ([[User talk:Sennim|talk]]) 14:36, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
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::'''Support''' -- [[User:Renegade54|Renegade54]] ([[User talk:Renegade54|talk]]) 19:04, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
   
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=== Transportation staff ===
Thank you. -[[User:Commodore75|Commodore75]] ([[User talk:Commodore75|talk]]) 18:02, October 2, 2015 (UTC)
 
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For articles under [[:Category:Production staff]] that are about people in the Transportation department (as a sub-category, like [[:Category:Camera and electrical department]] or [[:Category:Makeup staff]]). Note that this could be called either '''<nowiki>[[Category:Transportation staff]]</nowiki>''' or '''<nowiki>[[Category:Transportation department]]</nowiki>'''; we seem to have a mix of each type of name. See [[User:Renegade54/Transportation staff]] for a list of potential members of the new category; note that this list is not exhaustive. -- [[User:Renegade54|Renegade54]] ([[User talk:Renegade54|talk]]) 19:04, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
:'''Strong Oppose'''. Not a useful or beneficial grouping of articles. The nature of their deaths is not related to their having appeared in ''Star Trek''. Readers will therefore not be provided with a helpful navigational device with such a collection, which categories are intended to provide. Most importantly, I feel such a category is highly inappropriate. -- [[User:DarkHorizon|Michael Warren]] | [[User talk:DarkHorizon|''Talk'']] 21:39, October 2, 2015 (UTC)
 
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:'''Support'''. I am clearly supportive splitting up the overcrowded "Production staff" category in several more departments but I think you'll handle this soon. ;) Btw, I would favor Category:Transportation department. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 21:45, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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::No matter which name we use, the categories with the other name type should be changed to match. - {{User:Archduk3/Sig/nature}} 14:56, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
   
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=== CBS Digital staff ===
:'''Oppose'''. What DH said. How is this any different than, say, "LGBT performers" or even "Performers who drove Porsches"? Not encyclopedic, fannish, morbid, and not necessary. -- [[User:Renegade54|Renegade54]] ([[User talk:Renegade54|talk]]) 01:36, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 
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[[:Category:CBS Digital staff]] as a sub-category of [[:Category:Special and Visual effects staff]]. There are [[CBS Digital|quite a lot]]. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 23:00, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
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=== Special Features staff ===
:'''Support''': From an academic standpoint, a category like that would be interesting. I read once that something like seven to ten Star Trek actors have committed suicide - I wonder why? Anyway, I think saying its morbid or inappropriate sounds a bit like censorship, but I can understand the feelings. BTW, an LGBT category would be interesting too - are there any openly gay Star Trek actors? On a side note, I once had the privilege of meeting Roger Carmel around 1985 and he was an ''incredibly'' nice man. I was very distressed to hear later that he killed himself only to be relieved after reading here that people today believe he died of a heart attack. -[[User:FleetCaptain|Fleet Captain]] October 2, 2015
 
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[[:Category:Special features staff]] for the people who "only" worked on the special features including the audio commentaries. Best example is [[Roger Lay, Jr.]] who is currently listed in the categories producers and directors but only worked on the special features, not on any ''Star Trek'' series or film. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 09:10, November 27, 2015 (UTC)
 
:'''Oppose'''. Currently actors are not categorized based on the facts of their personnel lives, if you really want to make a major shift in what we do, why on Earth start with something so controversial and privacy-intrusive? Why not at the very least gently test the waters by creating "Category:Deceased performers" (and hey, that one might actually be useful anyway) and see how well that goes. In any case, I think this can only end well as part of a wider effort: if the only way we categorized the private lives of performers would be by if they committed suicide or not, then that would have the unintended effect of being highly stigmatizing. -- [[User:Capricorn|Capricorn]] ([[User talk:Capricorn|talk]]) 07:24, October 3, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
:'''Oppose'''. Per reasons listed above. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 09:40, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
 
   
 
== Maintenance categories ==
 
== Maintenance categories ==
=== Subcategories of Spaceship interiors ===
 
Things like "spaceship bridges" "spaceship engineering sections", etc. --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 16:56, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
 
:While I am not completely a fan of this idea I see the need to break down the [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship interiors)]] otherwise it will get crowded more and more. I am opposing a general breakdown and think that only the main areas need a subcategory, like
 
:* [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship bridge interiors)]]
 
:* [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship sickbay interiors)]]
 
:* [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship engineering interiors)]]
 
:* [[:Category:Memory Alpha images (spaceship quarters interiors)]]
 
 
:Maybe I am missing one or two but I don't think a category for every corner, corridor or section is required. [[User:ThomasHL|Tom]] ([[User talk:ThomasHL|talk]]) 17:46, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah, that was my point. Maybe Recreation interiors for holodeck/rec room or laboratory interiors as well? --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 17:55, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
 
::Note that we don't need to put "spaceship interiors" on every single image that shows a bit of the interior, such as was done on [[:File:Euphoria.jpg]]. It shows no interior of value. That's not the focus of the image. -- [[User:Sulfur|sulfur]] ([[User talk:Sulfur|talk]]) 17:58, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
 
My apologies. Invariably it seems that when I miss one, someone adds it. I just thought it was an aid if someone's looking for pictures from indoors. --[[User:LauraCC|LauraCC]] ([[User talk:LauraCC|talk]]) 18:02, September 30, 2015 (UTC)
 

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In-universe categories

Subcats of "Tools"

Culinary tools, engineering tools, for instance. -- LauraCC (talk) 16:46, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

I thought about the same. PLease come up with a full list of sub-category suggestions. Tom (talk) 15:22, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Those two above, and household tools for things like Butterfly net and Eye dropper. Culinary has enough of its own to be its own cat. --LauraCC (talk) 18:37, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

I think that Tom is suggesting that you put together a specific list on your userpage with the tools broken into better subdivisions. -- sulfur (talk) 19:31, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Here's my page for culinary tools: User:LauraCC/Culinary tools --LauraCC (talk) 16:47, November 26, 2015 (UTC) User:LauraCC/Household and office tools User:LauraCC/Grooming tools --LauraCC (talk) 17:07, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Infrastructure

For things like bridges, roads, manholes, etc. -- LauraCC (talk) 19:13, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Again, I am not against such a category. Please come up with a full list. Tom (talk) 15:22, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
Two things: first, manhole seems unlike the other two examples. A sewer might be infrastructure, but a manhole is merely an object used in constructing that bit of infrastructure. Calling a manhole infrastructure seems like calling a brick a building. Secondly, I take it that this would be a subcategory of Architecture? Only, Architecture already has a horrible subcategory, Structures. Currently it seems pretty arbitrary what was placed where (stable is in architecture, barn in structures :-s) That's bad enough, but it can get worse: your example bridge currently sits in Architecture for example, but it seems like a good example of a structure and I think that would be the case for most infrastructure. So this added category would not so much give things that don't currently have a good category a home, but it would often increase the number of seemingly correct choices from two to three. I don't really have a solution, but the situation over there is already not great, and I fear this would only make it worse. -- Capricorn (talk) 19:57, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Civilians

For those personnel who live on a ship or station without being said to work on it, such as Molly O'Brien, for instance. Should we distinguish between mere residents and employed crew members? -- LauraCC (talk) 21:22, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose. I see no value in creating this category. Tom (talk) 15:22, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Production POV categories

Collectible companies

For pages in both Category:Collectibles and Category:Companies. - Archduk3 00:31, February 15, 2015 (UTC)

Something we should've had a while ago -- but an optimal solution here would be to break up the company from the product. The company would fall into 'collectible companies', and then have a product page that can be the current 'catalogue' section of each page now fall into the collectibles. -- sulfur (talk) 03:47, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
I agree. I'm thinking a page for each "product line." For example: Johnny Lightning could be split to Legends of Star Trek (standard releases) and Legends Of Star Trek (White Lightning releases) or just Legends of Star Trek (Johnny Lightning). We could also just have a Johnny Lightning catalog or Johnny Lightning merchandise page, which would might make more sense for pages like Genki Wear and Kraft, which don't have "named product lines," or much of a "line" at all. - Archduk3 04:29, February 15, 2015 (UTC)
Support, though a bit tentatively. While the suggestion ties in nicely with that of publishers and books/magazines, I'm a bit concerned with the split application resulting in a large number of additional "stub" pages the Kraft and Genki examples...I like the second subordinate suggestion, but propose Johnny Lightning product lines instead "catalog" or "merchandise". To my ears the latter two would sound too much like commercially "peddling" stuff--Sennim (talk) 11:38, February 16, 2015‎ (UTC)
Support - I prefer the "... product lines" suggestion as well. -- Renegade54 (talk) 19:04, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

Photonovel collections

For the articles in the categories Photonovels, Novel collections, and Comic collections. Would be subbed in all three categories. - Archduk3 14:12, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

As someone who suggested these should be in their own category 3+ years ago, I'm all for this. -- sulfur (talk) 14:15, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
Agreed -- Sennim (talk) 14:36, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
Support -- Renegade54 (talk) 19:04, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

Transportation staff

For articles under Category:Production staff that are about people in the Transportation department (as a sub-category, like Category:Camera and electrical department or Category:Makeup staff). Note that this could be called either [[Category:Transportation staff]] or [[Category:Transportation department]]; we seem to have a mix of each type of name. See User:Renegade54/Transportation staff for a list of potential members of the new category; note that this list is not exhaustive. -- Renegade54 (talk) 19:04, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

Support. I am clearly supportive splitting up the overcrowded "Production staff" category in several more departments but I think you'll handle this soon. ;) Btw, I would favor Category:Transportation department. Tom (talk) 21:45, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
No matter which name we use, the categories with the other name type should be changed to match. - Archduk3 14:56, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

CBS Digital staff

Category:CBS Digital staff as a sub-category of Category:Special and Visual effects staff. There are quite a lot. Tom (talk) 23:00, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Special Features staff

Category:Special features staff for the people who "only" worked on the special features including the audio commentaries. Best example is Roger Lay, Jr. who is currently listed in the categories producers and directors but only worked on the special features, not on any Star Trek series or film. Tom (talk) 09:10, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

Maintenance categories